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Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Narzack posted:

What's the consensus on Scott Adkins? I'm kinda torn on him. On one hand, he's super physically talented. For sure, dude can rock faces off. On the other, I really don't like him as a main lead. I don't know why, but something about him just makes me see him as more of a villainous dude.

Yeah Adkins is not always the strongest actor* but he can glower like a boss, there's a reason Yuri Boyka was his breakout role.

I'm in the middle of Close Range because it's the only Florentine/Adkins joint on Netflix I haven't seen yet, and they use this quite cleverly - the film starts with a glowering Adkins murdering his way through a police station in a classic "introduce the bad guy" moment and then it turns out the cops are all bent and he's the good guy, there to rescue his niece who they've kidnapped.

Also when the gently caress is Triple Threat coming out already



*he was very good in Day of Reckoning imo

Clipperton fucked around with this message at 05:04 on May 14, 2018

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Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

sponges posted:

Who cares about acting in the type of movies Adkins is in? Sure, it’d be nice but it wholly secondary to his athleticism

Oh absolutely, and on top of that I'm willing to cut the acting in these movies a ton of slack. They're shot in 3 weeks and every extra take of a dramatic bit is a half hour you don't get to spend on a fight scene. I think Adkins is a good actor, but some roles (brooding loner) are more in his wheelhouse than others (the straightforwardly heroic stuff) which might be why Narzack doesn't see him as a leading man.

That said I haven't seen Accident Man yet and I'm looking forward to seeing how he does there.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Fart City posted:

If no one else, between The Matrix and John Wick, Keanu has been carrying that torch for a long while.

I will not abide this Statham erasure

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Basebf555 posted:

He erased himself by joining up with the F&F franchise and making a horrific Mechanic sequel. He hasn't really been in the leading man spotlight for a while, maybe Deckard & Shaw will change that.

Plane shootout in FF8 was dope, so was the prison break. Resurrection was less dope but the pool assassination ruled. I don't think they justify retroactively removing Jason Statham: Action Star from movie history

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Basebf555 posted:

Movie history? No of course not, he's one of my all-time favorites. He just hasn't really been around much in lead roles recently(since like 2012) so his status as "action star" is now in question. Maybe Meg will bring that back a bit but it's also possible it sinks him even further.

God I have my fingers crossed for The Meg so hard

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I've been reading A History of Violence, the action movie column in The AV Club (yes I know) where Tom Breihan goes through the most "important" action movie of every year since 1968 and Bullitt. It's all a bit arbitrary (I'm not sure he ever completely nails down a definition of "action movie", and he uses "important" very flexibly) but it's a fun read. His approach is less "in-depth analysis" than "holy poo poo that was cool", which is great because it's mine too :v:

Here they all are for easy reference (fair warning, he's a big Donnie Yen fanboy and I know some posters itt consider him Hong Kong Hitler):

1968: Bullitt
1969: The Wild Bunch
1970: The Chinese Boxer
1971: Dirty Harry
1972: The Way of the Dragon
1973: Enter the Dragon
1974: Death Wish
1975: Dolemite
1976: Assault on Precinct 13
1977: Rolling Thunder
1978: The Driver
1979: The Warriors
1980: The Octagon
1981: Raiders of the Lost Ark
1982: First Blood
1983: Project A
1984: The Terminator
1985: Rambo: First Blood Part II
1986: Aliens
1987: Lethal Weapon
1988: Die Hard
1989: The Killer
1990: Total Recall
1991: Terminator 2
1992: Hard Boiled
1993: The Fugitive
1994: Speed
1995: Bad Boys
1996: The Rock
1997: Face/Off
1998: Blade
1999: The Matrix
2000: Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
2001: The Fast & The Furious
2002: The Bourne Identity
2003: Kill Bill: Vol. 1
2004: The Bourne Supremacy
2005: Sha Po Lang (Kill Zone)
2006: Casino Royale
2007: 300
2008: Taken
2009: Universal Soldier: Regeneration
2010: The Man from Nowhere
2011: Fast Five
2012: The Raid
2013: Snowpiercer
2014: John Wick
2015: Mad Max: Fury Road
2016: SPL 2 (Kill Zone 2)
2017: Wolf Warrior 2

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
300 is gross and the word 'silly' isn't anywhere in that review. "Surface level" I agree with

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Regarding Raiders, I assume you just searched on the word?

:shrug: it has a nazi monkey, that's pretty silly

i mean he's not calling it stupid, he talks about its "visual wit"

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I know fight scenes are often sped up in action movies so they look quicker and deadlier. How much do they speed them up though? 5-10%? Just wondering, no reason.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Neo Rasa posted:

At the same time I'm guessing so high because I'm thinking of instances in action movies where I'm actually noticing it.

