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SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

Hadn't really heard any of Linkin Park's new music in about 10 years but high school me bleeding into college really liked their music. But regardless of what you think of that, the dude was 41 and had something like four biological kids and one adopted. loving bummer man. Suicide sucks. Stay safe everybody, suicide never the answer, etc.

cool kids inc. posted:

I'm just gutted. I know it was cool and hip to hate on Linkin Park, but I never got that. He was so so talented. His voice was his instrument and he worked tirelessly to ensure it held up after he blew it one time (which is more than we can say for some enormously popular musicians) and their music was just so personal. You can hear his suffering in the words, and if you've ever felt like he has, it's impossible not to relate.

Just heartbreaking.

Nailed it. I realize it's been funny to use CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN as a meme and whatnot but seriously, he was an amazing singer and as "high school" as a lot of the lyrics were, they were heartfelt and came from a genuine place.

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SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

Volkerball posted:



Man I loved the hybrid theory album when I was a kid. What a lovely situation.

I still think Reanimation was also really cool conceptually and I listened to it again like a year ago and it holds up surprisingly well for what it is IMO.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

I never realized A Thousand Suns was such a great album, probably because I figured LP was just the Transformers band now. I should give it a listen.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Echoing the post about LP's sentiment. Overwrought as Chester's lyrics could be they reflected real emotional pain, of which there's a lot in the world. Makes me think about how we mock expressions of it.

That's why I've always been a little put off by the refrain of Crawling being used to mock people. I mean I get it from the perspective that the lyrics are immensely dramatic as is the delivery, but seriously who are we as a society that we think something like that is rife for mockery?

Oh right, The Internet.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

financially racist posted:

speaking as someone who has battled severe depression and at times been suicidal, the lyrics to crawling were mockable because they sounded fake to me. like an adult trying to approximate awkward teen poetry or something. also depression to me sounds more like the cure's pornography, not loud power chords with screaming.

recent events obviously change this perception.

I never thought it was faked but maybe that's more a function of having listened to other songs of theirs (My December, for example). Anyway I guess I'm just saying I think it's sad that FAKE LOL is the default response to so much and has been for so long.

Also if you listen to the Reanimation version of Crawling and it doesn't change your perception I'd be shocked.

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SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

It's also kind of dumb as a meme because when that album came out, Chester was the oldest guy in the band and was in like, his early 20's or so, meaning that it's quite possible that the guy was high school/college age when he wrote the song originally. I mean a lot of first albums of bands have material that the bands have had demos of for years. I certainly don't know for sure, and I'm not saying anyone who ever thought it was a silly or overwrought song is a bad person or anything; hell I had a chuckle or two about it in my time. I'm just saying I think a lot of context got lost for people, and it won't now, but for the most unfortunate reasons imaginable.

Minutes To Midnight was the last LP album I owned and the loving SCREAM towards the end of Given Up is both vocally impressive and now absolutely gut-wrenching. Chester was genuinely probably one of the most underrated voices in rock, whatever you may think of the songwriting.

SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

The Muppets On PCP posted:

for a time linkin park replaced limp bizkit as the representative for everything formulaic and laughable about nu-metal

And it was. and still is, stupid as poo poo. I'm not even like, an LP superfan or anything (though their first two albums+Reanimation which is really its own album were among some of my many favorites growing up and I loving love Fort Minor) and I totally get where the criticisms come from, but even comparing LP at their most mockable to Limp Bizkit is an absolute insult. Other than the fact that the bands were rap-rock that came out at around the same time and admittedly some of the lyrics can be...not the highest of art, at least the Linkin Park lyrics were SAYING something, even if it was teen angst-y. One Step Closer is definitely the Limp Bizkit-est song they did and it was their first single so that's pretty obviously where the perception came from which I suppose I get, but literally everything, from the production to the actual vocals to the instrumentation displays more artistry than Fred Durst has ever been capable of in his entire life.

LP's music is far from beyond reproach and you can even think a lot of it is manufactured (though the fact that the band chose to release a remix album of all things as their second project is pretty goddamn innovative and original and it features guest spots from people associated with and/or who'd worked with and/or been members of Dilated Peoples, Orgy, Jurassic 5, The Roots, Freestyle Fellowship, Korn, Deftones, amazingly enough Flight of The Conchords and I'm sure others I'm forgetting) just shows the wide range of influences and aspects LP tried to work into their music. One thing you can never accuse Linkin Park of ever is being samey from album to album, and whether you think that's true artistry or just skill at working what's popular and/or being good at putting otherwise mediocre work into an extremely slick package is I suppose up for debate, but either way, holy poo poo the effort they put in to what they did is more than a lot of the other artists they get unfavorably compared to ever do. I've heard it said that some people feel like they mocked Linkin Park because they had to or they should, and while I'm not saying that about you, I've never gotten the logic that "polished=bad" or that if something is both polished and popular that somehow disqualifies someone from being a real artist or whatever the gently caress.

I dunno what spawned this huge effortpost, I think it's mostly that I feel like a comparison to Limp Bizkit is the most unflattering thing that can ever be said about an artist and whether you like them or not, LP was/is surely better than THAT. I guess I really dislike Fred Durst for a ton of reasons and I think you have to be genuinely awful to deserve being mentioned in the same breath. Also I've never gotten screaming for the sake of screaming and I'll take Chester's brand 100% of the time but that's a preference thing I suppose. Oh and Mike Shinoda is a legitimately talented MC/producer and that's the other part that sticks in my craw about it a bit.

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SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



Grimey Drawer

Volkerball posted:

Peak Fred Durst


These words rhyme!

Okay see this is what I meant. And for the record I was probably too harsh, I shouldn't say Limp Bizkit's music is devoid of value because it gives some people a good time and that's cool. I guess I just always hated the LB/LP comparison because it always seemed really superficial and dumb and it almost invariably came from people who act like they know everything about music and are Smarter Than You.

I still can't stand Fred Durst though.

Oh and like 90% of music in every genre is formulaic so that as a pejorative baffles me.

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SamuraiFoochs
Jan 16, 2007



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The Muppets On PCP posted:

i didn't mean to invite a comparison between the two but i will say in limp bizkit's defense apart from fred durst they actually were legit talented musicians

Yeah, I'll give you that but Fred Durst is Fred Durst. Shame really.

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