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baka kaba posted:Are you arguing that remaining in the EU prevents nationalisation or not? I'm honestly having trouble following this debate The truth is that successive Tory and Labour governments have used the EU as an excuse for why they can't do nice things. Meanwhile in reality half the EU does these nice things.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:haha political violence lol kek Is a good thing to do when airplanes fail us.
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marktheando posted:You can shut up as well, your party has to take a good share of the Brexit blame for putting Cameron in Downing Street in the first place. 
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marktheando posted:I'll be really upset if we get a deal that involves no free movement. It breaks my heart to see my EU national friends being told to gently caress off by the people of their adopted nation. I feel bad for your friends but I also feel bad for the unemployed and those on zero hour contracts who cant find decent employment or are abused by employers knowing they can just sack them and hire a Eastern European who will do the work for cheaper and will take the blatant abuse. Mass immigration screws the Working Class by making them more disposable
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I feel bad for your friends but I also feel bad for the unemployed and those on zero hour contracts who cant find decent employment or are abused by employers knowing they can just sack them and hire a Eastern European who will do the work for cheaper and will take the blatant abuse. No, government willingness to allow immigrants to become an exploited underclass does that, not the fact that immigrants exist.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I feel bad for your friends but I also feel bad for the unemployed and those on zero hour contracts who cant find decent employment or are abused by employers knowing they can just sack them and hire a Eastern European who will do the work for cheaper and will take the blatant abuse. No, capitalism screws them over, not immigration.
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OwlFancier posted:No, government willingness to allow immigrants to become an exploited underclass does that, not the fact that immigrants exist. God, I wish I could get any of our own thumbpeople to understand this.
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Rygar201 posted:God, I wish I could get any of our own thumbpeople to understand this. The problem is that people see the symptom of the illness and not the cause of the illness
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:The problem is that people see the symptom of the illness and not the cause of the illness Including you, you idiot.
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OwlFancier posted:Including you, you idiot. Please dont use ableist language
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Please dont use ableist language You are the symptom.
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Well, idiot in its original meaning describes somebody disengaged from politics and public life, and to be fair I think it applies.
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In Blackpool for instance Hotels are willing to take on immigrants as they can pay them under the table and for less than minimum wage.
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marktheando posted:The truth is that successive Tory and Labour governments have used the EU as an excuse for why they can't do nice things. See also: Miliband's infamous "controls on immigration", which are basically what Germany does.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:In Blackpool for instance Hotels are willing to take on immigrants as they can pay them under the table and for less than minimum wage. Why do you think they can do that?
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TomViolence posted:Well, idiot in its original meaning describes somebody disengaged from politics and public life, and to be fair I think it applies. Just because I sit inside my house watching Twin Peaks and animes all day while arguing with Marxists on a dead gay forum doesn't make me a idiot 
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oh hey a new poll https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/881202621004083202 Opinium's last poll (before the election) had Con 43, Lab 36, LD 8, UKIP 5. Don't know yet if they've changed their methodology since the election though. Lib Dems' strategy clearly cutting through though
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Ah, beaten to the poll. Still, nice looking numbers. Though the more these polls keep happening the less chance that the government will collapse. It's the horrid situation of Jeremy Corbyn & Labour doing well being bad for Jeremy Corbyn's chances of becoming PM before 2017 is done.
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OwlFancier posted:Why do you think they can do that? Because the Hoteliers are crooked and people turn a blind eye to it The same with the nightclubs and the resulting alcoholic and drug culture surrounding it
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^^^ Imagine if the law were enforced to prevent such things  or if immigrants were banned and the welfare state were cut so Brits were forced into the same situation, surely they wouldn't be exploited in the same way marktheando posted:The truth is that successive Tory and Labour governments have used the EU as an excuse for why they can't do nice things. Right so what's the problem with Labour supporting nationalisation and remaining in the EU
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Because the Hoteliers are crooked and people turn a blind eye to it  The what now?
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baka kaba posted:Right so what's the problem with Labour supporting nationalisation and remaining in the EU Well I don't think they would like us going full soviet, but loads of EU countries have more nationalised things than us. Lots of things that were privatised in the U.K. were sold to state owned EU companies!
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Sorry Blackpool has a big club scene which attracts the attention of big time drug dealers selling coke and mollys to tourists which creates alot of trouble in the town but the council never intervenes because of the money it brings into Blackpool
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Sorry They should legalise drug use (& possession & sale) to deal with the problem of illegal drug dealers.
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I don't really see why everyone's relitigating brexit just now, we all know it's a bad idea but we're still locked into it. It's a fait accompli. Instead of trying to revert things to the pre-brexit status quo we should maybe instead be thinking about how we're gonna deal with the inevitable crisis it produces at the other end of the process. You know, rather than trying to will a broken bone to mend, we should think about what we can use to make a splint.
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eh this one's bad tho https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/881204833314799616
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waffle posted:eh this one's bad tho 4% fall, 2% gain seems... odd.
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TomViolence posted:I don't really see why everyone's relitigating brexit just now, we all know it's a bad idea but we're still locked into it. It's a fait accompli. Instead of trying to revert things to the pre-brexit status quo we should maybe instead be thinking about how we're gonna deal with the inevitable crisis it produces at the other end of the process. You know, rather than trying to will a broken bone to mend, we should think about what we can use to make a splint. Neither Labour or the Tories are going to risk alienating brexiteers by saying Brexit will be anything other than a wonderful opportunity. So there won't be any kind of plan to deal with the negative consequences, no money set aside, nothing.
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Miftan posted:Also if you're in Blackpool in the first place you've made some bad choices. I was born in this dump
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I'd bet this entire thread would be
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I was born in this dump That's rough, mate. I was born in Israel though, so it just goes to show you that if you try hard enough, believe in yourself, and have rich parents, you too can move to London one day.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I was born in this dump There's your problem
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:In Blackpool for instance Hotels are willing to take on immigrants as they can pay them under the table and for less than minimum wage. If only there were some kind of body that deals with this, you could report your "legitimate" "concerns" to them.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:I was born in this dump
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marktheando posted:Neither Labour or the Tories are going to risk alienating brexiteers by saying Brexit will be anything other than a wonderful opportunity. So there won't be any kind of plan to deal with the negative consequences, no money set aside, nothing. There is a degree of difference between the two parties' attitudes to brexit and their negotiating positions, however, and I consider labour's position to be far more measured and nuanced and to be prioritising the right things - that is, jobs, rights for EU citizens already here and a deliberate ambiguity around immigration that suggests to me a much softer immigration policy than the red meat the tories are throwing.
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TomViolence posted:There is a degree of difference between the two parties' attitudes to brexit and their negotiating positions, however, and I consider labour's position to be far more measured and nuanced and to be prioritising the right things - that is, jobs, rights for EU citizens already here and a deliberate ambiguity around immigration that suggests to me a much softer immigration policy than the red meat the tories are throwing. "Freedom of movement will end" seems very unambiguous to me. But yes it is a bit better than the staggeringly evil Tory position. Such high praise.
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OwlFancier posted:4% fall, 2% gain seems... odd. SNP and Plaid could add up to a 2% gain. People voting Green need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. loving muppets.
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"Soft Brexit" is the worst position because what are you asking for if not "oh, I want it to be exactly like it was before, only with less foreign people"? e - Alternately, you're being sold a line by political opportunists who know you want things to be exactly like they were before, except they won't. The EU is a package, not a pick and mix. We voted to leave, Labour are offering the realistic but humane position. number one pta fan fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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