- ovenboy
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Any outstanding games in the Warhammer sale? I went back a couple of pages but didn't see any talk of it. I've got both the Vermintides.
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- ovenboy
- Nov 16, 2014
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Do you own, well, Total Warhammer?
I do not! Been eyeing it a bit though. Would you recommend the first or the second one?
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Jun 3, 2018 06:59
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- ovenboy
- Nov 16, 2014
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The first by a pretty significantly margin.
The first game is pretty tightly constructed and built around some very simple but fun mechanics. You've got collapsing HRE style Empire's propped up by wizards, goblin swarms, passes to hold, Vampire Lords playing Dynasty Warriors, etc etc. With 9 unique factions, it's rare you'll ever run into the same situation twice, and it's one of the few Total War games that'll you'll probably play at least 4-5 times for 200-300 hours. It's also the easiest TW game to get into if you aren't a huge TW guy, because you again have factions like the Vampires which basically play Dynasty Warriors. Throw chaff zombies at the enemy, gunk up the engines a bit, then have your heroes roll around slaughtering 300 dudes a piece. After the battle get half your army rezzed for free, and rez half the enemy army into better units for pennies.
Most if not all of the best Warhammer races are present and playable in TW1 on it's map.
TW2 is.......still figuring itself out, and it looks like the developers have chosen to listen to the worst parts of the fanbase on how to balance/build it, so it's very unlikely it'll ever end up in the same state as TW1.
They introduced a Climate system that governs what races can live where ( since people wanted to map paint. ). Except then they didn't make the AI beholden to it at all, so the AI just conquers whatever is next to it constantly and doesn't behave in anything resembling a sensible way. On lower difficulties the AI will just kill itself by expanding, because the penalties for living in bad climates will cause nonstop rebellions, but the AI isn't built to recognize a VERY CORE SYSTEM.
The races are fun, but you still only have 4-5 compared to 9. Annnnd they aren't really all that different. The Elves might as well be repaints of each other, and the Skaven are different, but still very ranged focused. The only one that isn't is the Lizards. Compare this to WH1 where you have a faction of basically rogue football players, a faction of assholes, a faction of archers, a faction of ALL CALV 24/7, etc etc it's kinda a bummer. Tomb Kings are wildly different then anything else CA has made, but it's still only one race compared to 9.
The map in 2 is basically all water, but if you get caught on a boat the game will auto resolve the battle, usually to the AI. And if they beat you in water it's an army wipe. Most of the unique naval mechanics will be lost randomly to the AI autoresolving with a boat of like 10 dudes half dead.
They've now introduced a Sword you can nab if you are Elves that makes your General able to kill entire armies. But they also tagged the AI to try and gun for it 60% of the time. But since the trigger was uh, poorly put in, two AI factions will gun for it on turn 1. They can't actually get it turn 1, and will instead suicide themselves/their faction out of the game. This'll very likely take weeks to fix, and they are two core factions you need in the game to enjoy it in either mode.
Or and if you ever decide to embrace the cool "merge the games together" mode they sold the games on, well get hosed. Because that mode is a hot mess. AI randomly expanding in ways it was never designed to, because that map wasn't built for Climate. Dwarfs AI randomly declaring war on the Empire, despite the fact they need each other alive to actually win the game. The TW2 races are multiple times stronger then the TW1 races just on a pure stats level, and they still haven't updated half the TW1 races to be able to compare in battle against the TW2 races. I could keep going for awhile.
TW2 might eventually be a good game, but for now let it sit and cook until they announce TW3. TW1 however is a masterpiece and everyone should play it, especially if you are interested in getting to know Total War.
Thank you mate! Downloading the first one at this very moment! I've only played like 15 minutes of Total War: Shogun and always meant to get into the total war games.
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