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emoji
Jun 4, 2004


lol

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

I GET REALLY MAD WHEN I AM TOLD THAT MY POSTS ARE WORTHLESS GARBAGE AND ACT LIKE A PEDANTIC FUCKWIT WHEN CALLED OUT ON IT

I ALSO HUFF MY OWN FARTS


surprising how much software queries the os for the correct way to localize numbers, and then proceed to interpret them incorrectly themselves

excel csv import is especially maddening, i don't think i've ever seen a csv actually localized to use commas as decimal marks, except possibly as exported from excel

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

I COULDN'T EVEN PLAY ONE TURN OF THE YOSPOS SMAC PBEM GAME AND ALL I GOT WAS A NERVE STAPLING AND THIS SHITTY TEXT!


EUgh

pram
Jun 10, 2001


mate

pram
Jun 10, 2001


$1.000,00 dollary-doos

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

pram posted:

$1.000,00 dollary-doos

an un-deece six figgys

lancemantis
Sep 14, 2007




Fun Shoe

wasn't there some dude that wanted to screw around with this functionality in a .NET lib at some point and got really mad about people crushing his dreams when they told him it was a dumb idea

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004



Lipstick Apathy

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006



Nap Ghost

RISCy Business
Jun 17, 2015

neon lights and beautiful sights


Fun Shoe

its poo poo op

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!



Pillbug

lancemantis posted:

wasn't there some dude that wanted to screw around with this functionality in a .NET lib at some point and got really mad about people crushing his dreams when they told him it was a dumb idea

almost certainly, .net people have dumb ideas as a rule

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

oh! i have slipped the surly bonds of earth ... put out my paw, and touched the face of meow

SAP uses the decimal as a comma out-of-the-box, about half of our US customers are smart enough to fix it.

Of those, about 1/2 will only fix it some/most of the time. It only occasionally causes problems but it looks damnably sloppy.

pram
Jun 10, 2001



hosed up!

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

oh! i have slipped the surly bonds of earth ... put out my paw, and touched the face of meow

pram posted:

hosed up!

Proof that the Germans really did win the war.

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.


you know who used a comma as a decimal mark?



that's right



wide stance
Jan 28, 2011

If there's more than one way to do a job, and one of those ways will result in disaster, then he will do it that way.


Comma as a decimal is a special form of hideousness.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004



Lipstick Apathy

the russians just wrote dollars and cents

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

no good or respectable restaurant offers gift cards


can you explain what sap does? i havent been able to figure it out

lancemantis
Sep 14, 2007




Fun Shoe

A bunch of boring backoffice poo poo

OldAlias
Nov 2, 2013

I COULDN'T EVEN PLAY ONE TURN OF THE YOSPOS SMAC PBEM GAME AND ALL I GOT WAS A NERVE STAPLING AND THIS SHITTY TEXT!


saps capital

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004



Lipstick Apathy

mishaq posted:

can you explain what sap does? i havent been able to figure it out

you sap my will to live, etc etc

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



mishaq posted:

can you explain what sap does? i havent been able to figure it out

you know those internal business applications that are horrible and unmaintanable yet somehow mission critical?

SAP figured out a way to make money off of them

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

no good or respectable restaurant offers gift cards

qirex posted:

you know those internal business applications that are horrible and unmaintanable yet somehow mission critical?

SAP figured out a way to make money off of them

this still doesnt answer my question

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

I GET REALLY MAD WHEN I AM TOLD THAT MY POSTS ARE WORTHLESS GARBAGE AND ACT LIKE A PEDANTIC FUCKWIT WHEN CALLED OUT ON IT

I ALSO HUFF MY OWN FARTS


mishaq posted:

can you explain what sap does? i havent been able to figure it out

when there is a job to be done and it requires materials from two different warehouses and someone to be called in to transport the materials from one of them (and picking it up makes the number in reserve fall below the required number so a purchase also needs to get made) and some extra money billed because a key person is required to work a bit of overtime and everything needs to be summed up and taxed at a different rate because it falls under a certain category of energy saving maintenance there would historically be about 47 forms to fill out and juggle all over the company to keep it together. SAP ups that to 47,000 virtual forms, but does actually do all the juggling and approval-tracking and binding all of it together

tbqh the main problem with explaining sap is that it sort of on a basic level amounts to being an sql database with a ton of code on top serving as defaults for various paperwork tasks, and what parts of that actually gets used depends entirely on the structure of your organization

