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The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


Captain Log posted:

Maybe I should have said encouraged.

There was that dude in Tennessee who bought six in England and brought them back. Then got ten years in prison. If I remember correctly, they don't even get serial numbers over there.

Lol uh huh

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A Real Hologram
Jun 22, 2018

Moo!


My form 4 (trust, paper) filing for a Dead Air Mask had its tax stamp cashed on April 25Ö Must be soon now according to the statistics?

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009


A Real Hologram posted:

My form 4 (trust, paper) filing for a Dead Air Mask had its tax stamp cashed on April 25… Must be soon now according to the statistics?

Hopefully!

You're gonna like it, my Mask is my favorite can.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

Yeah that seems like it should be ready soon. You may want to call and check on it. The check for my form 4 trust was cashed on 9/25/2020 and I'm still waiting.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Tyro posted:

Hopefully!

You're gonna like it, my Mask is my favorite can.
22 cans in general are my favorite. Subs are cheap, plentiful, and quiet.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"





https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/15/silencers-easy-get-uk-american-tourist-brings-home-goes-prison/

Found a mention of it.

From the article -

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. ó A Murfreesboro man is being convicted by a federal jury for smuggling gun silencers into the United States that he purchased while traveling in England. Nashville prosecutors say 50-year-old Paul Gratton purchased six silencers from a firearms dealer in Sheffield.

Gratton shipped some of the firearm parts to the U.S, while he carried the other parts in a checked bag on his flight back to Tennessee. Authorities revealed that none of the silencers had serial numbers."

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009



Captain Log posted:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/15/silencers-easy-get-uk-american-tourist-brings-home-goes-prison/

Found a mention of it.

From the article -

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. ó A Murfreesboro man is being convicted by a federal jury for smuggling gun silencers into the United States that he purchased while traveling in England. Nashville prosecutors say 50-year-old Paul Gratton purchased six silencers from a firearms dealer in Sheffield.

Gratton shipped some of the firearm parts to the U.S, while he carried the other parts in a checked bag on his flight back to Tennessee. Authorities revealed that none of the silencers had serial numbers."

I canít understand why someone would go through all that trouble instead of buying a solvent kit, or buying them from a US dealer?

TTerrible
Jul 15, 2005


As part of adding a variation for a new weapon to your firearms licence in the UK the police can require that it is fitted with a moderator.

They are almost completely uncontrolled.

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK


Oven Wrangler

Ropes4u posted:

I canít understand why someone would go through all that trouble instead of buying a solvent kit, or buying them from a US dealer?

Probably significantly cheaper to buy them in the UK. If he was already there for some other reason then he probably figured he could save some money.

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


Captain Log posted:

https://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/03/15/silencers-easy-get-uk-american-tourist-brings-home-goes-prison/

Found a mention of it.

From the article -

"NASHVILLE, Tenn. ó A Murfreesboro man is being convicted by a federal jury for smuggling gun silencers into the United States that he purchased while traveling in England. Nashville prosecutors say 50-year-old Paul Gratton purchased six silencers from a firearms dealer in Sheffield.

Gratton shipped some of the firearm parts to the U.S, while he carried the other parts in a checked bag on his flight back to Tennessee. Authorities revealed that none of the silencers had serial numbers."

I was speaking to the first part, dopey

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




The Automator posted:

I was speaking to the first part, dopey

I was posting some actual context, dicky.

Toshokan
Apr 11, 2008
Prepare yourself for some obtuse logic--->


Captain Log posted:

It's so depressing, especially when you think about how much better it is for hearing. "Not gun" people I've known literally think I'm lying when I say they are required for hunting in a lot of Europe.

