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The American Dream
Mar 1, 2007
Don't Forget My Balls

hawowanlawow posted:

haha

I went to check out the newest nerd-store in my burb a couple weeks after it opened, and there was basically no merchandise. A few glass cases with maybe two dozen knives on sale, and some picnic tables in the back with some nerds playing MtG. Some dude basically got a loan to open up a clubhouse when he could have just kept using his garage.

There's a place like this a couple miles away from me. It's on an old industrial street at the border of a residential neighborhood. You'd never know it existed except there's a big magic banner and an open sign on the door.

They have like 3 glass cases with cards and binders in the back they'll get for you. I'm pretty sure most of their sales are on eBay or TCG player. They have a decent playing space that can fit probably 20 people.

But they'll sell the cards for mid on tcg player so I cant complain.

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Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

food court bailiff posted:

e: don't recommend a game with Sex Moves to people new to tabletop games though, come on

That reminds me, recently I heard about a new boardgame getting rave reviews, Kingdom Death: Monster. It's supposed to be really good mechanically, with a variable story where the players are in charge of building a settlement and try to have it survive and improve by going on dangerous monster hunts. Except then I actually googled it, and the miniatures look like :nws:this:nws:, the official artwork that pops up on google image search looks like :nws:this:nws:, and even their homepage shows you :nws:this:nws: as the very first thing you see. So thank you, gross-rear end nerds, for turning a potentially fun game into something that you'll never want to recommend to your regular friends.

Sic Semper Goon
Mar 1, 2015

Eu tu?

:zaurg:

Switchblade Switcharoo

Perestroika posted:

That reminds me, recently I heard about a new boardgame getting rave reviews, Kingdom Death: Monster. It's supposed to be really good mechanically, with a variable story where the players are in charge of building a settlement and try to have it survive and improve by going on dangerous monster hunts. Except then I actually googled it, and the miniatures look like :nws:this:nws:, the official artwork that pops up on google image search looks like :nws:this:nws:, and even their homepage shows you :nws:this:nws: as the very first thing you see. So thank you, gross-rear end nerds, for turning a potentially fun game into something that you'll never want to recommend to your regular friends.

You're welcome.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


RagnarokAngel posted:

To be fair it kinda is. I say this as a weekly dnd player in my late 20s, too. You have to find that balance of nerdy but not socially loving weird. Its not easy.
There are games where you can go from "never heard of it" to having fun within half an hour though, and if they were as well-known as D&D, more people would play them. D&D being the only RPG most people have heard of, and D&D itself being so expensive, inconvenient, and complex is the reason the genre isn't more popular.

The weird thing about it is the way the companies that make these games don't seem to be at all interested in expanding their markets. You don't even see ads for these games outside of the specialised shops that sell them, which you only go to if you already know about and want to play them.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Perestroika posted:

That reminds me, recently I heard about a new boardgame getting rave reviews, Kingdom Death: Monster. It's supposed to be really good mechanically, with a variable story where the players are in charge of building a settlement and try to have it survive and improve by going on dangerous monster hunts. Except then I actually googled it, and the miniatures look like :nws:this:nws:, the official artwork that pops up on google image search looks like :nws:this:nws:, and even their homepage shows you :nws:this:nws: as the very first thing you see. So thank you, gross-rear end nerds, for turning a potentially fun game into something that you'll never want to recommend to your regular friends.

You didn't even post the dick tail lion or the dick tentacle pregnant lady raper monster.

Red Baron
Mar 9, 2007

ty slumfrog :)
lol D&D is nowhere near as expensive as Magic or Warhammer 40k.

If you have a decent one-shot, premade characters, and half an imagination D&D is the cheapest and most enjoyable game we have.

edit: if you make D&D complex for new players you have a poo poo DM. It absolutely is not like that unless you make it like that.

Red Baron has a new favorite as of 09:01 on Jul 7, 2017

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire
His point is that dnd isnt expensive, but more mechanics heavy than some of its contemporaries.