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006



Nap Ghost

also any user facing component is terrible

Asymmetric POSTer
Aug 17, 2005

no good or respectable restaurant offers gift cards

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

when there is a job to be done and it requires materials from two different warehouses and someone to be called in to transport the materials from one of them (and picking it up makes the number in reserve fall below the required number so a purchase also needs to get made) and some extra money billed because a key person is required to work a bit of overtime and everything needs to be summed up and taxed at a different rate because it falls under a certain category of energy saving maintenance there would historically be about 47 forms to fill out and juggle all over the company to keep it together. SAP ups that to 47,000 virtual forms, but does actually do all the juggling and approval-tracking and binding all of it together

tbqh the main problem with explaining sap is that it sort of on a basic level amounts to being an sql database with a ton of code on top serving as defaults for various paperwork tasks, and what parts of that actually gets used depends entirely on the structure of your organization

so instead of writing bastardized enterprise garbage applications to do this myself, i can pay for sap software that claims to do this for me, but i have to spend even more time either learning how to develop in sap myself or hiring outside firms to customize it for me, costing even more money

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

mishaq posted:

so instead of writing bastardized enterprise garbage applications to do this myself, i can pay for sap software that claims to do this for me, but i have to spend even more time either learning how to develop in sap myself or hiring outside firms to customize it for me, costing even more money

Yes. This applies to all ERP software.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



thebigcow posted:

Yes. This applies to all ERP software.

p much, it's like the super 8-dimensional hell venn overlap of business software, it services and all your company's dumb processes

lancemantis
Sep 14, 2007




Fun Shoe

SAP:

lancemantis
Sep 14, 2007




Fun Shoe

at a previous company I was at they were doing a huge like 1.5+ year project to migrate to SAP and I ran into some of the poor new hires that were basically going to be BPEL slaves to do maintenance after they finished up with the big offshore consulting company that would do a lot of the work

the only really amazing thing that happened was they actually managed to complete the migration

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

oh! i have slipped the surly bonds of earth ... put out my paw, and touched the face of meow

mishaq posted:

can you explain what sap does? i havent been able to figure it out

Every night since I started here I cry myself to sleep while silently screaming this question at the uncaring ceiling.


Cybernetic Vermin posted:

when there is a job to be done and it requires materials from two different warehouses and someone to be called in to transport the materials from one of them (and picking it up makes the number in reserve fall below the required number so a purchase also needs to get made) and some extra money billed because a key person is required to work a bit of overtime and everything needs to be summed up and taxed at a different rate because it falls under a certain category of energy saving maintenance there would historically be about 47 forms to fill out and juggle all over the company to keep it together. SAP ups that to 47,000 virtual forms, but does actually do all the juggling and approval-tracking and binding all of it together

tbqh the main problem with explaining sap is that it sort of on a basic level amounts to being an sql database with a ton of code on top serving as defaults for various paperwork tasks, and what parts of that actually gets used depends entirely on the structure of your organization

But this, more-or-less, I think?

I dunno man, I just provision the servers.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004



Lipstick Apathy

how about splashing out for a caring ceiling you cut price mother fucker

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

Other ERP problems:

Companies that won't change their process to match how the software works. They either do a bunch of extra work for no good reason, or pay for "customization" which breaks on every other update of the base software.

lancemantis
Sep 14, 2007




Fun Shoe

that's a problem with all companies/people and computers

Stick Insect
Oct 24, 2010

My enemies are many.

My equals are none.


My online bank lets me type a period, because it's conveniently on the numpad. It then autocorrects to a comma.


Also

Nevermind, that guy's also got dumb hair. And is a nazi too.

Where'd the one go with the crying windmill?

Mr SuperAwesome
Apr 6, 2011

im from the bad post police, and i'm afraid i have bad news


here it's inconsistently a comma or a decimal point to denote the decimal boundary. hosed up but true. supermarket website uses point, bank uses comma

altho i honestly dont really care either way. it was a bit weird at first when i moved here but now i'm used to it

Displeased Moo Cow
Jun 15, 2009

Office Worker

qirex
Feb 15, 2001



a lot of financial applications are set up to only accept input including the decimal, so to get $200.00 you need to type 20000 and it reformats it in the field

There Will Be Penalty
May 18, 2002

Makes a great pet!

forms should only accept " and 99/100" suffix like you write on checks just to be on the safe side

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Symbolic Butt
Mar 22, 2009

(_!_)


Buglord

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green ftw

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