Bananaquiter posted:

Did Sam go all the way to oldtown to find out that dragonstone comes from dragonisland, a fact that Stannis had already dropped on him in a previous season?

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

So I still don't understand how Arya got faceless powers but I'm glad she's out of that crappy plot.

Dragonstoned posted:

The thing is, Walder was never the Lord of the Riverlands. The Freys keep thinking they're the top dogs because they have Riverrun but it's actually Littlefinger who holds the title of "Lord of the Riverlands."

Baron von Eevl posted:

It's Sweet Robin in charge of the house, and that's The Vale anyway. The riverlands were ruled by house Tulley, then the Freys, now I guess nobody since they're all dead.

Zaphod42 posted:

If Jaquen had been training Arya since birth he probably wouldn't have let her just skip town with all the faceless secrets? Like what is his master plan here? Jaquen is secretly the Lord of Light or some poo poo? Too crazy for me man

Sydin posted:

So we're more or less confirmed now that Euron is basically just Ramsey 2.0, up to and including the bullshit plot armor.

Josh Lyman posted:

I've always thought of greyscale as Westerosi AIDS

Gay Horney posted:

How many loving fleets has Dany had destroyed now. Theons whole redemption arc is a giant waste of time. This show is retarded

TheRat posted:

I thought it was heavily implied he had to cut away the grayscale to administer the cure?

Adun posted:

Yeah Sam says he has to cut out the diseased bits to administer the medicinal salve

InFlames235 posted:

Jorah will be cured, meet up with Dany as they're about to take over Kings Landing, see the ballista arrow about to hit Dany and then jump in front of it to save her. This is his destiny.

C2C - 2.0 posted:

Maybe I'm watching the show wrong or whatever, but how did Euron know that the Dorne contingent would be aboard Yara's ship since they're presumably the prize that he mentioned to Cersei?

The Doomhammer posted:

So Bran's just using his three eyed raven power to watch people gently caress right. Like, all the time.

Zaphod42 posted:

Not the best episode but lots of things happened, some good political drama, some good warcraft, and a pretty decent fight scene with Grey Worm going 300. I don't have any major complaints.

Okay, okay, I have one. And yeah, its a time problem.

How does Euron get around so drat fast? I know he's fast and in the books he uses sorcery to make his ships go faster, but holy poo poo. He circumnavigated Westeros in like 2 days??

I guess there's some major river you can use to cross the continent quickly? I didn't think any of them would be big enough for an armada of warships...

Zaphod42 posted:

Yeah but for the unsullied its a straight walk there, while Euron had time to go to King's Landing, present his reward to Cersei, hit on her and make Jaime uncomfortable, and then sail all the way around either the north or south of Westeros. (I guess the south because gently caress the north)
If there's some major canal across westeros then its cool, like I said, but I didn't get the impression that was the case.

Herv posted:

We learned this in the first episode, first season.

ditty bout my clitty posted:

Just to confirm, there's no way both sand snakes aren't surviving cersei's bond villain trap?

fruit on the bottom posted:

Wow, so when Dany takes the throne she'll just leave her down there?

Brutal.

But fair.

wilderthanmild posted:

Now they barely even need Dragons though. They just annihilated the main army supporting the crown. There's still Euron's fleet, but lol if the ironborn are going to fight on land or defend in a siege.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I legit thought Bronn was gonna kill that dragon for a moment, wish he did.

Vanilla Mint Ice posted:

Yes


And if he died too, those men officially belong to Samwell of House Tarly

Ragnarok the Red posted:

The past season-and-a-half have been all about shitloads of the old ways being knocked down. Official bastards can't hold huge chunks of territory by Ramsay and later Jon. Northern women not fighting by Mormont girl agreeing with Jon about full northern mobilization. Wouldn't surprise me if Sam can gain control of House Tarly despite taking the black if his dad & brother are dead, he has the house Valerian steel sword, and the Night King is probably knocking the wall down soon so the Night's Watch will probably no longer be a thing post-war if anyone lives.

Bip Roberts posted:

LinkesAuge posted:

How is she a villain in a world surrounded by medieval rulers who do horrible stuff all the time? It would be beyond stupid for her to turn "bad" because she might not always make decissions that satisfy everyone's tactical realism but she is a decent human being even by modern standards and does actually value the opinion of others and as well respecting people as human beings with rights.
Goons really have a weird disconnect with Dany when it comes to judging her personality based on what is shown to us. It would be A LOT easier to make Jon turn bad (especially with this whole being dead thing) but I see no way how that would make any sense for Dany at this point. It's far too late for this now, if that would be a real option then Cersei wouldn't be around and we would see more signs of Dany actually doing bad things but instead we are shown repeatedly that she prefers to care about civilian casualities instead of having a fast victory.