It stood out for me in Boyka: Undisputed, and now I seem to be seeing it everywhere, but that could be pareidolia or confirmation bias or whatever you call that.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Saw Accident Man the other day and enjoyed it! Jesse Johnson knows how to make a film look good on a tight budget (more so than Isaac Florentine anyway) and the whole thing moved along very pleasantly, although it fizzled out a bit at the end. Scott Adkins gets to stretch his acting muscles and does quite well, and also gets a two-on-one fight with Michael Jai White and Ray Park.

I've seen quite a few people compare it to Guy Ritchie, which makes me sad because Pat Mills (who wrote the Accident Man comic) has been doing that style of violent comedy since before Ritchie's balls dropped.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

what in the

okay, even if I hadn't seen either of the first two, I'd be hype for this movie simply because its cast is loving ludicrous

tbf if you hadn't seen the first two yet then your priorities would be so out of whack who knows what you'd do

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Penpal posted:

I mean poo poo, it's going to Australia, what the gently caress is up? So disappointing.

whannell is australian which probably helps. he got his start as a tedious adolescent dipshit reviewing movies on saturday morning tv, whenever i see him or hear his name it feels like a hangover

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
The Undisputed movies still look a bit cheap though, as do most Isaac Florentine joints like the aforementioned Close Range. He can direct the hell out of a fight scene though, Close Range has a couple of good ones (I liked the knife/belt fight and the one where he flips the dining room table up then bounces a guy's skull off it.

If you haven't seen it already, Savage Dog had the same director as Accident Man, Jesse Johnson, and looks a lot nicer. It's much grimmer though. (e: beaten like a baddie in a Scott Adkins movie)

He also directed Triple Threat which whenthefuckisitcomingoutalready

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Lobok posted:

Day of Reckoning was pretty good but there were two or three sequences of harsh strobe-lighting that lasted uncomfortably long.

I loving loved Day of Reckoning. It's the closest anyone has come to doing an 80s Cronenberg movie since 80s Cronenberg.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Franchescanado posted:

Goldblum as the villain was what sold me.

I am probably the only person in the world who liked Mad Dog Time and I endorse this message

Basebf555 posted:

Is there another Boyka in the works?

If there is, they better loving bring back Gaga

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Basebf555 posted:

If there's one thing lacking from the past two Undisputed movies, it's a true villain that can stand toe-to-toe with Adkins like he did for Jai-White in Undisputed II. The guy at the end of Boyka was physically impressive but barely a character, and I thought Undisputed II had no memorable villains at all.

III had Lateef Crowder! But yeah he didn't have anything to do outside of the ring, he just looked a bit lost the whole time. I don't know what happened there, Crowder was a great villain in Tom Yum Goong even with like 2 minutes of screen time.

Nothing against Marko Zaror either, but his fights in III were a bit underwhelming.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
watching ip man 2 and jfc this bit where the western boxer is beating sammo hung to death

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Snowman_McK posted:

It's a really uncomfortable scene. Especially since it goes out of way to establish that a) Hung has a lot of kids b) he's not prepared and is twice the age of the other guy and c) he only loses because of a heart attack and keeps getting in there 'for China's pride.'

It even goes back later and makes it even more pointless. Yen flashes back to the advice he gave Hung, which Hung ignored. Yen follows his own advice and instantly wins.

It's a really common, tropey scene for kung fu films, but a few things made it really, really uncomfortable.

The whole thing is just loving weird, like all the other fights up to that point were whimsical wirework stuff with loads of jokes, then the movie comes to a screeching halt while we watch a senior citizen get mercilessly (and realistically!) beaten to a pulp. That bit where he gets spun around and ragdolls on the floor was just brutal. Not to mention the non-stop racial slurs getting hurled around either side of the fight. Also they portray Western boxing as more sadistic and brutal than they portrayed the Japanese occupation of China in WWII in the first one.

I mean this isn't my first Hong Kong movie, I know they like their tonal whiplash, but this was just nuts.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Fart City posted:

The mid-nineties hacksploitation genre is severely underrated, and often absolutely delightful in its naivety about technology.

Mark my words: if a CD-ROM factors as a major plotpoint, you’re gonna have a good time. Bonus points if the internet is a place you can physically visit.

Peak 90s Hacker is the VR bit from Disclosure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFkyV7d5t8o

But IMO Wild Palms is the best thing that ever came out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJMPCGo42cE

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdfo-b6a6Ng

Clipperton fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jul 12, 2018

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Narzack posted:

Man, you've really got to hand it to Tom Cruise. He may be a shithead, but the dude really puts in the work. I like pretty much all of his action movies, and that bathroom fight in the new Mission: Impossible looks ferocious. He's no spring chicken and he's still doing a lot of brutal stuntwork. It's cool. I feel like he has a real respect for physical stunts and stuntwork and seems to prefer doing things in-camera.

Is he a shithead though? I mean he's friends with David Miscavige and doesn't seem to mind, like, having his motorcycle detailed by a small army of brainwashed slaves, but if you're being charitable you can chalk that up to bad judgement and colossal naivete. His reputation among people who've worked with him seems to be pretty good.

