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Errant Gin Monks
Oct 2, 2009

"Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch
:hawksin:

Skwirl posted:

They show up with a full and you give them an empty? Nice.

Yep. It’s a fantastic system

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King of False Promises
Jul 31, 2000



I have a bar a two minute walk from me that is selling its draft beer at $10/container no matter the size (within reason) and all cans/bottles for $1. So I get a 64oz growler filled with 7.5% local IPA and a four-pack of tallboys for $14 and then tip well. Without doing this, they'd be sitting on aging kegs and getting absolutely no income.

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
Maybe we should get to vote which restaurants get to stay open with some government subsidies and which ones die. Like we can vote for restaurants that make good food, pay workers well, contribute to our culture, doing new things, feed our most vulnerable.

Let's make Applebees illegal too.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

droll posted:

Maybe we should get to vote which restaurants get to stay open with some government subsidies and which ones die. Like we can vote for restaurants that make good food, pay workers well, contribute to our culture


90% of restaurants are going to close ALREADY, jeez

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth
Maybe they should if they don't meet that criteria. The issue isn't propping up bad restaurants as abusive jobs programs for exploited workers.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

droll posted:

Maybe they should if they don't meet that criteria.

:thejoke:

bloody ghost titty
Oct 23, 2008

tHROW SOME D"s ON THAT BIZNATCH

droll posted:

restaurants as abusive jobs programs for exploited workers.

The Restaurant Thread: Abusive Jobs Programs got Exploited Workers

Checks out.

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Dining hall life is real bizarre right now. A small number of students were basically stranded here (many from China) so we're feeding them takeout. Other than that, we're just feeding ourselves. Cleaned every square inch of everything twice. Took apart and re-assembled every machine. Sharpened every blade.

It's cool we're getting paid but since I really don't see in-person class beginning in the fall, I'm guessing we'll get furloughed and let go since I'm certain the school wants to reduce staff.

I really don't like coming to an air conditioned building with 50 guys every day, though. Are they all keeping safe at home? Who knows? Several forget to wear their masks all the time.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Animal-Mother posted:

Several forget to wear their masks all the time.

as a partner to an immunocompromised person i want to scream extremely loud at anyone who takes their mask off occasionally or exposes their nose

that's also everyone who isn't me tho so uhhh

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
This piece of poo poo is in trouble again, surprise:

https://www.phillymag.com/foobooz/2020/04/30/matt-swartz-irs/

Local restaurant fraud whose business model was to open a place, stiff the staff, walk away from the bills, and repeat. At one point when the city wouldn't renew his liquor license because of unpaid back taxes he simply forged the renewal notice and put it up in the window. At another point he was importing beer from a contract brewer in Virginia by just sending down a rental truck and loading it up with kegs; the Virginia ABC raided the brewer and made them dump all of his beer. At another point he had one of his employees as his parole officer.

Turns out now that all of the money he was withholding from employee paychecks at his most famous restaurant? He was never actually remitting it to the IRS and just keeping it for himself.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Phanatic posted:

This piece of poo poo is in trouble again, surprise:

https://www.phillymag.com/foobooz/2020/04/30/matt-swartz-irs/

Local restaurant fraud whose business model was to open a place, stiff the staff, walk away from the bills, and repeat. At one point when the city wouldn't renew his liquor license because of unpaid back taxes he simply forged the renewal notice and put it up in the window. At another point he was importing beer from a contract brewer in Virginia by just sending down a rental truck and loading it up with kegs; the Virginia ABC raided the brewer and made them dump all of his beer. At another point he had one of his employees as his parole officer.

Turns out now that all of the money he was withholding from employee paychecks at his most famous restaurant? He was never actually remitting it to the IRS and just keeping it for himself.

How the gently caress do people get away with this poo poo for so long and other people get completely hosed when they miss one payment on one thing?

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

Skwirl posted:

How the gently caress do people get away with this poo poo for so long and other people get completely hosed when they miss one payment on one thing?

Likely has to do with the amount of money they have.

Shabadu
Jul 18, 2003

rain dance


Went on furlough starting Monday, got called by the boss today to talk about re-opening up under takeout 3 days a week starting the 20th.

How do I explain to them that I'd make more under UI and the 600 than by working 12 hours a week without sounding like a dick? I'm also not entirely sure that I couldn't just work part time and still collect the remainder from UI. This is all very strange to me considering I've worked for this club for 15 years and forget how to unemployment.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

Shabadu posted:

Went on furlough starting Monday, got called by the boss today to talk about re-opening up under takeout 3 days a week starting the 20th.

How do I explain to them that I'd make more under UI and the 600 than by working 12 hours a week without sounding like a dick? I'm also not entirely sure that I couldn't just work part time and still collect the remainder from UI. This is all very strange to me considering I've worked for this club for 15 years and forget how to unemployment.

You should look up your state's track record for UI payments. I'm in Florida and haven't seen a dime since applying in mid March.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Skwirl posted:

How the gently caress do people get away with this poo poo for so long and other people get completely hosed when they miss one payment on one thing?

