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Cell does have a personality though, and I'm not just displacing Dragon Ball Abridged into my memories again. Kind of a point is he shows a lot of the worst traits of his genetic components; Goku's fight-happy attitude, Vegeta's pride and arrogance, both the Saiyans' challenge-seeking, Freiza's sadism and tendency to throw tantrums when things don't go his way, etc.
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People want nice, fun Cell from the lazy cashgrab videogames, not sadistic monster Cell from the series those games are supposedly based on. Short memories mean that the most recent iteration is "at least he has a personality now".
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May 31, 2020 13:30
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Cell does have a personality though, and I'm not just displacing Dragon Ball Abridged into my memories again. Kind of a point is he shows a lot of the worst traits of his genetic components; Goku's fight-happy attitude, Vegeta's pride and arrogance, both the Saiyans' challenge-seeking, Freiza's sadism and tendency to throw tantrums when things don't go his way, etc. There's the problem though, outside of an arc actually about the Z Fighters worst traits being externalised to fight them there's no reason for Cell to exist, he's just a lovely composite of better characters and the only person he has any real grudge with is now a narratively inert side character
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May 31, 2020 14:24
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sassassin posted:People want nice, fun Cell from the lazy cashgrab videogames, not sadistic monster Cell from the series those games are supposedly based on. Short memories mean that the most recent iteration is "at least he has a personality now". you've got a fair point but I don't know if I'd count Xenoverse as lazy, they're still updating that motherfucker almost 4 years out. There's another content update soon
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May 31, 2020 19:57
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How the gently caress did Dr. Gero get Freeza's cells if he didn't follow them to Namek? Is this because Freeza attacked Earth in the original timeline? Does that mean the new timeline's Cell, which was aborted, was weaker? Actually, weird idea. What if there was no heart virus? Goku never dies of a heart virus in the original timeline so they never need time travel. 17 and 18 are their main bad guys but they also never trained extra. But, they got Goku so they aren't immediately decimated.
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May 31, 2020 21:47
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Covok posted:How the gently caress did Dr. Gero get Freeza's cells if he didn't follow them to Namek? Is this because Freeza attacked Earth in the original timeline? Does that mean the new timeline's Cell, which was aborted, was weaker? The bugs that were collecting DNA for Cell, grabbed Freeza and King Cold's Cells after their deaths on Earth. Which happened in all Timelines.
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May 31, 2020 21:54
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Covok posted:How the gently caress did Dr. Gero get Freeza's cells if he didn't follow them to Namek? Is this because Freeza attacked Earth in the original timeline? Does that mean the new timeline's Cell, which was aborted, was weaker? Freeza died on Earth in both timelines from what we know. It's not hard to get pieces from his corpse. The second part is hard to say because the Androids in Trunk's timeline are weaker than the ones in the main timeline. The main reason they won is because they were two super strong beings while the strongest the heroes had was Vegeta.
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May 31, 2020 21:59
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In a hypothetical no Heart Virus timeline, Vegeta probably wouldn't be SSJ since he'd never have the drive to do so with a random SSJ showing up to spur him on. But Goku wouldn't slack off much either. In theory Goku in his prime could hold his own well enough against the Androids- Gohan did for a while. This could also lead to Vegeta unlocking SSJ and maybe Gohan as well. Goku not being crippled means that the future would probably be dire but not Trunks Bad and they'd overcome pretty easily.
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May 31, 2020 22:39
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Burkion posted:In a hypothetical no Heart Virus timeline, Vegeta probably wouldn't be SSJ since he'd never have the drive to do so with a random SSJ showing up to spur him on. And, even if it was "dire", they could always wish everyone back with the Dragonballs. The big issue is that it's a big question if they'd ever reach Super Sayain 2. Cell takes twenty years to mature so he wouldn't awaken at that time. Maybe never awaken since Cell could be discovered and destroyed by the Z-Fighters while fighting Android 17 and 18. So, when Dabura comes around, they boned.
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Still makes me wonder how things went down in the original timeline. It was pretty clear Gero's been observing the characters the whole time and kept up with how powerful they seemed to become and their movements, and likely first thing he did on spotting Freiza and King Cold was send the robo-mosquitos to gather DNA samples. Could possibly be that after the heart virus killed Goku, Gero got cocky and/or bored and continued experimenting on 17 and 18 until they broke out and killed him, which might be a reason why their attitudes in that timeline are so much more violent and amoral. That and the remaining Z fighters might have gotten more violent and desperate with Goku gone, since they don't have him to rely on to pull their asses out of the fire, and made a worse first impression on them.
