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hifi
Jul 25, 2012


and 1.5MM is way the gently caress off for jumbo. coyotes fans wanted him at 2x10MM or something ridiculous before we had stepan because we had a shipping container of money to spend to hit the cap floor. now we only have like 5MM left to go so who knows

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tofes
Mar 31, 2011

When there's a hole to be filled, I seem to get the call

OldSenileGuy posted:

I can't decide how I'd feel about them signing Joe Thornton to something like 1 year at 2 million or 2 years at 1.5 million. Yeah, he's old as gently caress, but that's Tanner Glass money and he'd still be an upgrade on Tanner Glass.

lol

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!


OldSenileGuy posted:

I can't decide how I'd feel about them signing Joe Thornton to something like 1 year at 2 million or 2 years at 1.5 million. Yeah, he's old as gently caress, but that's Tanner Glass money and he'd still be an upgrade on Tanner Glass.

Are you drunk? Joe Thornton isn't signing for anything remotely close to that price.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


Yeah no thanks. I still have Dan Boyle PTSD.

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007

my name is john carter



i want to live in the unfathomable world where joe thornton takes 1.5m a year on his next deal. maybe after that, i could be brave enough to dip my toes into the world where he decides to do it for the new york rangers

he's still producing at 5v5 like a 2c still and his fancies are as usual real drat good. i hope he does want to ring chase on the cheap, and i hope he signs a two million dollar contract to center the pens third line next year

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007



OldSenileGuy posted:

I can't decide how I'd feel about them signing Joe Thornton to something like 1 year at 2 million or 2 years at 1.5 million. Yeah, he's old as gently caress, but that's Tanner Glass money and he'd still be an upgrade on Tanner Glass.

IDK how I feel about signing a HHOF franchise centre still very capable of playing productive top line minutes for replacement player salary. Is he more valuable than arguably the worst player in the league? Hard to say.

On a similar note I am looking at buying a new car. I am thinking about a 1962 Jaguar E type but I don't know if I want to pay more than $6000 for is. I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade on my 2002 Pontiac Aztec.

ThinkTank fucked around with this message at Jun 25, 2017 around 19:09

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


He's still not worth a 3 year contract which is the rumored ask.

eXXon
Aug 19, 2002



ThinkTank posted:

IDK how I feel about signing a HHOF franchise centre still very capable of playing productive top line minutes for replacement player salary. Is he more valuable than arguably the worst player in the league? Hard to say.

On a similar note I am looking at buying a new car. I am thinking about a 1962 Jaguar E type but I don't know if I want to pay more than $6000 for is. I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade on my 2002 Pontiac Aztec.

How many 2x4s can you fit in an E type?

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Nyc_Tattoo


Thornton and Marleau will sign with the Pens to form their next cup winning 3rd line.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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Jordan7hm posted:

The Penguins trade was bad but he didn't really get traded for a first rounder in the normal sense. He got traded for Sundqvist and the Pens had to drop 20 spots in a draft where they were going off the board anyway to make up the difference in value.

This is pretty much where I'm at with it. If they were going to go way off board with their pick anyways, then moving down is fine. As for Sundqvist, I thought he looked like dog poo poo in his call-ups this year, but I did like the way he played when called up last year. I think there's some potential for him to become a good 4c.

And I will enjoy Reaves smashing Dubinsky and Wilson in the face the moment they look at Crosby the wrong way.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

Let's* go Blackhawks! The Blues and Red Wings suck.

The weird thing about Reaves is that he isn't noticeably bad. You'll definitely notice him charging across the ice to lay a hit and to forecheck well sometimes, but his underlying numbers are terrible. You're not gonna say "GODDAMMIT REAVES" as he turns the puck over often, but that's probably because he rarely has the puck to begin with.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

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Ginette Reno posted:

This is pretty much where I'm at with it. If they were going to go way off board with their pick anyways, then moving down is fine. As for Sundqvist, I thought he looked like dog poo poo in his call-ups this year, but I did like the way he played when called up last year. I think there's some potential for him to become a good 4c.