Hes not wrong. Definitely not the most obtuse tabletop game but theres easier variants out there. But dnd has name recongition so its what many will play first.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


In my experience the biggest problem with getting any sort of role playing game going and having a good group is that you can play dnd (and any other system) in like 5 different ways at least. With different focus on what is important and what everybody should do to be playing 'correctly'. Worst of all these ways are completely incompatible with each other so you need a group that is almost entirely homogeneous for people to have actual fun. I've never had real fun where half the table is just there to drink and roll dice and make dirty jokes and the other half actually put thought into their characters and is looking to tell a story. Neither one of these gamestyles is wrong, but they're oil and water and finding 5 good/cool people who also play the same way you do is hard.

I only have one weird nerd store story. I wanted to pick up some games for a party that was coming up. I didn't have anything in mind I was just going to pop into the store and buy whatever was there. I tried to go to this little hole in the wall store that was 5 minutes from my house instead of this larger store that was halfway across town. It was not a real store.

It had a sign like a store, and a store front, and little posters/papers on the walls talking about when the next games were coming up and things. Yet it had exactly 3 products on the shelf. I don't mean like 'just warham product line'. I mean 3 things. Like, a single magic booster pack and two random miniatures and all other shelving in the store was covered with random game debris. Character sheets, loose dice, stuff like that. There was nobody behind the register but there were 3 people sitting in a small gaming area playing something I didn't recognize. I took a minute to look around while they all stared at me in complete silence, then I left.

I think it was literally a storefront that some group of friends used as a clubhouse. It was madness.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Red Baron posted:

lol D&D is nowhere near as expensive as Magic or Warhammer 40k.
If you're talking over the entire period of your life that you play, sure. But if you're talking "this game looks interesting, we should give it a shot", you can just buy a prebuilt Magic deck and play, but with D&D you need two different - expensive - books (plus the weird dice). It's off-putting. You're probably right about Warhammer though. I've never played it because it always looked way, way too expensive and complicated (even when I was happily spending money on MtG).

Red Baron posted:

If you have a decent one-shot, premade characters, and half an imagination D&D is the cheapest and most enjoyable game we have.
What about Dungeon World? It's literally free (except for the dice) and way less complicated. And that's just the first example I thought of, there are tons of RPGs out there that are easier to get into than D&D, have more interesting settings, and cost less. But most people have never heard of them.

Red Baron posted:

edit: if you make D&D complex for new players you have a poo poo DM. It absolutely is not like that unless you make it like that.
If you're all new players, how are you supposed to know that? The rules, as written, are complex and confusing.

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


I'm not sure it's possible to DM dnd as a new player. I don't think there is a particular problem with that, roleplaying games of the sort are best experienced through friends teaching friends.

There are other systems (Og is my go-to party game) that you can absolutely learn and DM in 5 minutes if you can improv well enough, but I don't think that should be a high point of a system either.

DM's are really intended to be masters of a given set of rules, at least to a point, claiming a game is bad because you can't DM it with no experience is rather odd.

On the other hand with a good DM you could absolutely play as a player in DnD with very little explanation. Much of the 'playing' in DnD doesn't have any sort of rules/knowledge requried at all.

Cumslut1895
Feb 18, 2015

by FactsAreUseless
dnd is trash, there are many better games















(play Delta Green)

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Agent355 posted:

claiming a game is bad because you can't DM it with no experience is rather odd.
I'm not saying it's a bad game, I'm saying that it's bad that it's the flagship of the entire genre. Because there are other games that are way easier to get into and are more likely to appeal to new players.

(Although I also think D&D is not a great game and if it didn't have so much brand recognition then no one would play it. Like, if you dumped every RPG into a universe in which no RPGs existed and people tried them out and sorted the good from the bad, I don't think D&D would make the cut.)

FluxFaun
Apr 7, 2010


as someone who plays DnD... completely agree. I wish my friends were up for systems other than DnD but they're a bunch of nerds afraid of change. I like playing other systems. :(

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


I'm the hardcore roleplay nerd of the group. All systems are basically the same to me because the reason I'm there to play is to basically improv a story with a group not roll dice. I think DnD serves that purpose as good as I need it to though I have issues with the class balance in 5e. The only compelling reason I have to change systems is to change genre/fantasy setting and I could play with the same group for years and not feel I'd explored all the stories I could in just normal DnD so it's not a very compelling reason.

Nerd store content:

I hate going into nerd stores because I feel there is always one or two guys in there who just seem desperate to interact with a human who shares their interests. They're painfully bad at it and it constantly irritates and drives away everybody around them, but the only reason they're even trying is because they so desperately want to have that social contact with others.

