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zoux posted:Dunno about the new theme they're rolling out for the final season. He should have done it like his Jack Sparrow parody
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Eiba posted:Not to defend Walking Dead, but did you really criticize it as hopelessly, maliciously nihilistic... in the Game of Thrones thread? I feel like Walking Dead is actually a bit more nihilistic than GoT. Sure, bad things happen but the good guys have eked out some pretty solid wins but nothing good ever happens in the zombie show without eventually being sniffed out. In GoT hope is dangerous but achievable if you're careful, lucky, or set your sights realistically. In the walking dead just lol if you're not dead inside.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:How's that? S1 had an entire episode about characters traveling places. A raven is sent to Winterfell, arrives next scene. All the lords of the North teleport to Winterfell. Next episode, they all teleport to the Twins and Cat teleports from the Eyrie. Then in the same episode, they all teleport to Riverrun. Meanwhile, Ned spends a couple nights in jail and has a couple conversations with Varys.
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Phi230 posted:http://www.avclub.com/article/game-thrones-director-admits-shows-timeline-strain-259742 I mentioned to my girlfriend after the episode that it souunded like D&D were apologizing in the afterward. Seriously, go back and watch it and tell me they don't have thee same reactions as George Lucas
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fruit on the bottom posted:I feel like Walking Dead is actually a bit more nihilistic than GoT. Again, no comment on the actual quality. Just the tone. They're kind of remarkably similar in being about being about difficult, incremental, fragile progress in a hostile-as-gently caress world.
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Aug 22, 2017 23:26
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Those fuckers killing the dragon has genuinely devastated me and yet jon lived. smdh
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Aug 22, 2017 23:32
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I've seen a lot of people talk about nuclear spears and how they're exploding. I thought the spear attack was a pretty awesome visual of what would happen when you puncture a fire breathing dragon. I imagine the insides of a dragon would be like some kind of crazy reactor or something. Boom.
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Smugworth posted:and yet jon lived. smdh Jon is to blame for his death 100% Just like Rocky for Apollo's Maybe it's recency bias, but this season is my legit favorite season so far
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I assumed that's exactly what happened. Or more specifically, the Night King pierced his fire organ.
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Supreme Allah posted:More would say Shakespeare than the bible, guaranteed But have you heard it in the original Klingon?
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fruit on the bottom posted:I feel like Walking Dead is actually a bit more nihilistic than GoT. GoT is about miserable people who always seem to be on the precipice of being less miserable and then having it cruelly yanked away. TWD is about people who are miserable and establishes a universe in which they are 100% certain to be miserable until the day they die (horribly), and in which every day humanity survives is going to be worse than the last. You could say they're all... dead men walking.
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Sunday I thought the foreshadowing in the last episode of Dany not being able to have a child, and thus surprise! having a child was not subtly hinting that the series would probably end with her on the Iron Throne (or, given that I wouldn't be surprised if she did away with it, its replacement) after Jon died. Then today I considered the fact that could lead to her dying in childbirth and I went into a near panic mode, almost fully convinced it was going to happen, then calmed down a bit. I'm really looking forward to the end of the season, both to see what happens (get the feeling it's gonna be goooood), and to detox. I've gotten a bit obsessed (admittedly it's been rather appreciated, theories flowing non-stop in my head has made the day at work go by quickly). I need to chill out, stop freaking out so much about fictional characters, and recall. That said god damnit I really hope that doesn't happen, it'd be completely against her character for her to die having a baby. More likely, with Jon dead and her sitting the Iron Throne while realizing that it wasn't what she really wanted all along, it'll be hope for her in dark times.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Sunday I thought the foreshadowing in the last episode of Dany not being able to have a child, and thus surprise! having a child was not subtly hinting that the series would probably end with her on the Iron Throne (or, given that I wouldn't be surprised if she did away with it, its replacement) after Jon died. I've always felt pretty confident that Dany is going to die. It feels like it makes for a legend very in line with most of Westeros' history- "yeah this girl came in with her three dragons and set the kingdom straight and then died of tuberculosis. Very sad, she burned short and burned bright." General Dog fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Aug 22, 2017 |
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Jon is to blame for his death 100% I completely put this on the hound actually
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If they want a mega-happy ending, it'll be Queen Dany, Prince Consort Jon, and Jon's lover holding a baby.