Keanu otoh is the real deal and apparently lovely.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Gotta be Under Siege, just for Jones and Busey.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
I'm a Die Hard fundamentalist; for it to be a Die Hard clone, the hero can't go into the building/ship/hockey game already knowing the villain is there. The villain has to show up when the hero's already there, minding their own business. So Dredd and The Raid are both out :colbert:

Clipperton fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Jul 12, 2018

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Wheat Loaf posted:

Lithgow has the single silliest (but funnest) scene in the movie, where he assets himself as the top dog in prison by fighting the leader of the neo-Nazi gang, for which purpose they both fashion suits of armour by taping books to themselves. It's the dorkiest-looking thing.

Also, said Nazi is played by Jesse Ventura.

That scene is utterly out-of-place, and blatantly only exists because Mulcahy had a little trouble letting go of Highlander. And yeah, it's far and away the best scene in the movie.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AObzrCwAga8

Clipperton fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 13, 2018

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:

I haven't seen Die Hard 4 since it came out, but I wonder if I'd like it more now that I'm a fan of the actors playing the two villains (Timothy Olyphant and Maggie Q) and McClane's daughter (Mary Elizabeth Winstead).

Also it's got Cyril Raffaelli from Banlieue 13 and he has some fun scenes

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
RIP Ringo Lam

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Ha, just found this out and came straight here to post it. So hyped for this movie, although is it just me or do a lot of those fight scenes look unwatchably dark

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

thrawn527 posted:

Solomon Kane.

also John Carter


Basebf555 posted:

The Undisputed series is also worth a look, but you can just start with Undisputed II because it really has no connection to the original.

I get real mad when people write off the first Undisputed. It's not a classic or anything but it 's well worth it just for Peter Falk's two big scenes.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

It has an incredible vibe. I would love to see somebody else go for a "David Lynch style action movie" that wasn't a pastiche.

More Cronenberg than Lynch imo, and yes it rocks

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

quote:

Indeed, the character will soon star in an Undisputed television series, with Florentine set to direct. Production will reportedly begin in early 2020 with Adkins’ Boyka in the leading role.

loving YES

They better bring back Gaga

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
One thing I will say for 6 Underground is that casting Ryan Reynolds was a smart move

A big reason Bay movies annoy me so much is their motormouthed douchebag protagonists, and Reynolds's entire wheelhouse is making motormouthed douchebags charming likeable somewhat tolerable

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

brocked posted:

I just watched that over the last couple nights.... I thought it was garbage-horrific editing, nonsensical over complicated schemes, XXX-level "extreme" sports tacked on, wannabe edginess, and a main character I don't think I could spend 5 minutes with

Well yeah but it's Bay

I didn't even finish it tbh, the only reason I stuck around as long as I did was 1) I liked Reynolds and thought he had good chemistry with Dave Franco, and 2) inertia after Franco copped it

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

FancyMike posted:

The first Undisputed isn’t like the sequels at all but it’s alright. It’s a Walter Hill movie with Wesley Snipes, Ving Rhames, and Peter Falk as the grumpy boxing old-timer. I recommend giving it a shot.

Falk's back-to-back monologues (the one about his wife and the Meyer Lansky story) are worth it all by themselves

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Happy 74th John Woo

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Happy 44th Scott Adkins (and Scott Adkins's taint)

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Boco_T posted:

Action Movie Fan Streaming Update: July 2020

Amazon Prime: The Running Man, Ronin, Bulletproof Monk, Death Wish
Pluto: Outrage
Hoopla: Paycheck, Righteous Kill
Netflix: Total Recall, Ip Man 4 (7/20)
Hulu: Die Hard 4, Tetsuo: The Bullet Man

Goddamn Bullet Man was a disappointment. The monster is very cool when it's on screen (so for about 10 seconds) but the lead actor was terrible and Shinya Tsukamoto trying to recreate his balls-out turn from the first movie as a beer-gutted 40something was just depressing.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Guns Akimbo is one of the most obnoxious movies I’ve ever seen, and I’m not sure that’s entirely a criticism

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Basebf555 posted:

Not really, not as an action movie anyway. It's more of a comedy with a few decent action scenes. But not a particularly good one.

Yeah it's basically a poor man's Neveldine/Taylor movie, if you've seen the Cranks it doesn't have much to offer at all. The title is the best part :v:

That said, Radcliffe is engaging as always, as is Rhys Darby. Also I found the OTT bad guy (who I was convinced was Barry Otto until the credits rolled) and the physical comedy with the guns bolted to Radcliffe's hands amusing

Clipperton fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Jul 5, 2020

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Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Lumbermouth posted:

I’ve seen The Thing within the last month or so, so I think I’m gonna boot up Hard Target tonight. What a beautifully stupid movie.

Never actually saw The Thing! I'll cue it up after my annual Riddick movie rewatch is done

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