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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



I am enjoying TMA still, though I can understand why folks might not be enjoying it right now.

My feeling is that what is happening now isn't something that can be judged in isolation. The ending might pay all this off in an unexpected way, much like how they were dropping hints to a larger story when it was still monster of the week. All that is happening now gets recontextualized in light of that. Or maybe not and it'll go out in a Game of Thrones style wet fart.

They've done a good job of playing with expectations so far, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they wrap it up, but I understand if other folks can't do the same.

If you're in that boat, I'd say don't hate listen, stop staying caught up and wait for it to end, read some commentary and decide if you want to spend time finishing it. There's more content out there than there is time to listen to it, no sense spending it consuming something you won't enjoy.

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Mokinokaro
Sep 11, 2001

At the end of everything, hold onto anything



Fun Shoe

I also highly respect them as writers for not clumsily trying to rewrite things if the community connects the dots first.

The community figured out the Watcher's Crown and Jon's comment on it was along the lines of that meaning they did a good job with the breadcrumbs.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007





Grimey Drawer

Azathoth posted:

I am enjoying TMA still, though I can understand why folks might not be enjoying it right now.

My feeling is that what is happening now isn't something that can be judged in isolation. The ending might pay all this off in an unexpected way, much like how they were dropping hints to a larger story when it was still monster of the week. All that is happening now gets recontextualized in light of that. Or maybe not and it'll go out in a Game of Thrones style wet fart.

They've done a good job of playing with expectations so far, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until they wrap it up, but I understand if other folks can't do the same.

If you're in that boat, I'd say don't hate listen, stop staying caught up and wait for it to end, read some commentary and decide if you want to spend time finishing it. There's more content out there than there is time to listen to it, no sense spending it consuming something you won't enjoy.

That's the thing though. I wouldn't call it a hate listen, it's more like I just don't listen for several weeks and then binge several episodes at once. It's basically what I did with The Bright Sessions by the end.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



SamuraiFoochs posted:

That's the thing though. I wouldn't call it a hate listen, it's more like I just don't listen for several weeks and then binge several episodes at once. It's basically what I did with The Bright Sessions by the end.

That's fair, though I do think that my suggestion to stop listening to something that you're not sure about is still good advice, not just for this podcast but also for this podcast.

I'll confess that I really don't understand why the creators are doing what they're doing right now, in the sense that they seem to largely be rehashing previous territory, which seems like a weird choice in a narrative that was previously barrelling towards a conclusion. But they've earned enough goodwill from their previous reveals that I'll go along with it.

My pet theory is that this is all some complex machination of The Web and they're going to pay it all out by the end, but I am prepared as well that this might just all be something that could be something best summarized in a couple lines with a "skip to episode ### where it picks back up again".

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004
Im gonna put cupcakes on your mind


Of all fiction right now, I have the most faith in Magnus Archives to make it work when it's all said and done. I hope.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




Has anyone listened to the patreon exclusive episodes of White Vault?

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

Len posted:

Has anyone listened to the patreon exclusive episodes of White Vault?

Yes! They're very well produced and quite a bit darker than the usual content.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




boo_radley posted:

Yes! They're very well produced and quite a bit darker than the usual content.

You get the whole bunch when you donate right? I'm not sure how I felt about s3 by itself but I'm enjoying the series as a whole and want to see the extra content. I assume it adds some context to the main series?

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



Len posted:

You get the whole bunch when you donate right? I'm not sure how I felt about s3 by itself but I'm enjoying the series as a whole and want to see the extra content. I assume it adds some context to the main series?

Without spoilers, I'd be curious to know if it adds extra context to explain why season 3 was literally just the same plot as the fist season but with new characters.

I should clarify that I still enjoy the show and liked season 3 well enough, I'm just legit not understanding why they felt the need to make that a whole season instead of just adding a throwaway line somewhere that says "what's happening on Svalbard is happening elsewhere too".

