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truck drivers are loving idiots i deal with them every day at work and they are some of the dumbest motherfuckers you'll ever meet. boy howdy do they like to whine about how hard it is to sit in air conditioning all day though. e: the ATA and also the Teamsters are very powerful though so their jobs are probably safe for another couple decades
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Breakfast Feud posted:From what I've seen a lot of the current technology relies on visual lane detection. I live in a city of almost 1 million where the lanes are almost always implicit. The winter destroys every lane marking so most streets only have distinct markings like, 1/3rd of the year. Driving here is sort of implicit. You position yourself mostly in the middle/left/right and follow the guy behind you or assume where the lanes on based on upcoming turning lanes or places where the road narrows. Self driving cars are totally not loving ready for this. like this guy lmao
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OldAlias posted:test runs in ideal conditions don't prove anything. in the general, for the average consumer this poo poo isn't happening. trucks maybe, there could be distant pilots or minders and specific routes could be solved "well enough." in widespread use the varying geographies and local conditions bring up a shitload of edge cases and possible problems yeah no one is saying they're ready to use literally right now today u jackass
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Jul 22, 2017 23:16
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Pretend I wrote a parody post about something wacky like companies skimping on maintenance
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Jul 22, 2017 23:18
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okay nerds let's see some contradictory facts, cos I'll have you know I've watched at least 3 youtubes of self driving cars doing badly so I'm pretty much a phd
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Jul 22, 2017 23:28
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etalian posted:Companies like Anheuser Busch have already done test run such as Colorado to SF successfully. Bot lizards, duh.
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Jul 22, 2017 23:30
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berth ell pup posted:truck drivers are loving idiots i deal with them every day at work and they are some of the dumbest motherfuckers you'll ever meet. boy howdy do they like to whine about how hard it is to sit in air conditioning all day though. Most truckers are p cool. Usually the best drivers and the eyes on the road. poo poo I've drafted off truckers for miles and saved gallons of gas no problem. It's just every single walmart truck starts to drift lanes when you try to pass it. Literally every one. Takes like 5 minutes to get around one white knuckled even with no traffic.
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When humans drive, we take these things into account: - sight (arc of about 120 degrees, movable) - hearing - touch (to a small degree, feeling the texture of the roadway or changes in grade) - memory of traffic laws and symbols (which may be inaccurate as a result of lack of study, forgetfulness, changes over time) - memory of roadways already traveled ("this intersection is a little odd and I need to get into this lane if I want to turn left but go straight on the next street", etc) - reaction time - communication with other drivers (signal lights, hand signals) - reasoning to make driving decisions when roadways/signs don't conform to the norm That last one is definitely going to be our one strength over AI, but let's look at the rest: - sight: with cameras, could have simultaneous 360 degree sight - this is a TREMENDOUS advantage, tech (partially*) exists right now. And what about other methods of "seeing"? Radar/lidar/GPS could all be employed, and some combination is likely going to be in the final products... your car will most likely know where you are much better than you do. - hearing: external mics would be able to hear things muffled for human drivers by the car. This is likely to be only a small advantage. Tech exists right now. - touch: accelerometers and gryometers should be on-par with humans, tech exists right now - memory of traffic laws and symbols: practically instantaneous, complete knowledge of traffic laws/signs of whatever country/state/municipality you're in right now. The infrastructure for this may not be in place, but since the tech exists it's only a matter of time. - memory of roadways: how about complete knowledge, practically instantaneous, of all roadways in the world changing in real time? The tech exists right now, and I scoff at anybody who suggests it's too big a task to get that mapping to the cloud. People didn't think Google was going to be able to pull off maps, and then street view, but here we are. Only a matter of time. - reaction time: robots with faster reaction time than humans already exist, it's just a question of getting the algorithms for this particular application down. - communication with other drivers: how about real time communication with not only a few close cars in our line of sight, but with cars around the corner that we can't even see, or how about all of the cars in a two-mile radius? The infrastructure doesn't exist yet, but the tech sure does, so once again it's just a matter of time. So let's get to that last point: reasoning. It may be that reasoning to make good decisions in odd situations is still a couple of decades away. I contend that with all of the other advantages automation will have over human drivers, reasoning will become less important, and in the worst-case scenario, the car can just stop until an anomaly clears up or it's given direction. * sight technology isn't *quite* there yet. I think that's our biggest hurdle right now. Image recognition is improving, but there was that one dude who died because his car couldn't see the truck in front of him. This is probably where most of the technological effort is going right now, and I see that improving dramatically over the next year or two. Tinestram fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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ClamdestineBoyster posted:Most truckers are p cool. Usually the best drivers and the eyes on the road. poo poo I've drafted off truckers for miles and saved gallons of gas no problem. It's just every single walmart truck starts to drift lanes when you try to pass it. Literally every one. Takes like 5 minutes to get around one white knuckled even with no traffic. to be fair there's a cool guy from ODFL that comes by pretty regularly he looks like the "go get your fuckin' shinebox" guy from goodfellas. we contract with this local company to haul tanks and it's like loving deliverance going over to their office and i've never see so many mullets and rattails at one place.