But, we live in a country that's trying to kill vaping, an undoubtedly safer and less destructive alternative to smoking, while cigarettes are unimpeded. Because THE CHILDREN!!! :clutches pearls:

Anti-gun people don't really care about the stats even if they know about them. Machine guns, suppressors, SBRs, and SBSs are very rarely used in crimes compared to plain old pistols. Moreover, even if they were used in crimes, do people really think criminals are going to wait months to get a stamp (if they are even legally allowed to do so) to get their NFA item to use in crimes? If you're going to be running a drug trafficking ring, murdering for hire, or committing other serious felonies, why would you care about the tacked on federal weapons charges?

It would be great if at the very least the ATF devoted more agents to approving NFA items, but they're never going to do that because it's one of the last limits on legal owners getting their approvals. The stamp cost hasn't scaled with inflation over time, so the cost really isn't as much of a burden anymore.

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


Captain Log posted:

I was posting some actual context, dicky.

You spread misinformation constantly.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009



my kinda ape posted:

Probably significantly cheaper to buy them in the UK. If he was already there for some other reason then he probably figured he could save some money.

Well with all that cash he saved he can go buy a TV for he and his celly to watch, or towards 22 minutes of his lawyers fees.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"




The Automator posted:

You spread misinformation constantly.

Thanks!

Edit : Deleted angry bit. No need for slap fights.

Captain Log fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 10, 2021

Boner Wad
Nov 16, 2003


So I finally got one of my suppressors. Should I bring an oven mitt or something? How do I transport it while it's hot? Any other stuff I need before I take it out and shoot it?

Atticus_1354
Dec 9, 2006

Don't you go near that dog, you understand? Don't go near him, he's just as dangerous dead as alive.


Boner Wad posted:

So I finally got one of my suppressors. Should I bring an oven mitt or something? How do I transport it while it's hot? Any other stuff I need before I take it out and shoot it?

Stick it out your truck window and let the wind cool it off.

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


Boner Wad posted:

So I finally got one of my suppressors. Should I bring an oven mitt or something? How do I transport it while it's hot? Any other stuff I need before I take it out and shoot it?

I've always liked to have a welding glove nearby

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK


Oven Wrangler

Boner Wad posted:

So I finally got one of my suppressors. Should I bring an oven mitt or something? How do I transport it while it's hot? Any other stuff I need before I take it out and shoot it?

These are expensive but worth every penny IMO: https://www.cole-tac.com/product/vulcan-suppressor-pouch/

Also yeah you probably want a heavy leather glove or oven mitt or something to take it off and on and make sure it's on tight etc.

The Automator
Jan 16, 2009


Ove glove baby

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.


Just got a Ruger precision rimfire and I want to put a can on it. What do you like for a .22? Preferably something low-backpressure that I could wind up putting on a pistol as well.

Phanatic fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jan 15, 2021

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Oculus. Don't have one, but it's my next form 4 rimfire.

Styles Bitchley
Nov 13, 2004

FOR THE WIN FOR THE WIN FOR THE WIN

Phanatic posted:

Just got a Ruger precision rimfire and I want to put a can on it. What do you like for a .22? Preferably something low-backpressure that I could wind up putting on a pistol as well.

Oculus, Mask, Sparrow are some top options.

Balance your budget against what features you value such as:

-modularity: short/long configurable
-caliber rating: do you want 5.7 capability?
-weight
-design: baffles vs monocore

Things like that. I have a Sparrow, I like because it's built like a tank and rated for about anything I would want to shoot in .22 range. Monocore means I don't have to deal with baffles. I wanted a really solid unit if I have to pay $200 tax on a $300 can. But it's not modular, and is heavier than an aluminum can.

Since it's not much more I would look at the Oculus if I were buying now, but I am happy with the Sparrow and the o-ring feature is kind of nice. Dead Air also makes great cans. Those would be my top 3.

And as for low back pressure, not sure if this is really an issue for .22LR? My .22 guns seem to run better with a can than without and you don't get much back to the shooter.

Liam Acerbus
Sep 17, 2007







Oh yes, we cookin' now.

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


Is that a Serbu or the factory Mossberg AOW?

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009



Why on earth would a dealer choose to do a paper form 3 transfer to another dealer? These doofuses have been sitting on my suppressor since mid November and refuse to give me a serial number to check with the ATF. According to silencershop, paper form 3s from December are already clearing.