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




Azathoth posted:

Without spoilers, I'd be curious to know if it adds extra context to explain why season 3 was literally just the same plot as the fist season but with new characters.

I should clarify that I still enjoy the show and liked season 3 well enough, I'm just legit not understanding why they felt the need to make that a whole season instead of just adding a throwaway line somewhere that says "what's happening on Svalbard is happening elsewhere too".

Yeah it really feels like a mid series lull. I'm hoping 4 is going to be something different. It certainly feels like it should be going off how 3 ended

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



Len posted:

Yeah it really feels like a mid series lull. I'm hoping 4 is going to be something different. It certainly feels like it should be going off how 3 ended

The biggest problem I have is that since season 1, they really haven't either set up new mysteries or answered existing ones (aside from that the one dude from season 1 who speaks inexplicably slowly is still alive).

I find the setting and central mystery of the series to be extremely engaging, and find that the found footage conceit works well, so I'm happy to see where it goes.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004
Im gonna put cupcakes on your mind


Azathoth posted:

Without spoilers, I'd be curious to know if it adds extra context to explain why season 3 was literally just the same plot as the fist season but with new characters.

I should clarify that I still enjoy the show and liked season 3 well enough, I'm just legit not understanding why they felt the need to make that a whole season instead of just adding a throwaway line somewhere that says "what's happening on Svalbard is happening elsewhere too".

I'm still confused by season 2. Is it just the same story? I listened on YouTube and it didn't seem to add anything.

I know season 3 is similar beats with new characters, but season 2 felt like I was just listening to a rehash. Did I miss something?

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!




Season 2 was the second part of the story that started with season 1. Like it was the same characters experiencing more weird stuff in the same location. Not really sure what the problem is?

Season 3 is a new group of people in a different location experiencing similar things to the first group.

I'm not sure why NoSleep guy was who they chose to keep alive but he's probably the cheapest actor to get on board?

Season 4 will presumably be them armed for bear going after whatever is going on in the mountains

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004
Im gonna put cupcakes on your mind


Len posted:

Season 2 was the second part of the story that started with season 1. Like it was the same characters experiencing more weird stuff in the same location. Not really sure what the problem is?

Season 3 is a new group of people in a different location experiencing similar things to the first group.

I'm not sure why NoSleep guy was who they chose to keep alive but he's probably the cheapest actor to get on board?

Season 4 will presumably be them armed for bear going after whatever is going on in the mountains

Season 2 was the exact same audio of the same events in different order.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Keep on jammin'


pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

Season 2 was the exact same audio of the same events in different order.

... no, it wasn't?

e: Like, maybe I misread your post and you're just being sarcastic about the story being the same, but it is literally different audio.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Keep on jammin'


Also NoSleep guy was bad at the start when I thought he was just "westerns era Clint Eastwood having experience brain trauma" but he really grew on me and was probably my favourite character at the end of Season 2. Glad that he's back.

Sab Sabbington
Sep 18, 2016

In my restless dreams I see that town...

Flagstaff, Arizona


Azathoth posted:

I'll confess that I really don't understand why the creators are doing what they're doing right now, in the sense that they seem to largely be rehashing previous territory

I see this take semi-frequently and I'm still having a hard time trying to understand how people land on that? Pretty much every episode of the most recent season has functioned as a thematic crescendo for one of the powers, coupled with advancement of the metanarrative usually at the beginning and end. It's still the same kind of anthology storytelling that it has (primarily) always been, it's just using the Watcher's Crown version of the world as a vehicle for highlighting the existential ways the fears had always felt, but literally now.

It's polished up all the chess pieces we've been playing with for 3 seasons and getting ready for checkmate now that we have a better view.

Given Sims' real world ethics and the vibe he has when he streams and when he talks about his work I really, really don't think we're going to have a grimdark ending. My prediction that I'm feeling pretty good about : Jon is the Extinction. The Ceaseless Watcher's version of the world is--besides the overt supernatural qualities obvi--at it's core just a clearer picture of our own world, and Jon is going to end it and the influence of the other powers with it. Bonus points if the series literally ending (as in there's no more for us to listen to) is part of that conceit.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013






Latest Nightvale episode was surprisingly scary.

