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Just from No Reservations and Heat, it's clear that Batali is an egomaniac and a functional addict. That's why his name immediately popped in my head.
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Trebuchet King posted:well, it’s batali: Ugh... Not Mario.
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Well this news sucks, as I've watched a lot of Batali's cooking shows on TV and youtube and unequivocally incorporate much of his advice to this very day. There truly are no heroes.
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I'm saddened but not surprised by this news. Heroes don't exist.
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As soon as I saw that tweet I knew it was Batali. gently caress.
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If it turns out Chef John is like a child sex slave ringleader in his spare time or something I don't think I could take this world anymore.
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Skwirl posted:Thankfully I live in California so our laws would take precedent, but Jesus Christ that'd probably gently caress over a lot of people in the midwest. Here's the actual proposed rule change: https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2017-25802.pdf quote:The Department of Labor (Department) is proposing to rescind portions of its tip So first off this doesn't affect most servers at all, only those that actually get directly paid an hourly wage that's higher than the minimum wage. If it's like most restaurants and they get an hourly wage that's lower than the minimum, tip pooling was allowed by law, but limited to only those employees that customarily received tips. The proposed rule is that in a case where the employer's paying that staff higher than the minimum wage directly, now it can tip pool and include employees that don't customarily receive tips. The proposed rule is also a walkback of a previous rule that multiple courts have ruled the Department of Labor didn't have the authority to make. quote:The Department has taken into account the changed landscape and extensive litigation since Wroughtirony posted:Lest anyone is confused, $7.25/hr is nowhere near a living wage anywhere in the US, and that would be the wage at which employers could begin to take tips away to "redistribute" them. They can do that now, they just can't do it and distribute the money to BOH.
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Field Mousepad posted:As soon as I saw that tweet I knew it was Batali. gently caress. Don't forget he used to have noted terrible person Anne Burrell as his sous on ICA. Really, after reading Heat, this coming out about him was just a matter of time.
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The Midniter posted:I'm saddened but not surprised by this news. Heroes don't exist. it's insanely easy to not sexually assault people
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considering the prevailing atmosphere in most kitchens it almost feels like cheating to single out one dude, like "oh THIS guy? we got him! we got that one remarkable chef who's been sexually assaulting people suboordinate to him!" Like, okay, sure: Groping is bad. Creeping on people is bad. It needs to be called out as a bad thing, as is being done. So what about the time I'm on day 3 of a new gig, walk up to see my station pitted and shitted for the third day in a row, hunt down the chef to have a word over it and catch him having an intimate moment in dry storage with the cook whose unwillingness/inability to wipe down a countertop suddenly made a lot more sense? The entire industry's attitude needs to be reformed with napalm. Lets not pretend everyone ITT doesn't have more examples of lovely harasssing behavior than they got fingers to count 'em on.
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that opinion is 100% transferrable to Hollywood or politics or whatever else, btw. It's a good thing that big examples are being called out and shamed, but there's a lot of far more egregious stuff that still flies under the radar because the harasser isn't literally Harvey Weinstein and the story of such isn't as good clickbait for news articles or twitter ratio and such. The reason it seems all these big names are doing dirt is because when they were small-to-middling names that poo poo was and remains drat near obligatory
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JawKnee posted:it's insanely easy to not sexually assault people You're absolutely right, but with fame and the massive amounts of ego owned by the types of people who achieve such fame, it seems to be all too common and is no longer surprising. I'll know that our society has reached its tipping point when Anderson Cooper is accused of sexual harassment.
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Willie Tomg posted:that opinion is 100% transferrable to Hollywood or politics or whatever else, btw. It's a good thing that big examples are being called out and shamed, but there's a lot of far more egregious stuff that still flies under the radar because the harasser isn't literally Harvey Weinstein and the story of such isn't as good clickbait for news articles or twitter ratio and such. The reason it seems all these big names are doing dirt is because when they were small-to-middling names that poo poo was and remains drat near obligatory It can create an atmosphere where more people are willing to come out, Like I'm sure there's still a lot of abusers in Hollywood, but because of the Weinstein story , other people came forward about Kevin Spacey and Brett Ratner and others. I'm betting part of the reason Batali's accusers came forward is because they saw that one New Orleans restaurateur actually face consequences for all the horrendous poo poo going on in his restaurants.
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Timby posted:Don't forget he used to have noted terrible person Anne Burrell as his sous on ICA. Wait, what has Burrell done?
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I can still like Jacques Pepin, right? He's like the Mr Rogers of cooks
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Skwirl posted:It can create an atmosphere where more people are willing to come out, Like I'm sure there's still a lot of abusers in Hollywood, but because of the Weinstein story , other people came forward about Kevin Spacey and Brett Ratner and others. I'm betting part of the reason Batali's accusers came forward is because they saw that one New Orleans restaurateur actually face consequences for all the horrendous poo poo going on in his restaurants. Definitely, yes. It's really important! I guess I'm just frustrated by that liminal space after a few high profile cases get exposure, but before broad cultural and institutional change has truly begun to get underway as people  about things they've known have been issues for years.