The government* is slow and not very proactive about collecting, while private lenders/landlords are vicious and proactive.

*city state and federal in my experience

Shabadu
Jul 18, 2003

rain dance


MA is pretty good about it, applied Monday and got the determination back today with instructions for claiming each week. I think I'll get deducted from the base value for part time hours, then I get the child and covid 600 on top of that, but I have absolutely no clue until I can claim for this week next Sunday.

Sandwich Anarchist
Sep 12, 2008

Shabadu posted:

MA is pretty good about it, applied Monday and got the determination back today with instructions for claiming each week. I think I'll get deducted from the base value for part time hours, then I get the child and covid 600 on top of that, but I have absolutely no clue until I can claim for this week next Sunday.

For perspective, when I say I haven't seen a dime since mid March, that is because the site has been down since then. I can't even apply or check the status.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?

Shabadu posted:

Went on furlough starting Monday, got called by the boss today to talk about re-opening up under takeout 3 days a week starting the 20th.

How do I explain to them that I'd make more under UI and the 600 than by working 12 hours a week without sounding like a dick? I'm also not entirely sure that I couldn't just work part time and still collect the remainder from UI. This is all very strange to me considering I've worked for this club for 15 years and forget how to unemployment.

Assuming your state has its poo poo together, you'll still get the $600 even if you only get $1 from the state due to earnings. I did it for a few weeks until my boss got a PPE loan and realized it pretty much mostly had to go to payroll and just started tacking on $600 to the servers paychecks to cover it.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
eleven madison park thinking about staying closed https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-05/one-of-the-world-s-best-restaurants-might-not-reopen-its-doors

Errant Gin Monks
Oct 2, 2009

"Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch
:hawksin:

Sandwich Anarchist posted:

For perspective, when I say I haven't seen a dime since mid March, that is because the site has been down since then. I can't even apply or check the status.

Yeah but you are in Florida. Rick Scott designed the system to not work. It keeps people off the unemployment rolls if they can’t actually sign up.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Skwirl posted:

I wonder if the states that have recently allowed to go liquor sales are gonna try and take it back when we get closer to normal, and if they'll be able too. I don't see it happening, because even when restaurants are allowed to re-open to full capacity I'm betting take out orders are still going to be a much, much bigger portion of their revenue for a long time than in the past.

I sincerely doubt liquor laws will go back to normal any time soon. Something to keep in mind is that every state right now is desperately afraid of more people losing their jobs - not just because of unemployment numbers, but also the lost tax base. If you can keep even 10k people employed that's a lot of businesses still paying taxes, that's a lot of people still paying taxes (whether sales or income). States are holding on by their fingernails right now and will bend over backwards to keep established businesses operating in any way they can.

The more interesting change is going to be whether this forces a change in minimum wage laws - right now I'd bet most people who eat out or get takeaway are tipping well, but will that stay the same as things open back up? Will takeout dominate the market - and since many people (if not most) undertip or don't tip on takeout, this could drive bottom up change there.

Mithross
Apr 27, 2011

Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.
Here in Northern California they allowed restaurants to reopen at half capacity, which was already a death sentence... then the first night they were open the ABC went to every restaurant and told them the alcohol sales portion of the lockdown had not been lifted and they would be fined and lose their license if they continued to serve.

So now we have restaurants that are allowed to open at half capacity but not sell alcohol, meaning they will be able to pull in what, 20% normal revenue? Yes everything is fine now.

This is unrelated but also we had a city open it's mall yesterday. I feel like this is all going to go well and none of this is rushed.

The Maestro
Feb 21, 2006

Mithross posted:

Here in Northern California they allowed restaurants to reopen at half capacity, which was already a death sentence... then the first night they were open the ABC went to every restaurant and told them the alcohol sales portion of the lockdown had not been lifted and they would be fined and lose their license if they continued to serve.

So now we have restaurants that are allowed to open at half capacity but not sell alcohol, meaning they will be able to pull in what, 20% normal revenue? Yes everything is fine now.

This is unrelated but also we had a city open it's mall yesterday. I feel like this is all going to go well and none of this is rushed.

So is it that guests aren’t allowed to consume alcohol on premise, but you’re still allowed to sell alcohol to go?

Mithross
Apr 27, 2011

Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.

The Maestro posted:

So is it that guests aren’t allowed to consume alcohol on premise, but you’re still allowed to sell alcohol to go?

Correct

Carillon
May 9, 2014






Where in NorCal opened? I'm pretty sure the lifting in place didn't involve opening restaurants.

Mithross
Apr 27, 2011

Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.
Yuba, Sutter, and Colusa counties took the order that allowed them to relax conditions and decided instead to allow most things to reopen, ignoring the fact that as part of a state, people from less safe places will now drive here and mingle. I am anticipating another large outbreak that will keep me out of work past July when the extra unemployment runs out.

Edit: it’s worth noting that I live smack dab in the center of the red part of California, where Orange Man is king and can do no wrong, and every single law the state passes is leftist socialist bull crap, no matter what it is. There are regular long term signs about the “State of Jefferson” everywhere. This place is so red even moderates are shunned as leftist nut bags.