Sorry stinky BO nerd, you arguing with a 5 year old over the best warham army isn't a good way to get the social interaction that, deep down, you crave. I hope one day you figure it out :(

FluxFaun
Apr 7, 2010


See also: nerds that are set on their interested being the ONLY TRUE INTERESTS that they belittle or pick fights with people who don't like their interests in the precise way they like them.

bruh we're all fuckin nerds in here just chill

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Perestroika posted:

That reminds me, recently I heard about a new boardgame getting rave reviews, Kingdom Death: Monster. It's supposed to be really good mechanically, with a variable story where the players are in charge of building a settlement and try to have it survive and improve by going on dangerous monster hunts. Except then I actually googled it, and the miniatures look like :nws:this:nws:, the official artwork that pops up on google image search looks like :nws:this:nws:, and even their homepage shows you :nws:this:nws: as the very first thing you see. So thank you, gross-rear end nerds, for turning a potentially fun game into something that you'll never want to recommend to your regular friends.

Well that was an .... interesting ... google image search experience :stare:

Drunken Baker
Feb 3, 2015

VODKA STYLE DRINK
Not so much a bad nerd store experience, but I just want to lament the death of the comic shop in my town. I've not bought comics in about ten years now, but for old times sake I popped in there and... It's just wall to wall funkopop boxes with a huge range of manga and weird dolls and the comic section of the comic shop is now stuffed right at the back and consists of 3 walls.

RIP comics.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Well that was an .... interesting ... google image search experience :stare:



So this game is for a bunch of nerds to all whack it to hentai together

why not just crowd around a screen and jerk it to hentai there instead of buying a board game

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Slime posted:

So this game is for a bunch of nerds to all whack it to hentai together

why not just crowd around a screen and jerk it to hentai there instead of buying a board game

The Bad Guys Win (hilarious site) did a feature about the ridiculousness of that game :nws: http://www.thebadguyswin.com/2017/02/the-horny-horror-artwork-and-miniatures-of-kingdom-death/

They were rightfully horrified

Hyrax Attack! has a new favorite as of 14:29 on Jul 7, 2017

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Hyrax Attack! posted:

The Bad Guys Win (hilarious site) did a feature about the ridiculousness of that game :nws: http://www.thebadguyswin.com/2017/02/the-horny-horror-artwork-and-miniatures-of-kingdom-death/

They were rightfully horrified

Holy poo poo, that picture with the various items: :nws: https://i.imgur.com/8g1CsRR.jpg

Some tidbits:

That loving game posted:

Twilight Thong
Its fabric responds to you, stress causes INTENSE constriction. Do not suffer brain traumas (ignore this if you have destroyed genitalia)

Nightmare Breast Pump
The pump's tips mimic a baby's cries, stimulating your milk glands. As a returning survivor, gain +1 to your intimacy rolls this settlement phase.

I'd kind of assumed that the game was mostly just throwing tits everywhere as a cheap marketing gimmick, but this seems to be veering into full-on FATAL territory.

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Genital status: destroyed

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
Another reason I love and play D&D 4e. Because the people who like that poo poo really hated 4e.

Drunk Nerds
Jan 25, 2011

Just close your eyes
Fun Shoe

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I had a similar experience, except the end result was me and my friend buying a few cards to get on the dude's good side, then going to his lovely store and fleecing him for hundreds of shoplifted cards over high school.

The current owners sell university gear to frat guys. RIP in peace local nerd store.

That's too bad. If only there was something you could have done to help keep the nerd store in business

Drunk Nerds has a new favorite as of 15:09 on Jul 7, 2017

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Perestroika posted:

Holy poo poo, that picture with the various items: :nws: https://i.imgur.com/8g1CsRR.jpg

Some tidbits:


I'd kind of assumed that the game was mostly just throwing tits everywhere as a cheap marketing gimmick, but this seems to be veering into full-on FATAL territory.

