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Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.


Where...I've seen this....

Oh, that was it. DBZ: The legend

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Z:_The_Legend

Hmm. It was an odd little game, that one. Wonder if it or something like might turn up again?

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Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Professor Wayne posted:


Hey, god I personally know. Don't really believe in ya or your powers. But thanks for turning me into a senzu bean.

Oh, Trunks, you're pretty much a Paladin already. Though it leaves me wondering what Kai was offering.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Zedd posted:

Nah trunks would be an excellent GoD, when he tries to protect things everything around him goes to poo poo, imagine him actually wanting to have things go to hell. :shepface:

Actually, he probably really would, because he'd actually give a poo poo about the duty and wouldn't abuse it. He'd be kind enough to not be an rear end in a top hat about it, and would destroy the things that need destroying so that other things can be created.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
So you're saying she's her Paragus, then?

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Covok posted:

Kale is now a better Broly than Broly. She's in complete control for power. I wonder how much people are going to lose their poo poo about that.

"I hate who I am" to unlock Super. I originally thought she was well adjusted, unlike Broly, but she's not. Nowhere near. That's gonna be a problem sooner or later.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:

I like how whenever Freeza shows up he's just tormenting some fool. That shot of him in the next episode preview was good too, is he laughing at the power of love? If he's immune and they're able to beat that universe due to bringing him along it would be great.

I'm expecting something like "Ah, this reminds me of the Ginyu Force."

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

snickothemule posted:

I thought Gohan was going to lose to muso tensei for a second there.

It's closer to Shu's Yuugen Sho than Musou Tensei.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YAyxP7_9eU (best example right now, I kinda apologise.)

First Heart, then Shu. Interesting, really. Who's next? Shin? Souther?

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
I think he's lost his fight sense, if he ever had it. He hasn't been properly challenged in years, and that was Cell, which he handed off. Gold Frieza he was able to out-power. with added reset. Whis has been training him but not fighting him-we've seen him resort to biting, the last he did that was Buu, and before again back in Dragon Ball. Goku's got absurd power and reserves, but he doesn't understand pacing himself anymore. Then again, given the nature of his fights, he's always had to give everything because it's all on the line, and such.

Everyone's telling him the same thing, but he keeps going along, figuring it'll work out and/or someone else will work out what needs doing so he can do it, or help out. Well, that's the nature of Monkey, I guess. Irrepressible fight-loving. Anyone who's willing to literally get themselves killed to figure out someone's trick...

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Rabbit Souther? With Hit playing Kenshiro for a bit.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Aug 20, 2017

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Raxivace posted:

Tbh I'm not sure I like Vegeta having either variant of his Saiyan armor in Super. One of the kind of subtle details in DBZ was how Vegeta gradually wore less and less of his classic outfit as he acclimated to Earth's culture until eventually he was just wearing normal Earthling clothing in the Uub chapters. Super kind of ruins that progression by having him go from the tanktop getup back to the armor he wore during the Androids/Cell Saga stuff.

It's a matter of battle again. So he's wearing it. His fighting spirit is coming back with all these new(And old in Frieza) battles again. He's becoming a warrior again. He's interested in keeping up with Goku. Maybe his old 'pride', altered. He will not be defeated by mere cooking. Or babies. Nothing will hurt his family. He reconnected with his future-son, even did a Father-Son Galick Gun. He re-learnt/remembered how to deal with gag characters(And then had that turn out useful). And now he's on the biggest stage fighting for massive stakes. Possibly bigger than he might expect.

The last Saiyans.

And Goku himself....Saiyans of DB universe like to fight, but hate being ruled especially. Goku had to inherit Vegeta's will on his death and defeat Frieza. I'm left with a feeling that though he doesn't show it, much like Vegeta, he doesn't like being ruled. That pictureset earlier started me thinking on this. It helps that the Angels and God of Destruction and so on are questionable, but...they're both Saiyans. They hate being ruled by outsiders. They've always been more alike than not. Goku is even actively 'plotting' for once.

Too vague, too vague. I don't have clear thoughts on this. He's learnt he can't be the ultimate. He's fine with that, finally. He's...perhaps you'd say 'broken down' on that? He's 'building up' again. He's learnt he can be 'close', and that's still good. Before he was 'if you're not the ultimate, what's the point?'.

CK2 reference: He's lost Ambitious. But he doesn't have Content. Probably picked up(Or always had) Diligent.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 20, 2017

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Burkion posted:

He was definitely stronger than King Piccolo, but only going all out which he can't do much, as we see here.

Radtiz would be the point where he redlines until secret training.


Jesus Christ what a nightmare universe Universe 7 must look to everyone else. Some old geezer just took out THREE of the best warriors of another universe and he's still in the fight.

He might be an old man, a pervert, but he's still a Martial Arts Master and that counts for a lot.

The kid using lightning is fitting, given the Turtle-Style Last Resort is a lightning attack.