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Jul 22, 2017 23:45
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Wizchine posted:Preparing my deposit for a Tesla 3 after reading your comment. Thanks! If tesla makes such a miserable POS at $100.000 I dare not think of what they'll deliver at half that. Better prepare for a few recalls, doors that don't fit into frames, and other hilarious issues.
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Jul 22, 2017 23:47
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ditty bout my clitty posted:If tesla makes such a miserable POS at $100.000 I dare not think of what they'll deliver at half that. made in california by overpaid morons who can't be fired. what exactly were they expecting?
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Jul 22, 2017 23:48
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They loving build them in california? Jesus, no wonder their windows and sills don't align properly. Why haven't they shipped production out to China yet?
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Jul 22, 2017 23:53
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berth ell pup posted:to be fair there's a cool guy from ODFL that comes by pretty regularly he looks like the "go get your fuckin' shinebox" guy from goodfellas. 
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Jul 22, 2017 23:56
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Get this: I actually like to drive
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Jul 23, 2017 00:15
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Wonder what all those rat tail retards are gonna do once sf Bay tech nerds take all their jobs.
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I've never heard of an electric semi and that got me wondering. Could the top of a semi trailer covered in solar panels keep an electric semi powered or would it not be enough?
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Jul 23, 2017 00:53
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My F-150 has Lane Keep Assist or whatever they call it but from what I understand it's nowhere near as good as Tesla's system. Or at least not as aggressive. Like you can't really let it drive for you but it will usually keep you from running into a guard rail or off the road or into oncoming traffic. For the most part it won't try to keep you centered in the lane, but it will try and prevent you from departing your lane. But it only detects where the lanes are about 80 or 90% of the time. It also occasionally starts turning into a bend 1/4 second before I was about to start turning into the bend which is kind of annoying. In a "bitch, i was just about to start turning" kind of way. Sometimes it will also chime and flash a "keep your hand on the wheel" message when my hand is totally on the wheel, I just haven't had to make any minor steering inputs for 12 seconds or something.
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Jul 23, 2017 01:02
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Panamaniac posted:I've never heard of an electric semi and that got me wondering. Could the top of a semi trailer covered in solar panels keep an electric semi powered or would it not be enough? Not even close. It might be able to keep the A/C powered.
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Jul 23, 2017 01:03
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Panamaniac posted:I've never heard of an electric semi and that got me wondering. Could the top of a semi trailer covered in solar panels keep an electric semi powered or would it not be enough? lmao
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Jul 23, 2017 01:06
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the clear solution to class struggle is to eliminate the bulk of the working class through obesity and lack of healthcare namaste
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ditty bout my clitty posted:They loving build them in california? Jesus, no wonder their windows and sills don't align properly. China wouldn't be a step up.
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Jul 23, 2017 01:07
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etalian posted:
Truck drivers are needed. Those hookers aren't going to kill themselves.....