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.


Sab Sabbington posted:

I see this take semi-frequently and I'm still having a hard time trying to understand how people land on that? Pretty much every episode of the most recent season has functioned as a thematic crescendo for one of the powers, coupled with advancement of the metanarrative usually at the beginning and end. It's still the same kind of anthology storytelling that it has (primarily) always been, it's just using the Watcher's Crown version of the world as a vehicle for highlighting the existential ways the fears had always felt, but literally now.

It's polished up all the chess pieces we've been playing with for 3 seasons and getting ready for checkmate now that we have a better view.

Given Sims' real world ethics and the vibe he has when he streams and when he talks about his work I really, really don't think we're going to have a grimdark ending. My prediction that I'm feeling pretty good about : Jon is the Extinction. The Ceaseless Watcher's version of the world is--besides the overt supernatural qualities obvi--at it's core just a clearer picture of our own world, and Jon is going to end it and the influence of the other powers with it. Bonus points if the series literally ending (as in there's no more for us to listen to) is part of that conceit.

Yeah, I don't see it being per-se a happy ending-- not only would it be out of genre but that would be literally impossible with everything that's happened up to this point, but the meta-story doesn't work if it doesn't end with some bittersweet but precious victory. And whatever anyone thinks about Magnus, I think you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the meta-story is badly constructed to this point.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

Len posted:

You get the whole bunch when you donate right? I'm not sure how I felt about s3 by itself but I'm enjoying the series as a whole and want to see the extra content. I assume it adds some context to the main series?

Yes, there's a $5 tier that gets you the goods. Most of the extra content are shorter standalone episodes that expand the WV world in meaningful ways. There's some fun stuff -- a musical episode and a goofy dubstep song that's 50% industrial club banger.

Fool and Scholar have a talent for writing new content in way above and beyond giving you more of what you're already getting. Imperial is a huge change-up in tone; historical in nature and slightly "tighter" in its storytelling.

I'll warn you that Artifact is harrowing to listen to if you have thoughts of self-harm. I appreciate it for its craft, but found it hard to listen to for that reason.

boo_radley
Dec 30, 2005

Politeness costs nothing

From the makers of I Am In Eskew is the upcoming Silt Verses: https://www.thesiltverses.com/

quote:

Carpenter and Faulkner, two worshipers of an outlawed god, travel up the length of their deityís great black river, searching for holy revelations amongst the reeds and the wetlands.

As their pilgrimage lengthens and the riverís mysteries deepen, the two acolytes find themselves under threat from a police manhunt, but also come into conflict with the weirder gods that have flourished in these forgotten rural territories.

This is a world where divine intervention takes place through prayer-markings scratched into stumping-posts, and offerings are left squirming to die in the flats of the delta.

This is a world of ritual, and hidden language, and sacrifice.

This is folk horror, and fantasy, and a dark road trip into the depths of unusual faith.

I loved Eskew, and this is giving me some strong Archive 81 vibes. I'm excited!

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

vorticity (n):
A measure of the local rotation in a fluid flow. In weather analysis and forecasting, it usually refers to the vertical component of rotation and is used most often in reference to synoptic scale or mesoscale weather systems.


Pillbug

A couple of images that came with their email today:






No idea what it means, but I really love the second one.

PS they want you to take a survey about what kind of Patreon rewards you'd like.

Arrhythmia
Jul 22, 2011

Keep on jammin'


boo_radley posted:

I loved Eskew, and this is giving me some strong Archive 81 vibes. I'm excited!


Absolutely hyped for this.

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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Blind.
Idiot.
God.



boo_radley posted:

From the makers of I Am In Eskew is the upcoming Silt Verses: https://www.thesiltverses.com/


I loved Eskew, and this is giving me some strong Archive 81 vibes. I'm excited!


holy poo poo I can't wait for this

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