...Huh. Went looking for 'Turtle-Style Last Resort' and find this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiWc-EEEBds

Which only justifies the result MORE.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

1. Is there a way to make a fun moveset with them that isn't too much of a repeat? (Android 16 fits this bill, Duck Hunt dog and Phoenix Wright too) admittedly

This can result in having to be very creative if you hold solely to your source. A prime previous example is Yuda. Almost none of his attacks are him attacking. Yet is not a 'joke character'.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

quote:

Seriously getting worried that Roshi's near-death fakeout is going to signal his actual death soon. Either that or he gets Kami'd into a Mafuba jar.

Reversal....

Wait, remind me. Has Roshi been keeping the ones he Mafuba'd on him? Then what the heck happens to the jars if it gets reversed? That sounds like a recipe for trouble.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Kashuno posted:

A literal kai is directly involved in the technology universes creation of a fighting robot, thing gets jobbed almost instantly.

Random guy in a random universe with a low mortal level that isn't especially advanced: is the most intelligent mortal in the multiverse capable of creating multiple androids that are more powerful than most of the multiverse

Remind me. Didn't Bulma say straight out that Gero was one of the greats of science? Like Gero was famous for his skills?

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

MonsterEnvy posted:

I was hoping Frost would have actually eliminated Vegeta there.

It would have been more dramatic/interesting if Frost had succeeded, but was driven off with bottle-Vegeta in tow. Then there's a minor scramble to get him back in the game/perma-eliminate. This would get others in the mix also.

I'm kinda surprised Frost was able to work out how to reflect the Wave from first principles, though. Like, Piccolo did it, but he had his Demon King Piccolo's memories to work with....unless I'm misremembering who reflected it.

I'm going to say 'Jiren is possibly Raoh' now.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
That is the gait/stance of someone who is used to floating, to be sure.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

CharlestonJew posted:

It's just so inconsistent. Like the Roshi example is super weird because he tries his hardest to revive him, but 5 minutes later when Frost is torturing the poo poo out of him Goku decides fighting Lady Buu is more important

I read as effectively: "See? He's fine now. So NOW will you fight?"
"...Fine"

Because when she first shows up, he throws her aside initially. It's only after Roshi's eliminated that he actually stops to fight.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Barudak posted:

If you arent hoping Goku ends up being Dumpster tier while Yamcha and Tien are godlike you just dont like fighters

Except the Ryu/Ken mechanic is too strong. And I don't think there's been a game where the Ryu/Ken have been especially bad or good. Though my knowledge isn't great.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
I knew it. Jiren is Raoh and Goku has had to go Musou Tensei to attempt to defeat him.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
You know it just hit me this is also another movie bit made 'real'. Didn't he have to pull this against that blue merged Android?

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Go with the obvious.

Goku Omen.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Oct 9, 2017

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Kashuno posted:

Realistically it’s Frieza being Frieza and underestimating people again

Probably.

But let's give benefit of doubt for the sake of discussion. When Frieza and Goku clashed(So long ago now), he noted he'd been making battle plans continuously to deal with Goku. Then look at how he acted with the Yardrat. He's fast enough that if he knows it's Instant Transmission, he can keep pace easily. His speed's always been monstrous. Possibly he thinks with his battle plans, he can leave his body to carry it out while he thinks ahead and thus 'fake it' for a little while.

To train your body such that your muscle memory is doing the work. Action before thought. Ultra Instinct. It's a goal even in regular martial arts, I think(Though I don't know). It's what all the drill and kata and such are for. To remove the mind from the equation and turn it into reaction like moving your hand away from a flame.

It was probably right that it showed how loving weird that is. Because it must be like you're disconnected from what you're seeing, like a simulation or tape or VR or game.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Oct 9, 2017

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Black_Oni 165 posted:

I have one comment about the tournament thus far.

Ribrianne needs to either do something, or die already

In terms of moveset she's actually the most realised right now, I think. She's demonstrated several named moves. She'll probably be a shoo-in for future games and such.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
It's vaguely interesting: she says she's all about Love, but it's a narcissistic love. She wants everyone's love and adoration. Her wish to be Goddess Of Love, and effectively force all things to pray to her.

She's ambitious, powerful enough, sneaky enough to take sneak attacks when given, and dangerous. If I'd expect a swerve of some sort, I'd expect it to involve her.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Black August posted:

Black hole eyes, weird ultra powers, no-sells something angels fear, immunity to time itself

Willing to slap cash down he has something to do with the deleted six universes

His God of Destruction's been very....not just a cheerleader, he spoke to him directly via telepathy, also. Maybe he's taught Jiren things directly? Or shown him things, and then Jiren taught himself?

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Of course not.

The entire Dragon Ball/Z/Super cast will be there to escort her into the hereafter.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

TheHan posted:

There's something hilarious about a series of muscle men powering up into gorilla men and trading blows. I wonder if that last guy even knew he could turn into Snowflake the White Gorilla before just now.

