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at the date posted:Why are we running in circles when we could just post the definition of blackmail: oh jeez it wasn't criminal so it must have been a-ok.
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Fister Roboto posted:At the very worst, the only bad thing CNN did was mention that they have the right to publish his info if he goes back to being racist. That was a stupid thing to print, but it's not blackmail, even if it kind of sounds like it is. No, but the actual demand is kind of irrelevant. "Don't vote a misogynistic racist Z-grade celebrity into the WH" isn't that extraordinary, either. It's a dangerous game to play, even if this one particular guy deserves all the poo poo he can get. I don't want CNN making that decision. E: V Agreed. That one line is just kind of a dark cloud over the whole thing.
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I think the middle ground is that CNN should've just worded it in the article like "CNN has chosen not the publish the person's information." Still can be problematic, but removes a bit of that possible blackmail stink. A longer statement probably made it worse.
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Look at it this way. They have a story now. He apologised and they didn't identify him. If he starts again then they have a new story about him. One that includes identifying him. There's nothing stopping a newspaper identifying the subject of their story. His choice isn't to change his beliefs or not, it's whether he wants to become a public figure with those beliefs or not. Does he have a right to anonymity?
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TBeats posted:Read the statement that CNN released where they said he had to act a certain way or they reserve the right to release his public information. I read the statement. CNN had three options, all of which were ethical: 1. Don't run the story at all. 2. Run the story with all the information at their disposal, including the apology. 3. Run the story as they did—that is, addressing the content of the posts but without naming the guy. There are drawbacks to all three options. If (1.), then the story is limited to Donald Trump being a clown, and the focus remains on his juvenile antics rather than the toxic underculture that made him president and continues to prop him up. If (2.), then the public gets the whole story, and we more directly address America's problem with white supremacy by confronting a real live racist. But CNN risks garnering sympathy for a Nazi shithead because of the huge power disparity between a national news organization and a lone redditor. If (3.), then we get all the major benefits of (2.) while avoiding a situation where a Nazi shithead sets up a GoFundMe and turns into a focus of popular sympathy. On the other hand, a number of people will be upset that CNN did not name the guy. It comes off as kind of a limpdicked half-story: "Yeah, there was a racist on the Internet, so what?" CNN therefore has to explain that the reason they're pulling a punch is that the subject of the story seems genuinely remorseful for being a Nazi shithead. The choice between (2.) and (3.) is a judgment call, IMO, not an ethical question. (3.) is the kinder option, but CNN can't withhold the guy's name without explaining to their readers why they're doing so. You have to read their explanation uncharitably to interpret it as "strongarming a private citizen." Larry Parrish posted:oh jeez it wasn't criminal so it must have been a-ok. You're out of your element, Larry.
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at the date posted:I read the statement. CNN had three options, all of which were ethical: I don't think CNN deciding to not pursue a story about a Reddit shitposter would have been a bad decision. If you want to do a story about the toxic culture that surrounds Trump fandom, there are way better and way more ethical ways to do it. But strongarming (or giving a very strong implication of such) a private citizen into acting a certain way that a corporation decides is unethical and shouldn't be tolerated. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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On another note has there been any supporting evidence against this '15 year old kid' thing. I don't wanna start pointing it out to people that the 15 year old kid part is a 4chan meme and not true and have it turn out that it really just is a kid. Note the irony that Its hard to find actual facts when everything is suppressed to protect the idiots identity.
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M_Gargantua posted:On another note has there been any supporting evidence against this '15 year old kid' thing. I don't wanna start pointing it out to people that the 15 year old kid part is a 4chan meme and not true and have it turn out that it really just is a kid. I don't think they would publish (or threaten to publish) the name of a minor, that becomes a whole different ball game.
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Shocking opinion: If you don't want to be outed as a racist, don't say racist things that might find their way back to you. Kinda like you shouldn't start rumors about people at school or work that might expose you are a bigot/racist, because you'll get fired or expelled. You have a right to say those things, you don't have a right to shun the consequences of them, especially in a public setting like a message board.
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https://twitter.com/BunchOfSteve/status/881914727433211904 "if he didn't
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CommieGIR posted:Shocking opinion: If you don't want to be outed as a racist, don't say racist things that might find their way back to you. All irrelevant to the point.
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I like that guy since he puts all the blame on trump, some sort of lone wolf, not some other systemic issue.
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New CNN statement. https://twitter.com/perlberg/status/882629134668713985 gently caress, it's weird when internet poo poo pisses all over real life / politics.
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Jul 5, 2017 17:17
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CNN releases an official statement that they did not blackmail a 15 year old child who goes by HanAssholeSolo for posting a gif of President Donald Trump doing wrestling moves on a personification of CNN. Welcome to 2017.
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I hope somebody digs through a cached version of his posts and outs him anyway. You wanna play Nazi on the internet, you deserve to be a social pariah and possibly get assaulted in public.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpyBPwCmfn0 Relevant to people posting dumb stuff on internet
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TBeats posted:All irrelevant to the point. https://twitter.com/aravosis/status...1168%23lastpost Don't worry, he's cool with outing people too.