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cjg posted:I've seen a lot of people talk about nuclear spears and how they're exploding. I thought the spear attack was a pretty awesome visual of what would happen when you puncture a fire breathing dragon. I imagine the insides of a dragon would be like some kind of crazy reactor or something. Boom. It's like these people complaining have never read discworld, the internal workings of swamp dragons are clearly explained and magic is the obvious reason the big ones can fly.
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Lycus posted:If they want a mega-happy ending, it'll be Queen Dany, Prince Consort Jon, and Jon's lover holding a baby. Missandei could be the secret surrogate mother. Come full circle and have more lies about the parentage of the presumptive heir to the throne. It's like poetry, it rhymes.
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General Dog posted:Missandei could be the secret surrogate mother. Come full circle and have more lies about the parentage of the presumptive heir to the throne. It's like poetry, it rhymes. 
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General Dog posted:I've always felt pretty confident that Dany is going to die. It feels like it makes for a legend very in line with most of Westeros' history- "yeah this girl came in with her three dragons and set the kingdom straight and then died of tuberculosis. Very sad, she burned short and burned bright." I'm like 50/50 on her dying. I'm just if she does die (in battle, against the White Walkers), Jon will try and get Melisandre to bring her back, Melisandre will fail, Jon will try and burn the body, stab Dany through the heart when that fails (to keep her from coming back), and she'll resurrect as Lightbringer. While she's dead Dany will get a chance to stay with Drogo and Rhaego again, but she'll choose to walk away from what she's always wanted (a family) because she's the only one who can help save the world. She'll think she's lost Jon and be a little suicidal, then someone will point out she's totally pregnant, and hope springs anew for Dany.
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General Dog posted:Missandei could be the secret surrogate mother. Come full circle and have more lies about the parentage of the presumptive heir to the throne. It's like poetry, it rhymes. "I'm so sorry, Jon. We need an heir. I need you to make some sacifices by having sex with my ultra-hot friend. I can be there too if you like. Just close your eyes and think of Westeros."
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Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? I haven't read jack poo poo so i don't have a point of reference so then every episode is just automatically great for me
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? Well, this is the best part of the books, so judge each episode against this: https://youtu.be/QmKhGqWcJGY
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? The books only got worse after the first so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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If anyone dies my money's on Jon. He's already dead and Big Poppa R'hollr just bought him some time.
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I think the show is more likely to kill Jon, and the books (if they'd ever been finished) would have been more likely to kill Dany. Rickon would have ended up Lord of Winterfell in the fat man books.
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? Are you really liking the Arya stuff? Why? The idea to have Gendry run a marathon then send a raven thousands of miles to Dany so she can rescue them doesn't take you out of it? The plan only makes the slightest bit of sense if they already know ahead of time that they're going to be trapped on an ice island for days.
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Blazing Ownager posted:At least we didn't spend the whole season with that long repetitive "We have to kill Cersei" post I made earlier in the thread. At least they're not trying to bring a zombie to Negan to get him on their side.
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? I only read the first book and half of the second. The show is doing downhill for me because the vastness of the world that was set up in the early seasons is gone, and the way the characters behave has changed. I liked that the world was full of political intrigue, and that intrigue was affected by the actual world and system they lived in. Cat Stark hadn't seen her sister in years because of the distance between them. Ned hadn't seen Rob since back in the days when Rob was thin because they live 2000 miles away from each other. The system of government in Westeros allowed for some intense and quick political maneuvers in each individual castle, while a slower game was played out between each individual kingdom. That's gone now. Everyone is playing in the same sandbox, and directly effects each other. This wasn't done by focusing the story in one location though. Instead they did it by shrinking the sandbox. But the part that I really miss is smart characters. The intelligent reactions from Maester Luwin, Rob, and Catlyn to Sansa's letter that has been brought up recently is a very good example. The characters used to make decisions based upon a combination of their personality and the world they were in, and their actions mixed with and changed the overall story and environmental variables. Now there are 7 main characters who all think it is a smart idea to go capture a zombie. The character's dumb decisions are the driving force of the story now, and the world no longer reacts to them because the only thing needed to move the story along is another dumb decision that can overwrite any environmental variables. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Aug 23, 2017 |
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? As a book reader I'm willing to let a lot of things slide because I'm just incredibly grateful to be getting an ending at all.