Mithross fucked around with this message at 23:17 on May 7, 2020

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Wine bar near me reopened yesterday, It's loving packed; some of the other hipster wine places had to close down for good no more than a week ago. They're operating with less staff, but it's a tiny space and people who can't get in are standing/sitting right outside. I spoke with the owner and they'll be able to weather another shut down if they're allowed to keep open out May, and people seem really desperate for the service, but I doubt it is in any way safe.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



I went out for lunch yesterday and the restaurant was as responsible as is possible. 1/4 tables had people at them, with solid spacing. Employees were all wearing masks. Even getting seated had social distancing in mind - you check in at the front when your whole party is there, then return to your car and they text you when they can seat you so parties don't intermingle. Whether the restrictions are good enough remains to be seen, but at least it was nice to see the restrictions enforced.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Nobody wears masks in my country. They'll wipe the bar down once in a while, and in theory people are meant to stay two meters apart, but that's pretty much the distance from the bar to the tables, never mind the tiny entrance. Even if people were careful, you still have wait staff carrying bottles trays back and forth between them and people going to the restroom. The place is basically a tiny cozy cottage, and not really dimensioned for social distancing. I dunno what to think. It's hard to blame people for wanting to go out; this isolation is making people crazy.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme

Shooting Blanks posted:

right now I'd bet most people who eat out or get takeaway are tipping well

you would lose that bet

again anecdotal and maybe peculiar to where i work but delivery and call-in orders have autograt. online orders do not. zero tip for online is so common that it’s driving tip averages below 10%, generally around 6%

it sucks a lot and i’m p sure the only way we’re staying open was cutting our pay and hours in favor of tip sharing. on average i’m making more per hour but i’m working less hours and paying the taxes on my tips out of that reduced hourly so my paychecks are less than 1/3rd of what they used to be. it’s not super great!

Mithross
Apr 27, 2011

Intelligent and bright, they explored a world that was new and strange to them. They liked it, they thought - a whole world just for them! They were dimly aware that a God had created them, was watching them; they called out to him, thanking him in a chittering language, before running off.
In a move that surprises no one, we've already got people from more dangerous counties with higher infection rates just... driving hours and hours to come here and shop and mingle. We're really doing all we can to be the next big outbreak.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Skwirl posted:

How the gently caress do people get away with this poo poo for so long and other people get completely hosed when they miss one payment on one thing?

Dunno, long-established college bar here got hosed for it last year too, apparently they hadn't paid payroll or 90% of his sales taxes since 2016. They only caught on when they went to renew his liquor license.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Shooting Blanks posted:

I sincerely doubt liquor laws will go back to normal any time soon.

I hope this poo poo is the final nail in the much-deserved long-overdue coffin of the PLCB, but that thing's harder to kill than cancer. And less useful.

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
So we're opening up in a week or so. No idea yet what the requirements are, but we have a date. Was talking to the boss today and he agrees its stupid, that people are going to die, etc, and he was still a little surprised when I said that I wanted us to wear masks not for the customer's sake, but for ours. WTF kind of people are coming out the week everything opens back up? Bad Social Distancers. Stupid people with more money than sense. I get that this is his business, and his income, and he's been doing really well by his staff, and honestly STL hasn't been hit as hard as many places, but man....

In other news, help me think of reasons to give him for why if we switch to prix fixe only, we need to put it on the website (got that far at least), but we also need to put the prices up. He says that if he puts his prices up people are going to copy him (wtf this is also why we didn't have a menu online until we had to for curbside to go). He thinks that the fact that everyone in the city has kind of agreed on the same curbside hours is proof that everyone is copying him. He copied pretty much all of our hours and pseudo-grocery idea from other people. He also believes in conspiracy theories so if someone has a good one about how putting the prices online protects us from the aliens that built the pyramids that would be great.

edit: our menu he is worried about people copying is loving standard rear end italian. Like someone's gonna rip off his amazing idea of chicken marsala.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
There's a reason people who run their own business don't work for anyone else, and it usually isn't because they're great at running their own business.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Skwirl posted:

There's a reason people who run their own business don't work for anyone else, and it usually isn't because they're great at running their own business.

~~entrepreneur~~

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Skwirl posted:

There's a reason people who run their own business don't work for anyone else, and it usually isn't because they're great at running their own business.

Embroider that on a sampler and hang it in the sitting room, because it's a truth for the ages.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
I went back to the wine bar today and I will say that they did their best to follow the law to the letter, the people working there are good people doing their best in the circumstances, but I am pretty sure it's not going to be all that effective.

SHVPS4DETH
Mar 19, 2009

seen so much i'm going blind
and i'm brain-dead virtually





Ramrod XTreme
anyone else working at a place with curbside in a state attempting partial reopening notice a HUGE DROP in sales this week?

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Doom Rooster
Sep 3, 2008

Pillbug
Texas here, and we've been steady. In Austin though, so probably a more lefty, not planning on actually going to dine in yet populous anyway.

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