LinkesAuge posted:

Do you remember how we were introduced to Ned Stark? Was he also a villain? I repeat: This is a society based on the realities of a medieval society which means there is no prison till end of life, it's pretty much either being let go or death sentence.
I already saw someone arguing that one of the "good" slavers got killed in Dany's "purge". That might be true and tragic but these things happen all the time even today (a wrong judgement). The important point is that Dany had at least a _very_ good reason for such an extreme measure.
She is certainly a flawed character ("hero") but to call her a villain is just stupid in the whole context in the show and certainly not what is happening on screen (people also argue from a position in which they have a lot more information available than her).

zeal posted:

laws are what powerful people and the people with weapons they employ can enforce. in Mereen, until the Unsullied and the dragons came, it was legal for everyone Dany ended up feeding to her dragons to rape and mutilate the people they held as property. the men Dany fed to her dragons were the men who enforced and executed that order of life. they were rich, they were powerful, if any of them felt strong ethical opposition to how things were done in Mereen they had every opportunity to sell off their households and make new lives in less grotesque civilizations.

the law in Mereen was whatever Dany well pleased, because she was the one with the dragons and the Unsullied, the same exact way that the law in Westeros is whatever the great houses and their retainers can enforce on the peasants and proles. law without an ethical basis is worth as much as leaves of paper wiped with poo poo.

if anything Dany was too kind to the masters, as the whole 'sons of the harpy' interlude showed. she should have purged them all, with blood and fire, like it says on her family crest, and saved a lot of Unsullied and freed-slave lives.


She burned their entire ruling class to death, as she should've done at Mereen.

Vanilla Mint Ice posted:

Add jaime lannister to the hall of villains please

Right next to
Darth Vader: Attempted to subjugate and enslave the universe.
Magneto: Attempted to subjugate and enslave all non mutants.
Jaime Lannister: Attempted to murder a boy to protect his family and porked his sister.

Vanilla Mint Ice posted:

Add jaime lannister to the hall of villains please

Right next to
Darth Vader: Attempted to subjugate and enslave the universe.
Magneto: Attempted to subjugate and enslave all non mutants.
Jaime Lannister: Attempted to murder a boy to protect his family and porked his sister.

Waffles Inc. posted:

Again like, no one is judging anyone for "liking" Jamie; I like him too! Just like, it's probably worth recognizing the reality of him being a total fuckhead

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

In Westeros that's considered at least theoretically bad, in dothraki culture it's encouraged.

Zaphod42 posted:

They did the same thing in LOTR when Frodo falls into a pond. Its just cinematic licence / gotta be epic.

Its not very deep, although it did look deep enough to kill a guy wearing full armor. Almost guaranteed he's gonna get dragged out and taken hostage, or miraculously escape because Bronn is a ninja or some poo poo.

fruit on the bottom posted:

Possible endings:

-Jon kills the Night King but must become the new Night King ruling over the Walkers and keeping them in check but can never return to the seven kingdoms.

FizFashizzle posted:

oh hey we're altogether now man crazy how life works out

precision posted:

"I'm not here to murder" she says, after murdering 90% of the army

"I'm not here to murder" she says, "unless you don't bend the knee, in which case, yeah, I'm gonna murder you"

god drat i hate Dany

Kevyn posted:

Back in season 1 when Robb and Cat got Sansa's letter, they knew immediately that it was Sansa's handwriting but Cersei's words. If Arya falls for this, she's dumb. And Arya's not dumb*.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

The thing about Gendry is that the North now has someone with a claim to the Iron Throne. That could come up later if they have to go against Daenerys or she dies or something.

Personal_Nirvana posted:

What are you talking about. This was perhaps the best episode in the entire series outside season 1.

twistedmentat posted:

I have a weird idea that Arya knows what's up and is just playing her part in Littlefingers plan. She's been written very smart lately, and the other option is just too dumb.

Supreme Allah posted:

The zombies clearly can't shoot bows apparently

But

I mean if the night king has all those spears he could have just chucked them at the group one at a time, and picked them off

Constant posted:

its almost as if they were waiting for something

Kubrick posted:

This.

Where was the suspense? Also ICE JAVLINS are kinda dumb. Just have undead giants shooting bows or something.

TheKevman posted:

I mean if the Dead are as close to the wall as they'd have to be for Gendry to be able to run back to it and send off the raven, by the time the entourage makes it to King's landing (3 months from Winterfell according to Robert Baratheon, IIRC, not including amassing the ENTIRE army) the NK and his army might be asking for a 3rd seat at the party since they'll be right outside anyways.

lezard_valeth posted:

I liked Daenerys' "I had to see it to believe it" logic totally mirroring the farm people's "they are still human...oh i nearly died to them, yep, that be zombies" logic

NEED MORE MILK posted:

this some next level autism poo poo