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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Well drat. I guess he was good about keeping his personal life out of the news because I had no idea he was going through as much crap as he apparently was. I had him pegged as being pretty chill despite the angst in his music. Didn't see this one coming at all.

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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Even though their new album is.............. well, really bad, the title track is just devastating, especially today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kaUvGSLMew

This whole thing didn't really hit me until I heard him sing the line "In the kitchen, one more chair than you need". drat.

SamuraiFoochs posted:

I still think Reanimation was also really cool conceptually and I listened to it again like a year ago and it holds up surprisingly well for what it is IMO.

Legit their second best album. I actually don't even own Hybrid Theory due to some combination of me being "too cool" for it when it came out, and just never really feeling like I needed to get it because of all the radio play. But Reanimation blew me away. The best remix album of all time by a long shot. (Hell, it even had dubstep before dubstep was cool -- see "A Place For My Head".) It felt more like an "album" than almost anything else they've done.

The exception of course being A Thousand Suns. Anyone who hasn't listened to that, do it now. It's their artistic peak and showed that they really had a hell of a lot of creative juice in them. Even their worst stuff is really well-produced and has a lot of attention to detail and the way things sound -- but this is the album where it all comes together into something that is really, without qualifiers, great music.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

As a society we definitely want it both ways; when something like this happens we solemnly declare "It's true what they say, money and fame can't buy happiness" but when someone successful talks about depression we say "lol oh you poor celebrity, probably crying because you had to sell one of your yachts"

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Volkerball posted:

Slick and polished seems a weird descriptor when Chester had one of the most intense voices I've ever heard.

Surely on some level you must know what they're talking about though? Plus, even though Chester had an incredible scream, his voice was super polished for the melodic stuff. He could've been in a boy band if he wanted to.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Trying to prove that Linkin Park is actually hardcore is exactly the kind of thinking that led to The Hunting Party, which wasn't really a bad album, but it emphasized something that wasn't really the band's strength. Kind of like The Beatles trying to do a raw, stripped-down, "back to our roots" album with Let It Be. LP was at their best when they walked the fine line.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Volkerball posted:

I don't think a lot of people liked their stylistic change, not that there was something inherent to their music from the get go that rubbed people the wrong way. Their first album was really well received.

Your anecdotes are different from my anecdotes and nothing will change that, but for what it's worth, I've got craploads of anecdotal evidence that there was a big backlash against Hybrid Theory when it came out.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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SamuraiFoochs posted:

LP's music is far from beyond reproach and you can even think a lot of it is manufactured (though the fact that the band chose to release a remix album of all things as their second project is pretty goddamn innovative and original and it features guest spots from people associated with and/or who'd worked with and/or been members of Dilated Peoples, Orgy, Jurassic 5, The Roots, Freestyle Fellowship, Korn, Deftones, amazingly enough Flight of The Conchords and I'm sure others I'm forgetting) just shows the wide range of influences and aspects LP tried to work into their music. One thing you can never accuse Linkin Park of ever is being samey from album to album, and whether you think that's true artistry or just skill at working what's popular and/or being good at putting otherwise mediocre work into an extremely slick package is I suppose up for debate, but either way, holy poo poo the effort they put in to what they did is more than a lot of the other artists they get unfavorably compared to ever do.

Even before I "allowed" myself to like LP, the fact that they took so long to put out a second album instead of striking while the iron was hot made me think "hmm, these guys really care about what they do."


massive spider posted:

I find nu metal interesting because hip hop mixed with metal doesn't sound like fundamentally a horrible experiment in theory and yet it became known as one.

I've always felt like this was overstated, although maybe you just "had to be there" to understand how different it was at the time. Korn's first 2 albums definitely fit that description best, with the bass and percussion being more prominent than usual and the guitar doing all kinds of weird effects. (But they were not, of course, "rap metal".) But starting with Follow The Leader they were transitioning to more of what I'd call "alternative metal" with only a few hints of hip-hop. Sure, there were songs with guest rappers, but those weren't so much a new genre as they were one-off genre experiments. And most other artists in the subgenre followed suit. The "hip-hop influence" was mostly an image/culture thing rather than really being evident in the music.

Linkin Park probably had more hip-hop influence than any other rock band since then, but I'd say they dabbled more in electronica. They had rap, but that's a style of vocalization more than a style of music.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Ah. So it's come to this.

I too enjoyed the AV Club's reevaluation of Limp Bizkit. They really were like the "hair metal" of nu metal. At times, Durst's lyrics and delivery are too annoying to ignore; but for the most part, thanks to the always-solid instrumentation, it's usually fun music for when you're feeling belligerent about something. Which tends to happen less as I get older, but there are still moments here and there...

I actually really, legitimately liked The Unquestionable Truth Part 1 when it came out, and this was already long past the point where the band has become a joke. They shot themselves in the foot (as Durst was prone to do) by talking up Rage Against The Machine influences and stuff, and a few of the songs don't hold up -- I cringe when I hear the line "White kids who ain't white anymore" even though I don't think it was intended as some kind of alt-right thing. But most of it still sounds fantastic; Ross Robinson seems to have a golden touch when it comes to nu-metal, because the band sounded every bit as energetic as they did on Three Dollar Bill Y'all.

I never thought after Chocolate Starfish and whatever the hell the album after that was, they'd put out something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGednQsQ-h8

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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"DEDICATED TO YOU, BEN STILLER!
YOU ARE MY FAVORITE MOTHAFUKKA!"