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Main timeline Gero didn't know about SSJ, so it's fair to say he didn't see first hand the fight with Freeza/Cold either. Gero just looked at Saiyan saga Goku/Vegeta, decided to turn up the power just a wee bit and ended up with half a dozen androids/cyborgs capable of taking over the galaxy.
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"I didn't see any reason to have my spy drone follow you to Namek. However, I figured I might as well incorporate the alien DNA that conveniently wound up on Earth into Cell."
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Jun 1, 2020 16:45
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Eh, even if he did get a drone on one of the three ships (counting Vegeta’s pod) that made it to Namek, how would any DNA samples get back to earth? The only one to even leave Namek in a ship was Goku.
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Jun 1, 2020 19:25
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Blueberry Pancakes posted:"I didn't see any reason to have my spy drone follow you to Namek. However, I figured I might as well incorporate the alien DNA that conveniently wound up on Earth into Cell." He did not do that. He just set his computer to auto gather good materials for Cell.
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Jun 1, 2020 21:11
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I get the feeling this 'Gero' fella might not have had the best decision making skills.
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Jun 1, 2020 21:18
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You can say that, but his poo poo almost worked anyway so I mean At the end of the day, his decisions to relentlessly pursue Goku Death saved the multiverse
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Jun 1, 2020 21:35
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He also killed Goku
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Kild posted:He also killed Goku Thus saving the multiverse.
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Gero is basically the Lex Luthor of Dragon Ball; he could have revolutionised the world if he wanted to but was too petty and malicious, and does good by accident.
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Jun 2, 2020 06:16
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Not really that petty when you consider Goku killed his son
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Officially his son was just killed in action. No direct indication Goku did it.
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Jun 2, 2020 07:02
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Both he and his son were part of a Nazi PMC.
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MonsterEnvy posted:He did not do that. He just set his computer to auto gather good materials for Cell. Come on man, just leave him in the impression that Gero is back at home twiddling his joystick as he carefully maneuvers the bug close enough to harvest.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Both he and his son were part of a Nazi PMC. A "make a man with dwarfism tall" PMC actually.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Gero is basically the Lex Luthor of Dragon Ball; he could have revolutionised the world if he wanted to but was too petty and malicious, and does good by accident. ButIDon'tWantToCureCancer,IWantToMurderGoku.jpg
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Gero is basically the Lex Luthor of Dragon Ball; "When no one was looking, Dr. Gero built 20 androids. He built 20 androids. That's as many as two tens. And that's terrible."
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The way it breaks down is this. Bulma is the most successful scientist, when it comes to actually doing the poo poo she wanted to do. Gero is the greatest scientist in the multiverse with far more impressive accomplishments, he just can't succeed at the one thing he wants.
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Burkion posted:The way it breaks down is this. Bulma made a time machine, something not even the gods could do. Gero doesn't hold a candle to anything Bulma's done.
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Tribladeofchaos posted:Bulma made a time machine, something not even the gods could do. Gero doesn't hold a candle to anything Bulma's done. He saved the multiverse
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Jun 2, 2020 10:26
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I mean, Bulma tamed Vegeta. They woulda lost without Vegeta. Ergo, Bulma saved the multiverse too.
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Burkion posted:The way it breaks down is this. The one thing Dr. Gero wanted to do was killing Goku, which he succeeded at. That his creations then went and saved the multiverse was a nice bonus on top of it. Tribladeofchaos posted:Bulma made a time machine, something not even the gods could do. Gero doesn't hold a candle to anything Bulma's done. Future Bulma did that though. Present Bulma was not allowed to.
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Homora Gaykemi posted:"When no one was looking, Dr. Gero built 20 androids. He built 20 androids. That's as many as two tens. And that's terrible." I appreciates this
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Blaze Dragon posted:The one thing Dr. Gero wanted to do was killing Goku, which he succeeded at. That his creations then went and saved the multiverse was a nice bonus on top of it. Gero in no way killed Goku. Gero did not invent high cholesterol nor did he make Goku gently caress up the final battle and have to take an L.
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MorningMoon posted:Gero in no way killed Goku. Gero did not invent high cholesterol nor did he make Goku gently caress up the final battle and have to take an L. I mean he invented Cell who blew up Goku, so...
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Jun 2, 2020 15:28
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Still upset at how obscenely hot Gero's wife is
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Jun 2, 2020 15:31
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dr.gero was probably bishonen in his youth
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Stairmaster posted:dr.gero was probably bishonen in his youth Insert silent scream here
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Stairmaster posted:dr.gero was probably bishonen in his youth 
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Jun 2, 2020 15:57
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Only valid if he’s in his puffy clown outfit.
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MorningMoon posted:Gero in no way killed Goku. Gero did not invent high cholesterol nor did he make Gohan gently caress up the final battle and have to take an L.
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