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Fister Roboto posted:CNN releases an official statement that they did not blackmail a 15 year old child who goes by HanAssholeSolo for posting a gif of President Donald Trump doing wrestling moves on a personification of CNN. I'm skipping the news today
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Casimir Radon posted:I hope somebody digs through a cached version of his posts and outs him anyway. You wanna play Nazi on the internet, you deserve to be a social pariah and possibly get assaulted in public. Just as long as it's not some media company because holy poo poo the amount of hand-wringing over some "ironic" racist is hilarious But yeah out the dude and make him a social pariah. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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I thought to my self, maybe this is not a new thing, death threats to public people and all, and thought back to the 90s. I guess if it was done back then it would be by fax or mail. I did go through google groups to search some old alt.news groups and I didn't really find any death threats mentioned online. I am putting that mostly on the new age of the internet and the old age of the angry people though. But shitposting has been around forever.
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More importantly, which side will kiwifarms take in the coming meme wars??!!
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Oh yeah these were all good decent Americans until darth trump gave order 66
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I reject the last three pages of discussion.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/aravosis/status...1168%23lastpost If someone like you or me outed him, I would consider it fair game. I hold the media to a higher ethical standard than I do internet shitposters. Shocking, I know. When a cop shoots someone unjustifiably and Fox News brings up a horrible criminal past, I don't sit there and go "don't worry, he's a criminal" and consider that justification for the cop to walk away scot free, even though that's typically what happens. boop the snoot fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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How is it unethical to out a racist as a racist?
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Fister Roboto posted:How is it unethical to out a racist as a racist? Because saying "you have to behave a certain way online or we reserve the right to publish your personal information" is unethical.
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TBeats posted:If someone like you or me outed him, I would consider it fair game. You do know what Muckracking is, right? And how Newspapers/News Groups regularly stand behind investigative journalists who do it?
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CommieGIR posted:You do know what Muckracking is, right? And how Newspapers/News Groups regularly stand behind investigative journalists who do it? What does that have to do with CNN telling a private citizen to behave a certain way or they reserve the right to publish his personal information? Are you seriously okay with CNN telling people how to behave? I want an honest answer to this.
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gently caress you nerds. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3825946 StupidSexyVaultGuy posted:  Phobophilia posted:  Yug posted: 
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I'm 100% OK with CNN telling people to not be racist, which is not even what they did.
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TBeats posted:What does that have to do with CNN telling a private citizen to behave a certain way or they reserve the right to publish his personal information? If the dude stands behind his racist rhetoric, what fears does he have at being exposed, other than praise from others on theDonald board and maybe some Right Wing Welfare? That he might be identified as a racist Nazi who documents the location and names of Jews? If he doesn't stand behind his rhetoric, why was he saying it in the first place? CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Can this loving slap fight be over yet Jesus
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CommieGIR posted:If the dude stands behind his racist rhetoric, what fears does he have at being exposed, other than praise from others on theDonald board and maybe some Right Wing Welfare? You're looking at it wrong. We are talking past each other. Under no circumstance, whether racist, globalist, alien, male, female, hermaphrodite, 9 inch dick, millimeter peter, or any other adjective you can find to describe any private citizen, does CNN or any major news organization. have the right to tell any private citizen how to behave, lest they expose their private information, ESPECIALLY when no crimes were actually committed.
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TBeats posted:Under no circumstance, whether racist, globalist, alien, male, female, hermaphrodite, 9 inch dick, millimeter peter, or any other adjective you can find to describe any private citizen, does CNN have the right to tell anyone how to behave. They didn't tell him how to behave. He behaved, and they linked it to him. He could've told them to gently caress off, and they still probably wouldn't have released his information, like they didn't. Instead, he apologized. Maybe because he realizes that being a racist Nazi doesn't look very good. If so, he's still the larger issue, not CNN.
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CommieGIR posted:They didn't tell him how to behave. He behaved, and they linked it to him. He could've told them to gently caress off, and they still probably wouldn't have released his information, like they didn't. They issued a thinly veiled threat that if he doesn't behave in the future they reserved the right to release his personal info. That's a pretty big problem, and is horribly unethical journalism regardless of circumstance. Period. It doesn't need to be rehashed that AssWhatever is a piece of poo poo. Because that's obvious. But obviously it needs to be said that CNN acted unethically as gently caress in this whole thing.
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TBeats posted:They issued a thinly veiled threat that if he doesn't behave in the future they reserved the right to release his personal info. That's a pretty big problem, and is horribly unethical journalism regardless of circumstance. Period. Again: The guy is a-okay with releasing everyone else's personal info in his war against the Jews. Maybe you need to determine why he has a right to out thousands of others who have done nothing in a antisemitic quest against the Jews, but to be outed himself is suddenly bad. And CNN didn't out him. At all. You're repeating TheDonald's claims about CNN.
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CommieGIR posted:Again: The guy is a-okay with releasing everyone else's personal info in his war against the Jews. Maybe you need to determine why he has a right to out thousands of others who have done nothing in a antisemitic quest against the Jews, but to be outed himself is suddenly bad. Again: I hold news organizations to a higher ethical standard than random racist internet poo poo posters, and you should too! And believe it or not, it's possible to think the guy deserves to be outed and to disagree with CNN threatening to do it. It's almost as if things are black and white. I'm focusing specifically on why CNN hosed up.
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TBeats posted:Again: I hold news organizations to a higher ethical standard than random racist internet poo poo posters, and you should too! Cool, let me know when they actually out somebody and your not just repeating whatever /r/TheDonald claims they tried to do.
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TBeats posted:Again: I hold news organizations to a higher ethical standard than random racist internet poo poo posters, and you should too! The president is an internet poo poo poster. Makes you think.
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