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Willie Tomg posted:The reason it seems all these big names are doing dirt is because when they were small-to-middling names that poo poo was and remains drat near obligatory I am with you, but I gotta re-characterize that last statement. “Obligatory” is closer to “permitted” by which I mean “not actively discouraged by terminations for acts that range from tasteless for a man in power to afflict on people without power to sexual assault”. I suggest the thread to this excellent framing of the “boys will be boys” culture people feel the need to excuse or distance themselves from- https://www.gq.com/story/mario-batali-harassment-response
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Willie Tomg posted:that poo poo was and remains drat near obligatory nah. should have had the loving courage to not be pieces of poo poo you're not a hero if you don't sexually assault someone, you're just being what a normal loving person should be The Midniter posted:You're absolutely right, but with fame and the massive amounts of ego owned by the types of people who achieve such fame, it seems to be all too common and is no longer surprising. power isn't a drug, these people were acting well within their right minds if that's all they were tripping on
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wait, what has Burrell done? Crimes against hair-doos e: Haircrimes and misdoomeanors Thumposaurus fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Dec 11, 2017 |
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The point of "singling out" any one guy is that "it's the whole culture" should never be an excuse for even one assault. One attacker out of a thousand facing consequences is better than zero out of a thousand. Every female chef I know has stories. Most of us have lots of stories. Some of them will break your heart, some of them will turn your stomach, and most of them don't ever get told unless we're talking to each other. In the past, the conversation that started with "the whole culture is hosed up" ended with "it will never change until there are real consequences." The introduction of real consequences is a step forward. We shouldn't wait until we manage to hold everyone accountable at once to start holding anyone accountable at all.
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As a man working front of house I hear stories from women working front of house about men in the kitchen and I never know what to do with the information. I encourage them to talk to management (though at some places I've worked I know that would have been useless) and there's been times I've wanted to talk to management but I couldn't because it would have been betraying a friend's trust. Also, and this is a very minor gripe in the scheme of things, but (and I was happy to do this for my friends, even though it's annoying) I would do a certain portion of other people's side work because they didn't want to go into the walk-in when certain people were in the kitchen. Edit: I'm not trying to single out BOH, probably FOH women aren't as willing to share horrible stories about FOH men with other FOH men, but I'm sure those exist. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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How apropos: Just got done talking with an overnight dishwasher who's getting harassed by male coworkers at night AND getting her schedule hosed with. Time to see how toothy the HR department is. Faaaaaaannnnntastic. boys are just gross as hell Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Dec 12, 2017 |
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We've had a FoH being sexually assaulted by a customer. There are regulars who we make sure the FoH women don't have to deal with because they are serial pests. e: the person who did the assault is banned. The regulars unfortunately don't cross the threshold set by my boss for banning (yet).
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I’ve constantly had my servers complain to me in private but are scared to tell because management tends to back each other. We even once went as far as providing proof that one manager was going into the till (video evidence) and taking the bartenders tips when she was out for a smoke, and they still stood by him. I can understand why a lot of staff are scared to bring up issues in a climate like that.
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it's almost like hospitality is poo poo and there is a toxic undercurrent of loving your staff (figuratively and literally), and society generally gives no shits because all they want is the best food at the lowest price in the shortest amount of time.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wait, what has Burrell done? Verbally abused the poo poo out of her female employees to the point they sued her.
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virinvictus posted:I’ve constantly had my servers complain to me in private but are scared to tell because management tends to back each other. We even once went as far as providing proof that one manager was going into the till (video evidence) and taking the bartenders tips when she was out for a smoke, and they still stood by him. Why on earth would you keep working someplace where management is openly stealing from workers?
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Liquid Communism posted:Why on earth would you keep working someplace where management is openly stealing from workers? Because sometimes the only other option is not having money for rent or food. Capitalism sucks.
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Skwirl posted:Because sometimes the only other option is not having money for rent or food. Capitalism sucks.
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Living in Northern Ontario kinda sucks, lol.
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Having a shared antagonist in the weather provides a sense of community and solidarity in opposition to The Long Night.
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( I kinda don't miss needing an antisuicide lamp to get past late January though)
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virinvictus posted:Living in Northern Ontario kinda sucks, lol. As someone in Texas who just got snow for the first time in over a decade: 
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Tezcatlipoca posted:As someone in Texas who just got snow for the first time in over a decade: Meanwhile it’s 65 degrees in December in the Colorado mountains
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Hauki posted:Meanwhile it’s 65 degrees in December in the Colorado mountains It feels like 90 here in LA
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Another one: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/12/dining/ken-friedman-sexual-harassment.html
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The industry is gonna be shook up, that much is certain.
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virinvictus posted:The industry is gonna be shook up, that much is certain. The industry isn't a handful of celebrity chefs. The industry is hotels and Compass Group, etc.
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Chef De Cuisinart posted:The industry isn't a handful of celebrity chefs. The industry is hotels and Compass Group, etc. I meant I hope that it pushes servers and cooks to actually report this s*** going down rather than whispering about it over prep tables.
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