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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is a good, American martial arts movie. The set pieces don't approach Jackie Chan movies but the rooftop-antique store fight had a similar feel.
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Fart City posted:The same thing happened in Salvation, where it was this huge reveal when the T-800 comes out at the end... and then it's immediately immolated because every second you got a computer animated Arnold on screen you're burning through money. The word you're looking for is inertia.
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Fuckin watch Dredd again.
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I feel like whichever movie from that period that has Wesley Snipes is the superior movie.
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It was probably Red Heat.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Professional fighters aren't confused during a fight. Why would you say something so easily refuted and just, on its face, monumentally dumb?
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Basebf555 posted:I get what they were trying to say though, just that the word "professional" doesn't really describe it properly. That autopilot is also the same reason some professional fighters have no idea what happened in their fights. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with skill level either. A fight is chaotic, Bourne beating the poo poo out of a street cop is not a fight and should not be presented as a frantic duel.
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Basebf555 posted:Again though, I think we need to separate real life from what happens in these kind of movies. Bourne and the other Treadstone guys are on a different level than what you'd find anywhere in real life. Real fights are chaotic, regardless of skill level, but Bourne has transcended that because he's just waaaay more skilled than anything we would compare him to in reality. I don't want to separate real life from movie fights though because most movie fights are poo poo and look ridiculous. I want movie fights to look more like real fights because most movie fights are faux kungfu/karate trash. It's mostly weightless, heavily choreographed dancing. Equilibrium was the pinnacle of that with gunkata but it was so ridiculous it looped back around to funny and cool. If Bourne is fighting someone almost equal to him then why should the fight be shot more calmly than his beating up a chump? It should be more desperate not less. Not that shaky cam should be used to portray that feeling. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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Basebf555 posted:Real fighting and shooting is often extremely boring and/or confusing to watch, not sure why you'd argue that it should be the goal to accurately reproduce that on screen. This is just ignorant as hell and deliberately missing the point. John Wick and Flash Point are not worse movies because their fight scenes look more like actual fights than the wire-fu of the Matrix. As to your other point you're presenting a false dichotomy. Action scenes can be chaotic and still show the action. Not everything has to be a god's eye view to display the choreography and story of the fight.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:If I wanted to see a "real" fight there's a million worldstar vids and MMA matches to watch. I don't care about realism at all. It's about telling a story though the movement and visuals, just like every other part of the movie, and shaky cam destroys that coherence for (what I feel is) very little value. If I wanted to see kung fu I'd watch youtube videos of kata competitions. Movies are almost entirely that boring style of fake looking stuff that has no weight. Everything looks floaty and weird and nobody looks like they would have taken a bruise. It's tedious. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Help me out here...what movies are you referring to that have this crap style of action? Because your main point seems to be that getting hit should have consequences, and I actually agree with that completely. Not only that getting hit should have consequences but the blows delivered should justify the consequences. All the movies Base mentioned above have that floaty style that takes me completely out of a movie. If a movie is telling me that some person is the most bad-rear end fighter in the world then they throw a bunch of bad arm punches I will immediately stop giving a poo poo. The dojo scene in the Matrix is a prime example. Basebf555 posted:Realism is just one aspect of fight choreography, and really not even a major one. The action scenes in John Wick aren't great because of realism, the realistic aspects(judo throws, tactical reloading) of them are more like an extra little spice that makes Wick feel unique when mixed with all the other ridiculousness. I cannot abide a guy being knocked completely unconscious by the lightest touch of the protagonist. I don't care how well it was shot. There is no tension or drama in that. John Wick armbarring a guy and using his body as a bullet shield is loving cool and also something that I can believe would happen.
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Basebf555 posted:I think he's saying that kung fu in film is inherently fake looking, and therefore should be shot chaotically to paper over the flaws. I mean, it's an opinion, but it goes against basically everything fans of martial arts films have celebrated for decades. Oh so you aren't actually arguing with me, just your strawman.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Would the best compromise here be to try and mix the two approaches, a la The Raid or the aforementioned Killzone 2? Essentially wild OTT poo poo that still ends up looking brutal as all hell. This and a lot of Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan era movies. Also, one of the things I enjoyed about Flash Point was the traditional MA vs more mma style of Yen's character. Blade is a good one. Blade is always a good one. I feel like the Bourne movies and Nolan's Batmen were an over correction after a long period of action movies aping Crouching Tiger and the Matrix. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Fart City posted:Feels like this is as good a time as any to post the awesome Every Frame A Painting that dissects why Jackie Chan is such an incredible physical performer: That sequence about editing the two shots together to show the impact of the elbow is my everything.