Newborn
While you have this, all your weapons gain slow.
When you return to the settlement, archive this and gain +1 population.

and people apparently like this? JUST WANK TO PORN IDIOTS IT'S CHEAPER AND YOU CAN DO IT IN PRIVATE

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Aramek posted:

Another reason I love and play D&D 4e. Because the people who like that poo poo really hated 4e.
I played 4th Edition once. It seemed like a massive improvement.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

Wow, going through these stories my own nerd shop experiences were tame. Some memories:

-In early high school friends and I were casual MtG fans and liked to put together drafts from a giant box of commons/uncommons. We bought a box of boosters (I think Tempest?) and drafted those for a fine time, so hey, why not sign up for an organized draft at a game store?

We went to a place in downtown Seattle that I had never been before, and it was not a pleasant experience. The crowd was much older than us and while some were ok, most were dead serious about the game and awkward to play with. I had been sheltered in my game crowd, and was confused about why people were angry about this fun card game.

-I attended a weekly board game event at a local store. Overall a great experience as the owners were nice and the crowd was good, and I learned about tons of games I had never heard of. Great for finding out about 7 Wonders, Airlines Europe, or Roads of Rome that could be played in 2 hours or so. Then I was invited to a Saturday session for something called Twilight Imperium.

At about the six hour mark I learned that yes, I did have an upper limit for board games. I think we had six people, and I didn't even roll dice until the two hour mark. The crowd was ok, but it was irritating that one guy who was an expert was more interested in power gaming rather than helping newbies understand the rules. Good for him to build an invincible fleet, but not fun for those of us trying to figure out ship movement. It didn't help that I unknowingly picked one of the complicated races.

Stoatbringer
Sep 15, 2004

naw, you love it you little ho-bot :roboluv:

A long time ago I briefly played a game called, I think, Runequest, but it was a huge pain and took forever to do anything. As I remember, all your armour and weapons had their own hit points that you had to keep track of. So during a battle you had to roll to see whereabouts on the body you hit, roll against the AC of the leg armour or whatever, and take the hit points off that, and it just seemed never-ending and tedious. After that, anything where it was just "You rolled a six. The goblin is dead." seemed like heaven.

FluxFaun
Apr 7, 2010


Aramek posted:

Another reason I love and play D&D 4e. Because the people who like that poo poo really hated 4e.

I miss playing 4e. All of my friends loving love Pathfinder for some reason. I'd love to try 5e but they won't even spare it a passing glance.

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!
5e got rid of a lot of the bullshit from 3. It just also got rid of everything I loved about 4. It also brought back stuff I was glad 4 got rid of.

Basically, it feels like 5e attempted to get the grogs to come back, but the grogs were gonna stay with Pathfinder anyway. That said, 5 is probably the best version of it so far for a new person to jump into, it's pretty slick compared to 3.

E: I guess for content the only horrific game store story I have is the one time I made the mistake of entering one during a Yu-Gi-Oh tournament. 100x worse smell than Magic. It was literal dog poo poo. Magic players looked like loving Rockefellers in comparison.

Aramek has a new favorite as of 18:39 on Jul 7, 2017

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Sociopastry posted:

I miss playing 4e. All of my friends loving love Pathfinder for some reason. I'd love to try 5e but they won't even spare it a passing glance.

Once you fall down the pathfinder hole, you can't escape :(

Voyager I
Jun 29, 2012

This is how your posting feels.
🐥🐥🐥🐥🐥
My LGS is pretty good so I don't have any real horror stories, but I do want to chime in and say how uncomfortable it makes me watching Tiggum have reasonable, informed opinions on things.

Aramek
Dec 22, 2007

Cutest tumor in all of Oncology!

Voyager I posted:

My LGS is pretty good so I don't have any real horror stories, but I do want to chime in and say how uncomfortable it makes me watching Tiggum have reasonable, informed opinions on things.

How do you think I felt? I'm the one he grabbed. But he's right.

Throb Robinson
Feb 8, 2010

He would enjoy administering the single antidote to Leia. He would enjoy it very much indeed..

Antivehicular posted:

Was this at Dragon's Lair? I've never noticed a nerd-stink problem in there, but I've also never gone to an organized-play event, just done regular nerd shopping. Their old location was small enough that I imagine a decent-sized group of nerds with indifferent hygiene could stank that place up, though.

Its Dragon's lair. Its a great place to go during regular business hours, amazing store. But when you jam 200 people in there its hot as gently caress and rank. You can see the windows steamed up before you enter.