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Puddle of Mudd would be Post-Grunge, right? I mean they came about 5 years after Kurt Cobain died and definitely wanted to be Nirvana, so I'd think they'd fit the bill. Anyway, they definitely had a handful of not-terrible songs.

The Muppets On PCP posted:

filk and contemporary christian are worse but red state radio rock is definitely up there

Well, "Contemporary Christian" basically means "whatever was popular 5 years ago" so it's pretty nebulous.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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hypersleep posted:

I don't know what else is going on with most of the nu-metal bands. Slipknot and Disturbed apparently still exist somehow. I was never a Korn fan but I had a good laugh when they released a loving dubstep album. Talk about the stink of desperation.

Nah, I think The Stink of Desperation is the title of their next album.

The dubstep album was actually pretty good, save for a few facepalm lyrical moments. Obviously it's hard to consider it a "pure" Korn album since there are so many producers' hands in it, but at this point in their careers, "pure" left town a long time ago. This was at least something that sounded different from anything else, a real genre fusion experiment rather than half-hearted "dubstep influences".

The 2 albums after that have been the most dire of their career by far, though. Head actually came back, but you can't even tell because it's so overproduced it somehow sounds more mechanical than the dubstep album. Beyond that though, the songwriting has gone off a cliff. It's just lifeless and generic. They obviously peaked a long time ago, but until the last 2 albums I've always found just enough interesting stuff on each album.

The one they eye-rollingly called Korn III, produced by Ross Robinson, was actually just on the verge of simultaneously recapturing their old energy and pushing them to new places. But they never quite got there.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

They never printed their lyrics, so most of what's on lyric sites is pure guesswork. I'm pretty sure those are wrong. I don't suppose the real lyrics are much better though.

(For example though, "I'm not the time" in the above lyrics is actually just the word "anesthetize" repeated again)

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Is there any sentence that produces more mixed feelings than...

"So, Stone Temple Pilots have released a new song."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9wln-KgIeA

There's nothing wrong with it I suppose. Unless you count the "babby's first graphic design" cover art.

If you can't listen right now but you're just dying to know: yes, the new singer is doing a mid-period Scott Weiland impression.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

I think it's broadly any band that sounds kind of grungey but started (or started in earnest) after Nirvana was already popular.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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New Stone Temple Pilots is out. Which describes both the general facts of the album and its title. (Yes, their last album was also self-titled.)

It was good background music that basically sounded like STP. Didn't reach out and grab my attention much. So it goes.


Also -- I guess this is kinda the place to talk about grunge type stuff in general, and the Chris Cornell deadthread is locked... Anyway, this is a few weeks old now, but I listened to it again today and drat, does it pack a punch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06uzVCFsoE

It's Johnny Cash's words, but it's still dripping with implications, intentional or not.

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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Volkerball posted:

Also muse is gearing up for a new album. Their single is probably my favorite song from the last few albums combined, not that that's saying much. When I first heard the studio version I thought they kinda sucked the life out of it, and that it would be much better live. Definitely the case.

That's the case for Muse for a few albums at this point. I'm pretty sure they switched to completely overdubbed/triggered drums with The 2nd Law which certainly didn't help. Some of the rockier tracks on Drones that threatened to actually be listenable were neutered by the production. Almost as bad as the drum tracks on Metallica's last album.

I mean, it totally works for a spacey track like "Dead Inside" or pseudo-dubstep like "The Handler". But not so much when they're going for prog metal.

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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Interesting tidbits about SOAD:

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...3-years-699076/

The gist of it is: Serj was never even a really big fan of metal to begin with, and got disenchanted with the whole process of making SOAD records, earlier than most of us would've guessed. He barely even wanted to put out Mezmerize/Hypnotize and was often unhappy with the end result when he would bring his songs to the band. There was an attempt to end their "hiatus" at some point but it just never worked out.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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The Vines definitely have a lot of Nirvana influence (obviously), but the resulting sound isn't really "Post-Grunge" somehow.

I like them more than most people do. I think their first album got overhyped as the savior of Rock & Roll and then there was an inevitable backlash. All they really did was solid rock music that didn't reinvent the wheel, but had a really great sense of melody. I stuck with them through their 4th album which was independently released, but the one after that didn't really grab me, I guess I felt like they finally ran out of ideas.

Having a song called "Autumn Shade [#]" on almost every album is the weirdest gimmick, but it's a pretty drat good series of songs regardless.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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drat, I'm seeing reports all over that Jonathan Davis's wife died. That's awful. I hadn't followed much about Korn or their members lately, but apparently there was a lot of bad stuff going on there. She was in and out of rehab and he filed a restraining order against her.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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Is this still the best place to talk about Muse? Because they've got a new album coming out!



Hey, why is everyone just looking around nervously instead of being excited?

https://twitter.com/muse/status/1035170111768997891


  1. Algorithm
  2. The Dark Side
  3. Pressure
  4. Propaganda
  5. Break It To Me
  6. Something Human
  7. Thought Contagion
  8. Get Up and Fight
  9. Blockades
  10. Dig Down
  11. The Void


Haha wow. It looks like maybe, just maybe, they're finally going all-in on the goofiness. None of the tracks released so far have been especially interesting, but it's gotta be better than Drones, right?

I'm kinda shocked that "Dig Down" made the tracklist, though. I thought that was a crappy B-side that they threw at the Blade Runner soundtrack just because. Unless they've reworked it, that doesn't bode well...

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Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

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That's why you are banned from Starbucks

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