And I will enjoy Reaves smashing Dubinsky and Wilson in the face the moment they look at Crosby the wrong way.

You don't trade for punchmen, you sign them to a league minimum deal in the offseason.

You sure as poo poo don't trade assets to get one who is, by all accounts, a horrible hockey player. gently caress, you're trading away a young player (even if he is a middling prospect) and dropping 20 spots in the draft and Ryan Reaves is the best guy you can get in return? The trade was stupid, illogical and indefensible on every level and in every conceivable way.

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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grack posted:

You don't trade for punchmen, you sign them to a league minimum deal in the offseason.

You sure as poo poo don't trade assets to get one who is, by all accounts, a horrible hockey player. gently caress, you're trading away a young player (even if he is a middling prospect) and dropping 20 spots in the draft and Ryan Reaves is the best guy you can get in return? The trade was stupid, illogical and indefensible on every level and in every conceivable way.

I'm not defending it as a good move, I'm just saying I'm okay with it. It's not gonna kill the Penguins.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

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Right up until Reaves tries to elbow someone, they duck and he takes Crosby's head clean off instead.

Note: This is much more likely to happen than Reaves contributing in any meaningful way.

Krime
Jul 30, 2003

Somebody has to do the scoring around here.


Mike_V posted:

The weird thing about Reaves is that he isn't noticeably bad. You'll definitely notice him charging across the ice to lay a hit and to forecheck well sometimes, but his underlying numbers are terrible. You're not gonna say "GODDAMMIT REAVES" as he turns the puck over often, but that's probably because he rarely has the puck to begin with.

You just wait until Mike Sullivan gets a hold of him!

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001


Yes I'm sure whatever team signs 38 year old Joe Thornton to a 3 year $14 million dollar deal is going to be thrilled

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

HEY LITTLE SIDNEY WANT TO SEE MY CORSI?


Hip Now and Wow! posted:

Not that specifically, but all the other times where penguin take cheap- shots. The idea is that the threat of a caveman immediately pounding you into the ice is a deterrent to stop you from punching Guentzel in the head 30 seconds after the whistle, or implementing a game plan to run the Pens goalie as often as possible.

This never ever ever ever works

NHL players aren't scared of someone like Reaves exacting retribution for some poo poo, not with the instigator being a thing. The whole deterrence thing is a myth, but players will say "oh but I feel safer" but there is no difference.

Plus most of the shitheads that will really run a guy would then be more than happy to get into a fight afterwards. Their whole existence in the NHL is to not be afraid of fighting other guys like them

hifi posted:

this was sort of my thought. why was everyone in such a rush to trade stepan

His contract and cap space and he has a NMC that kicks in July 1st

Also speculation they're a little worried his game is starting to decline.

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007

my name is john carter



OldSenileGuy posted:

Yes I'm sure whatever team signs 38 year old Joe Thornton to a 3 year $14 million dollar deal is going to be thrilled

for 2 years of it, yeah.

tofes
Mar 31, 2011

When there's a hole to be filled, I seem to get the call

OldSenileGuy posted:

Yes I'm sure whatever team signs 38 year old Joe Thornton to a 3 year $14 million dollar deal is going to be thrilled

Sounds pretty reasonable for a guy who's gonna put up at least 50 pts against tough competition

violent sex idiot
Mar 24, 2007

O Muhammad, I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight


Pillbug

didnt thornton lose like his entire right knee?

fits
Jan 1, 2008

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Dec 17, 2008


Aye Doc posted:

i want to live in the unfathomable world where joe thornton takes 1.5m a year on his next deal. maybe after that, i could be brave enough to dip my toes into the world where he decides to do it for the new york rangers

he's still producing at 5v5 like a 2c still and his fancies are as usual real drat good. i hope he does want to ring chase on the cheap, and i hope he signs a two million dollar contract to center the pens third line next year

same. depending on what kind of contracts they sign their RFAs to and how much they cheap out on other depth positions the pens might not even need him to take a discount, what with having $19 million in cap space. schultz, dumoulin, and sheary will probably suck up half of that, give or take, and then after that they've basically only need bottom pairing defensemen and bottom six centers

hifi
Jul 25, 2012


Levitate posted:

His contract and cap space and he has a NMC that kicks in July 1st

Also speculation they're a little worried his game is starting to decline.

