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Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

lmao we live in hellworld

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Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Yeah I'm usually sympathetic to people that argue that the problem is rich vs poor rather than a generational conflict, but it's hard to square that with so many examples of boomers pulling the ladder up behind them at each step of their lives.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Centrist Committee posted:

Their parents had the GI bill and then they had the interstate highway system, cheap gas, and decades of government policy to get people to buy houses, at least for white people. Now there’s crumbling infrastructure, soaring energy costs coupled with environmental collapse, and a handful of gig economy apps from the private sector. It’s bad for white people now too.

Yeah the difference is that the current generation is much less invested in the current societal structure as they don't have a material stake in it like the boomers had.

The danger is more that both the left and the far right are calling out the system's failures, but disagree on the cause. And unfortunately saying "it's because of brown people" is easier than explaining the structural reasons for the coming catastrophe.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

redleader posted:

destroy capitalism imo

Install a ticker in Times Square that has a number on it, and an app that has a cookie clicker style game to make the number on the ticker go up.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

MiddleOne posted:

It's the prospective value of rent/accomodation that creates the valuation, not actual rent or accommodation. So you can just hold the asset empty indefinitely and turn it into a glorified bank vault with interest being a factor of housing shortage and/or housing bubbles. There's almost no densely populated city in the entirety of the western economy where this isn't happening presently.

Someone already said money laundering but it's also an effect of QE. Real estate developers are often so leveraged that they can't downwrite their property without going bankrupt, so they can be stuck in a very long loop of renewing loans and dropping more shares on the stock market. QE has made liquidity ludicrously more accessible and cheap so capital markets are more than happy to dump money into anything that even resembles returns, even if the underlying asset is toxic.

In Australia it's even more hilarious as any loss made on a property investment can be used to offset the tax you owe from your main income, so having a property be vacant can in some cases be much better for the investor financially than having it rented.

Also when the property is sold it counts as a capital gain and so any profit from the increase in property value when sold is taxed at about half the rate of the top tax bracket, so you get a nice bonus at the end of your investment in addition to the tax break.

It's such a sweet deal that until recently a good chunk of mortgages on investment properties were "interest only", i.e. you never paid a dime towards the actual mortgage amount and just paid the interest on the loan each month, and you still made out like a bandit assuming the property price rose at our above the inflation rate. Successive governments or opposition parties have tried to reform it for years and get howled down because so many people have structured their finances around these loopholes.

Yes we have one of the most expensive housing markets in the world, why do you ask?

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
A few years back I was catching up with a friend who lives in London and works in finance, and said something along the lines of technical analysis being largely horseshit, and whatever remaining value it had is a condemnation of how removed from reality that the financial system is that you can make money based off spotting a "double horseshoe inverse" or whatever before other people

turns out he teaches a class on the topic

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

mila kunis posted:

they need to cut rates, do more QE and institute a government backed stock buying program so it can be un-corrected. do it for Number

Apropos of nothing, it's a bit weird that the current system is structured such that we can pay a living wage to people working now, or maintain the number such that pensioners don't end up eating cat food, but not both.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Farm Frenzy posted:

its hosed up taht thats probably not even in the top five most evil things zuckerberg is resonsible for

A bunch of government agencies literally can't access some major news websites because autoplay and associated ad scripts crash their older versions of windows explorer. CNN's is by far the worst but it's a problem across the board.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
Like, it's kinda condemning that there's less intrusive ads on porn streaming websites than any US news outlet.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

mila kunis posted:

yeah but the government easily has the money to give them a real pension and scrap the system based on gambling while enforcing a living wage.

sounds like socialism to me

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

amaru_chulla posted:

Learn agriculture, animal husbandry, and infantry tactics

Learn how to make alcohol, it's an incredibly valuable commodity in an actual collapse.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Dog Toothbrush posted:

I was at Costco yesterday and literally got like six handles of rum because I thought about This War of Mine

There was a book written like ten years ago called "reinventing collapse" that was doomsday prepper-adjacent, but was written by a guy that lived through the collapse of the Soviet Union. A point that stuck with me was that someone making homemade grappa or vodka could survive comfortably throughout the crisis solely on the output of his backyard still.

Turns out a good portion of the populace will be unable to deal with the reality of the situation and will drink themselves to oblivion.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
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Gringostar posted:

it's more about how to survive effectively with a minimal amount of material goods

idiot

Nah society doesn't go away in a severe crisis, it just reorganises on a very local scale. Get yourself a hobby that's also a useful trade in your community and make lots of friends, you'll be (relatively) fine.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
thinking about financial execs spruiking their skills in creating derivative-based investment vehicles to the mayor of Bartertown

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
I am a little worried that this is going to be characterised as purely the fault of the pandemic rather than the utterly reality-divorced positions of financial markets for the past decade.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

:hfive:

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

seems strange that large parts of our society are held to ransom by a market system that displays bouts of irrational exuberance followed by paranoia and fear

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
guess that's just the price we pay for freedom :)

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

err posted:

Good intro post on the repo market issue and global finance. At the very least you may learn a thing or two.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/fe5s7e/the_fed_repos_are_an_attempt_to_prop_up_the

Tldr: things are very weird right now and nobody knows what the future holds. Things can get really bad.

I don't know how much to buy into what this guy's saying, but goddamn "weaponize your collective autism" is a great turn of phrase

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Mr Hootington posted:

https://m.investing.com/

And they are going down again. The trump magic!

Hootington and hollerington

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
I've been typing in "djia" into google multiple times a day to watch number freefall and now the almighty google algorithm thinks I want to learn about investing :(

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

Dumb Lowtax posted:

So this year might be a good time for all of us who live in cities to read up a whole lot about the Iraqi insurgency movement... like what worked and what didn't for them... how they survived essentially a long-term siege. Anyone know about that

Also heard good recommendations to read up on the siege of Sarajevo but Iraq seems like a more recent and often urban case

I think I plugged it already in this thread, but if you can get a hold of Dimitry Orlov's book Reinventing Collapse, it's worth a read. His predictions about peak oil etc are off and you can ignore most of the prepper junk, but the section "Career Opportunities" and the more general guide to navigating a societal breakdown are insightful. The guy writes mostly about his experiences in post-collapse Soviet Union. I'll hunt around and see if I can find some decent excerpts.

Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug
Wait am I too late to have strong opinions about the pigeon forge?

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Tirade
Jul 17, 2001

Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division
Pillbug

OhFunny posted:

https://twitter.com/people/status/1271087321304248321?s=19

I went to a few birthday parties at Chuckie Cheese when I was little. They had a sweet Star Wars arcade game. Alas.

Reminder that not only does the E in Chuck E. Cheese stand for entertainment, but their parent company is "CEC Entertainment", or in full Chuck Entertainment Cheese Entertainment

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