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I still haven't seen any explanation of wtf Jon was trying to accomplish when he chose to ignore the dragon and instead try to get 2-3 more zombie kills before going home. It felt so out of character for him that I thought I must have been missing something.
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PantsBandit posted:I still haven't seen any explanation of wtf Jon was trying to accomplish when he chose to ignore the dragon and instead try to get 2-3 more zombie kills before going home. It felt so out of character for him that I thought I must have been missing something. He was only 10xp away from levelling up and needed to grind
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PantsBandit posted:I still haven't seen any explanation of wtf Jon was trying to accomplish when he chose to ignore the dragon and instead try to get 2-3 more zombie kills before going home. It felt so out of character for him that I thought I must have been missing something. Official show runner explanation: to buy them time. TBH, I don't think that came across.
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Lycus posted:Headline news: Nerds place greater importance on nerdthings than most people when it comes to their nerdshow. The Poochie episode of the Simpsons was 20 years ago and is still pitch perfect about whining nerds
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The Human Crouton posted:I only read the first book and half of the second. The show is doing downhill for me because the vastness of the world that was set up in the early seasons is gone, and the way the characters behave has changed. Well said. The show spent seasons setting up its own "rules," if you will, only to ignore them at the climax. It feels cheap. Friendship with GoT ended, now The Expanse is my best friend.
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Now The Expanse, that's how you do an adaptation
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fruit on the bottom posted:Official show runner explanation: to buy them time. They should have had a white walker advancing, or some poo poo. There were wights all around Drogon and his other sides seemed fine. Just get on the loving dragon.
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fruit on the bottom posted:Official show runner explanation: to buy them time. Oh...Yeah that's dumb.
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:Does your opinion on episodes change if you've read the books? Like do you judge it more harshly? Yes and no. They've left out some content that I thought was cool and was looking forward too, but they've also made a lot of changes for the better. We're also far past the end of the last released book so there isn't really anything to compare the current episodes to beyond years' worth of fan speculation and theorycrafting on what is going to happen when (lol, "when") the books finish up. Nerds being nerds people get attached to their pet theories over the years, particularly since the source material lends it to a certain subjectivity (unreliable narrators, shifting Point Of View, the idea that "everyone thinks they're the hero") and nerds having partisan rooting interests and factions they want to see win much like the professional football GRRM spends all his time watching instead of actually writing the loving things. This is also a symptom of the books not finishing: no ending means the heroes haven't made their comeback and their triumph over adversity yet; the books mostly then depict that adversity and the villains getting over on them (which has stuck the books, in my opinion, with an overblown reputation for cynicism and being nihilist and "OMG SUBVERTING TROPES ANYONE CAN DIE". It was always meant to reverse course late, and shift tone from low fantasy to high fantasy, and the point of the political intrigue was always going to be that it was a dysfunctional [albeit compelling] distraction from the true existential threat to the far north.) At this point I definitely don't like stuff more or less based on any sense of orthodoxy. Sure, I wish they'd do more than they do with certain characters (whose book counterparts I really enjoy and have been waiting in vain for a long time to see their engaging story arcs conclude) but I only criticize elements on the show when the writing doesn't hold to their own internal logic. And I also don't my criticisms get in the way of enjoying cool poo poo that I've been waiting to see (and read) for years, like the zombie dragon and Jon/Dany/Tyrion all coming together. Plus as many have said, I've wanted to know how this fun little story ends and this show's ending is the only one we're gonna get so...
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Part of me thought that the dragon would return and save Jon by grabbing him by the nape of his neck like a kitten. This would mark the new normal.
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