DJ Fuckboy Supreme
Feb 10, 2011

And when you stare long into the abyss, you become aggressively, terminally chill

Years ago when I tried to get back into mtg in a new city I stopped into the lgs for their weekly magic night. It was a draft tourney and I had knowledge of the basic rules so I thought what the heck, I'll give it a shot.

Turns out the game had changed a lot in a decade and I was out of my league. My first opponent was a dude many years older than myself who wouldn't look directly at me and had gnarly long fingernails. I had made a poor play and asked if he'd give a newbie a break, to which he gave an exasperated "the card's on the table!"

He quickly won the next round and I never went back to draft nights. Met a couple decent people at the store's drop in night and played casually for a few months afterwards, but fell out of the game pretty quick.

The winner's pot for that draft was like five boosters, and that dude's attitude soured me on the game I guess.

FluxFaun
Apr 7, 2010


Yup. I can't get into magic precisely for that reason. I tried getting into it but dealing with the constant assholes that either get angry at me for needing a moment to think about things (because I'm a new player FFS) or else gross grognards that stared at my chest the entire time, I decided that it just wasn't for me.

The American Dream
Mar 1, 2007
Don't Forget My Balls
If you have any interest in playing magic as an adult just find a handful of nerdy friends that like to drink and play commander with them.

It's a 100 card deck that's very casual and all cards are 1 of. It's really easy to make a focused deck for between $50 and $100. You can build a deck around a $2-$10 commander (a legend) with 99 cards worth between $.10 and $2.

It's a lot of fun being able to use giant creatures that cost 6-8 mana but are only worth $1 because they're basically unplayable in regular magic. Most commons and in commons are worth less then $.50 because they've all been printed a dozen times and have millions gathering dust in people's collections.

FluxFaun
Apr 7, 2010


Yeah, I like commander more than regular magic. I also went to a draft once that was pretty fun, probably because it was mostly new players like me and we were all just bullshitting and figuring out how to play.

The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

Cakefarts Carol posted:

Years ago when I tried to get back into mtg in a new city I stopped into the lgs for their weekly magic night. It was a draft tourney and I had knowledge of the basic rules so I thought what the heck, I'll give it a shot.

Turns out the game had changed a lot in a decade and I was out of my league. My first opponent was a dude many years older than myself who wouldn't look directly at me and had gnarly long fingernails. I had made a poor play and asked if he'd give a newbie a break, to which he gave an exasperated "the card's on the table!"

He quickly won the next round and I never went back to draft nights. Met a couple decent people at the store's drop in night and played casually for a few months afterwards, but fell out of the game pretty quick.

The winner's pot for that draft was like five boosters, and that dude's attitude soured me on the game I guess.

Honestly, I think "no take backs" is a pretty reasonable rule for organized competitive play, unless the tournament was advertised as newbie-friendly or something.

Of course I'm kind of in the same boat. My one experience playing organized Magic was pretty lovely and turned me off of the game. I didn't expect to win, but it's kind of hosed up just how gleeful someone in their mid 30s can be about beating an 11 year old. Trading all of my sweet 1st edition foil pokeymen for Mercadian Masques boosters was also a bitter pill :v:

Agent355
Jul 26, 2011


I don't play magic but I'd definitely not allow you to take back more often than not. Of course I'd be nicer about it and feel guilty for doing so but rules are important!

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Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

The American Dream posted:

If you have any interest in playing magic as an adult just find a handful of nerdy friends that like to drink and play commander with them.

It's a 100 card deck that's very casual and all cards are 1 of. It's really easy to make a focused deck for between $50 and $100. You can build a deck around a $2-$10 commander (a legend) with 99 cards worth between $.10 and $2.

It's a lot of fun being able to use giant creatures that cost 6-8 mana but are only worth $1 because they're basically unplayable in regular magic. Most commons and in commons are worth less then $.50 because they've all been printed a dozen times and have millions gathering dust in people's collections.

Yeah, at this point whenever we feel a hankering for some Magic we just pitch together, buy one of those massive displays with ~500 cards in them (works out to ~20$ a person), and just have a pseudo-draft tournament amongst ourselves. It's a fun way to get acquaintanced with whatever gimmick a new edition has going on and try out a bunch of decks without having to feel pressured about being particularly optimised.

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