Yeah those all make sense, but I thought they'd be going for it instead of trying to pull off the magic trade all your decent secondary pieces away and continue to get better move like the hawks have only been able to do so far

grack
Jan 10, 2012

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OldSenileGuy posted:

Yes I'm sure whatever team signs 38 year old Joe Thornton to a 3 year $14 million dollar deal is going to be thrilled

More realistic than him signing with a non-contender like the Rangers for 2M/year.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

JEG VILLE KLEMME DEG


hifi posted:

Yeah those all make sense, but I thought they'd be going for it instead of trying to pull off the magic trade all your decent secondary pieces away and continue to get better move like the hawks have only been able to do so far

I think at this point the go for it stuff already happened the last 4 years of trading away 1sts and 2nds like they're candy in order to get Hank his cup. I think Torton sees the writing on the wall and tbh, if Hank doesn't like it, he can kick rocks.

LumpyGumby
Feb 22, 2012

What, Me, Corsi?



So who scored four goals?

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001


grack posted:

More realistic than him signing with a non-contender like the Rangers for 2M/year.

I don't dispute this. At this point Thornton's in the "sign cheap with a contender to try to win a Cup" phase of his career. If the Rangers can convince him that they're still contenders (doubtful unless there's a lot of moves coming), I'd love to have him short term at that price.

Oswald Kesselpot
Jan 14, 2008

HONK HONK HONK


Levitate posted:

This never ever ever ever works

NHL players aren't scared of someone like Reaves exacting retribution for some poo poo, not with the instigator being a thing. The whole deterrence thing is a myth, but players will say "oh but I feel safer" but there is no difference.

Plus most of the shitheads that will really run a guy would then be more than happy to get into a fight afterwards. Their whole existence in the NHL is to not be afraid of fighting other guys like them
Hey I think it's pretty obvious if our punchmans had fought nashvilles punchmans after Subban cheap shoted Crosby in the jaw, that would have solved everything, and PK would have definitely learned his lesson.

TBH I agree that enforcers are pretty much there for show. I'm more worried about speed than if a 4th line winger that plays 8 minutes is going to have any impact because he hits hard or not, and from what I have read, Reaves is not exactly known for his skating prowess.

I suppose it's possible that he could legitimately be a 4th liner, one that just happens to also fight. Considering his stats from last year, it certainly seems that may possibly. Be what he is shooting for.

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006



It's nice that ESPN is finally moving away from physical prime athletes and including some gross ones.

HookShot
Dec 26, 2005



Burn's rear end is so loving pale lol

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Zo Cubs Zo!



Oh hawks

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together

yall are really concerned about who is going to play 4th line for a team whose biggest obstacle to a 3rd straight Stanley Cup is fatigue

Ginette Reno
Nov 18, 2006

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ElwoodCuse posted:

yall are really concerned about who is going to play 4th line for a team whose biggest obstacle to a 3rd straight Stanley Cup is fatigue

Crosby's arms are tired from lifting the cup so much

Oswald Kesselpot
Jan 14, 2008

HONK HONK HONK


Ginette Reno posted:

Crosby's arms are tired from lifting the cup so much

It's hard work lugging that thing around rite aid and diners all day.

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



People are mad that Penguins fans aren't mad enough.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008


please let some team do something so i can stop hearing about ryan reaves

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause


let me tell you about teams that win stanley cups then make monumentally stupid personnel decisions

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011


who''s hyped for the FREE AGENT FRENZY

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hifi
Jul 25, 2012


https://twitter.com/Bob_Stauffer/st...103616061132800

Sounds like a good combination with chakra

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