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The genius of The Thing is that Ebert is right.
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sean10mm posted:great paranoid atmosphere between those moments. It's almost like I was implying this exact thing. That good movies don't have to be split into false dichotomies.
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The claustrophobia and paranoia wouldn't work as well without a dude's head sprouting crab legs and skittering around or the weird flower-dog monster.
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Snowman_McK posted:Second. I mean Snake Eater had the most badass of knife fights so... I need to watch this. It's especially badass when you're getting The Boss rank. Yeah I'm bragging. Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 08:27 on May 12, 2018 |
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How do you people feel about the Tom Jane Punisher? I haven't watched it in a while but I remember liking his fight with super Shredder. Where all his carefully hidden weaponry fails as he's getting turned to burger and he has to improvise to get the upper hand. That was a cool scene.
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They shoulda saved MCD Kingpin for that movie.
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I already love John Wick 3 and this is the only thing I know about it The only thing that would make this better would be a mare's leg.
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Josey Wales doesn't hold a bison tallow lantern to Unforgiven. Why do you like it so much?
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married but discreet posted:Man Headshot sure loves to show the murder of random innocents. Left a bad taste in my mouth. How's The Night Comes For Us in that regard? I'm about an hour in and so far there has been massive psychological trauma but physical violence. Meryl from Metal Gear Solid 4 just showed up though.
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Wheat Loaf posted:High Plains Drifter has problems but it's a more interesting movie than Joe Kidd. It's a Pumpkinhead prequel.
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The one from First Blood is the best. https://youtu.be/sdEONLwlkjo Tezcatlipoca fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Dec 6, 2018 |
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Halloween Jack posted:I can't think of any way in which the choreography of a top-drawer wrestling match is more unrealistic or obviously fake than, like, the duels in Fist of Legend, which is a classic. Except for the damage done to the participants it is more unrealistic and obviously fake in every way.
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Halloween Jack posted:We're talking about a movie where the villain's signature finishing move is a backbreaker and the hero counters with a hip toss. You shouldn't get so defensive when your obviously fake "fights" get called out for being silly looking. We do the same to lovely movie fights too.
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What one of you wrestling dudes should have posted was the fight from They Live!
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Yeah that's the point that I turned the movie off. It just seemed nihilistic and mean without real purpose. I guess that's literally the point where the movie stops that nonsense and turns into a revenge odyssey but I just haven't gone back to it. My loss. You aren't missing anything.
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Marking out over tandem attack dogs.
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Immortals has some spear and trident fighting.
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Isn't Stallone a little dude? Probably has chicken hawk syndrome.
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Only the Strong is what everyone should be talking about re: Dacascos and I dont understand why it hasn't been mentioned.
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A bulletproof suit is far from the least believable thing in John Wick movies.
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Lobok posted:The one from the Daredevil Netflix series was great for selling you on his desperate exhaustion during the fight. This isn't true as he kept doing more and more elaborate moves as the fight went on. If they wanted me to think he was tired why was he doing all this spinning and jumping. It was a cheap, poor attempt at the Oldboy scene and I don't understand why people like it so much.
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It may be the dumbest, most fascist Reagan movie of all time.
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midge posted:Anyone checked out MONEY PLANE yet?! They couldn't get Snipes and Harrelson back for this one?
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Blind Fury is Rutger Hauer's best film.
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:You misspelled Hobo with a Shotgun, a film that slaps gigantic amounts of rear end. I'll take White Zatoichi over corny hobos any day, thanks. brocked posted:Nah, HWAS is too self aware for me Felt the same as watching Snakes on a Plane.
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dokmo posted:I've always thought that the highest measure of an action director's skill in handling one vs many fights is hiding the guys in the background so you don't keep asking yourself why they don't all attack him at once. It doesn't really matter where they are I'm going to ask that every time.
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