Yes? I think? The form's directly from the end of Xenoverse 2, only back then it needed a serious outside power source-a Time Egg, effectively a baby universe-as well as Mira permanently absorbing Towa.

....Towa's dead? Ouch.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Fartbox posted:

What needs to happen is that these two saiyan girls need to join the main cast of Gokus Friends

They probably will. He's said repeatedly he wants to fight them again. He's perfectly willing to train someone up to get the great fight he craves. And they show as much potential as him.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

TheGamerGuy23 posted:

Armstrong vs. 16, who wins?

16. I don't think Armstrong has blown up an island under his own power.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

tbp posted:

i had already liked caulifla before but when kale went berserk and was about to crush her hand in the most recent ep and cauli's only reaction was "KALE UR SO COOL HOLY poo poo" that made me love the character

Perhaps. But with Kale so...dependant, mentally, on Caulifla, I suspect they will get her eliminated, so Kale can go crazy. Whether it results in a better control(So she's not so dependant) or not, that's what I suspect. I mean, when Goku dodged one of cauli's moves, she just went WHY DID YOU DODGE!" That's....Cauli really is turning out to be a 'nicer' Paragus, despite herself.

I think of Gohan a bit here. The clash with Perfect Cell, and Goku contantly telling him even from the afterlife that he can do this and surpass Goku and he refuses to believe it. Gohan's still got that hero worship even now. Can't blame him, really. Him and Vegeta are both on entirely different levels, and they're still getting better.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Momomo posted:

There are only two saiyan genders, warriors and brilliant scientists.

Adds a new meaning to 'spending time in the Lab'. Lords knows it'd help to have some where super-reinforced that can take what you throw at it. Half the reason there's been little innovation is half the people would crack the planet, so the only choice is to come up with things in the fight. Which is cool enough. WHisnd him having another dimesion/planet to train on has given Goku and Vegeta real valuable time.

I'm surprised Bulma hasn't made some hologram room. Though with their kind of luck, they'd become self-aware and try to blow up the planet or something.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Crabtree posted:

But uh, now I'm curious at what UI is actually supposed to be now with Angel Bitch talking about "breaking through the shell again".

How to put it(And I'll admit I'm thinking on it as I type it)....the closest is 'You are your own worst enemy'.(Which is almost literal here given Kale and Cauli are basically Goku) Your thoughts, your personality, your you, they are mostly a hindrance to get to this. About the only thing that might be helping is the standard Saiyan 'Never Ever Give Up Until Total Obliteration' attitude. The body is taking over, the mind or soul or whatever is barely involved. The Shell is 'you'.

I've encountered the idea of breaking through 'you' and going beyond in religion, but I forget which.

Oh, and don't be crude about Whis, please.

Bloodly fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Nov 12, 2017

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Adults create justifications. The first step towards enlightment is usually throwing all that out and being direct. Become, effectively, a child. If I remember right, the idea is 'A child accepts everything and has no preconceptions.'

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Mere age does not give wisdom by default. That comes from our experiences. 10,000 years in a palace leaves you unable to deal with a cash machine unless someone explains it to you, as a random example.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

snickothemule posted:

I want Goten to be voiced by Banjō Ginga.

You want him to be voiced by Souther? What next, he builds a pyramid for Goku? I'll admit there's the potential for hilarity.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Completely off the subject; You know, it's a very weird line they gave to Goku.

"You cannot surpass me!"

Like, he's never been that kind of person, even when everything on the line. I keep wanting to add 'The strongest man of Saiyan/Saiya-jin!" to it.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

seiferguy posted:

Yeah, do DLC packs / seasons pass with themes. Give me an original Dragon Ball pack that has kid Goku with power pole, Jackie Chun, Demon King Piccolo and whatnot. Then a Super pack, with Beerus, Hit, Zamasu / Goku Black, and ToP dudes.

Then a GT pack so we can get Pan, Omega Shenron and SSJ4 Goku :grin:

The last is almost a guarantee. Even though GT is seen as iffy, Omega Shenron, Pan, and SS4 Goku/Vegeta practically always turn up sooner or later. Everybody seems to like them, even if they hate the show itself.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
'Calm water beats a raging stream.' Goku is slowly learning the Gentle Fist. I feel that Toki is approving of this, somewhere out there.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Alright, so Jiren=Superman, Dyspo=Flash. Toppo=Batman? He seems to be a realist-type.

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Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Genocyber posted:

Turns out the Grand Priest is not, in fact, the secret hidden villain but in fact the new Shin, incompetence and all.

Well, it is a Celestial Bureaucracy. This sort of thing tends to happen.

One of the things that it feels like it's pushing hard is that the so-called rulers/guiders/so on have little connection to the ruled. They know very little about the people under them. And of course they're getting no guidance from above.

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