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loving nail-bomb this retard thread
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:he's right tho, there's a lot of people here pointing at what they perceive to be obvious flaws but in fact they actually have virtually no understanding of the technology Self driving cars are infallible and great - me seconds before my tesla decapitates me cause im too busy watching Harry Pottet to drive
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Jul 23, 2017 01:32
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underage at the vape shop posted:Self driving cars are infallible and great - me seconds before my tesla decapitates me cause im too busy watching Harry Pottet to drive Also I'm all the losers white knighting for a car company for some reason. Elon Musk is a messiah to a lot of morons.
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Jul 23, 2017 01:39
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there are self driving cars on the road right now so i dont really see what the debate is
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Jul 23, 2017 01:47
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all I dream of is to one day have my self driving car drive me to Elon's house so I can suck the poo poo out of his puckered rear end in a top hat autonomously
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Jul 23, 2017 01:47
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my comment in another thread: "Trucking is a miserable cutthroat business with massive turnover, no margins, and the moment automated trucks move out of carefully shepherded pilot programs a guidance system is going to crash a tanker full of gasoline into a orphanage because a customer called management saying the world was going to end if a delivery was 15 minutes late so dispatch sent the truck out without basic maintenance."
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Jul 23, 2017 01:51
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a truck cant drive itself. thats impossible.
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runupon cracker posted:- memory of roadways: how about complete knowledge, practically instantaneous, of all roadways in the world changing in real time? The tech exists right now, and I scoff at anybody who suggests it's too big a task to get that mapping to the cloud. People didn't think Google was going to be able to pull off maps, and then street view, but here we are. Only a matter of time.
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Jul 23, 2017 01:56
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just get an uber. slaves are better than robots.
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Yeah, technologically speaking we're pretty close* to self-driving cars that are as reliable as the average human (TBH not actually that reliable yet) with a combination of GPS + Camera + LIDAR + mesh networks between cars The reason they're not 'just around the corner' in taking up the majority of the road isn't gonna be technological - it's gonna be political and social. Getting THAT poo poo sorted to have the public and govt happy with robots driving cars around is WAY more difficult. Everything from 'if an accident DOES occur, who can we sue?' to 'this will reduce the budgetary income we get from speeding fines so they're banned in the county' to 'Obscure bible verse bans the devil from operating a horse and cart and THIS IS THE SAME AS THAT'
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Where are you guys getting this? Last I had heard Uber's program could only manage most of a mile without having a human intervene.
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http://www.ibtimes.com/robot-suicide-droid-security-guard-drowns-washington-dc-mall-fountain-2566885 A police robot killed itself in a fountain and you want to ride in a robot car?
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R-Type posted:Can't wait until these unmanned trucks hit somebody, or kill an entire family. Can't wait till the trucks are hacked and robbed, or hacked by terrorists and turn a city into a killing field. Can't wait for the terrorists to hijack one, plant bombs on it ad roll it into vital infrastructure. Can't wait until smug little douchebags that use the autodrive feature on Tesla's to get lulled into a false state of security and have a fatal accident. Wait, that's already happened. rip michael hastings
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Automated trucking is going to be a real thing because you buy one robot that works 24/7, doesn't need sleep, healthcare, rest and it doesn't have any rights. $$$$ rules and it will be cheaper to robot up some things to drive across the country and lmao if you somehow doubt the power of saving a buck.
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For that matter do they even have 18 wheels? Why so many wheels. Surely we can figure this out
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KakerMix posted:Automated trucking is going to be a real thing because you buy one robot that works 24/7, doesn't need sleep, healthcare, rest and it doesn't have any rights. When automated trucking does hit it will cause unholy chaos for the American workforce. http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/05/382664837/map-the-most-common-job-in-every-state
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Noblesse Obliged posted:For that matter do they even have 18 wheels? Why so many wheels. Surely we can figure this out some don't and they're called supersingles! of any advantages or other differences i have no idea.
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Harald posted:When automated trucking does hit it will cause unholy chaos for the American workforce. Where were u when the secretary wars happened?
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