I don't know at what point I decide they're just telling me they had the suppressor and are scamming me. But I kinda feel like that point is on its way.

Liam Acerbus
Sep 17, 2007



MazeOfTzeentch posted:

Is that a Serbu or the factory Mossberg AOW?

That's the factory Mossberg Compact Cruiser.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.



I like turtles posted:

Why on earth would a dealer choose to do a paper form 3 transfer to another dealer? These doofuses have been sitting on my suppressor since mid November and refuse to give me a serial number to check with the ATF. According to silencershop, paper form 3s from December are already clearing.

I don't know at what point I decide they're just telling me they had the suppressor and are scamming me. But I kinda feel like that point is on its way.

Ugh that's a pain.

My CT9KS has been sitting at my local shop since Oct. Everyone on my trust has signed the docusign pages that Silencershop filled out. Buuuut that was all completed a week before the owner/manager of the local shop died. He was the one to sign NFA forms. So I've been waiting since then just for them to sign so the Form 4 can be sent to the ATF.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009



The Rat posted:

Ugh that's a pain.

My CT9KS has been sitting at my local shop since Oct. Everyone on my trust has signed the docusign pages that Silencershop filled out. Buuuut that was all completed a week before the owner/manager of the local shop died. He was the one to sign NFA forms. So I've been waiting since then just for them to sign so the Form 4 can be sent to the ATF.

wkarma
Jul 16, 2010


Good news!

quote:

The NFATCA has worked with ATF for the past 15 years to help speed up the NFA forms process. We are very gratified that significant progress has been made in upgrading the eForms system. Many have already noticed that the system is now available on WEDNESDAYS after 10:00am!
eForm 4 is soon to debut. It will roll out slowly and incrementally. Soon, all users will be able to do the entire process online, including the use of electronic/encrypted fingerprints! And because the process is self-validating, users should be prevented from submitting bad or flawed forms. This is a long time coming and will be very welcome. The ultimate goal will be to get Form 4 approvals in 90 days or less! Stand by for more details!


https://www.facebook.com/NFATCA/posts/4288467284547419

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Not as good as no NFA bullshit, but better than the current situation. As I have a bunch of forms slated to move my collection to a trust, this seems beneficial.

boxen
Feb 20, 2011



Oh, nice! I've been meaning to SBR a couple things but wasn't excited for the fingerprinting/paperwork. I may just wait for that to roll out.

The Rat
Aug 29, 2004

You will find no one to help you here. Beth DuClare has been dissected and placed in cryonic storage.



boxen posted:

Oh, nice! I've been meaning to SBR a couple things but wasn't excited for the fingerprinting/paperwork. I may just wait for that to roll out.

But you can already eform 1 those if you're making them.

boxen
Feb 20, 2011


Oh, right. Form 1 vs Form 4, got them mixed up.

AbsoluteLlama
Aug 15, 2009

By the power vested in me by random musings in tmt... I proclaim you guilty of crustophilia!


quote:

Many have already noticed that the system is now available on WEDNESDAYS after 10:00am!

Only the government has operating hours for a website. I've seen this in other government sites too. It's one of the strangest things I ever encounter. Does the government require somebody to watch the server while it's running or something?

John DiFool
Aug 27, 2013



AbsoluteLlama posted:

Only the government has operating hours for a website. I've seen this in other government sites too. It's one of the strangest things I ever encounter. Does the government require somebody to watch the server while it's running or something?

A lot of government databases are ancient shitheaps that barely work at scale. Some really do need some downtime to run routine maintenance. They could upgrade these systems with some thought and effort but that would require some level of technical competency. And anyone with any level of modern technical competency is going to go earn 5x-10x or more in the private sector.

fatman1683
Jan 8, 2004
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John DiFool posted:

A lot of government databases are ancient shitheaps that barely work at scale. Some really do need some downtime to run routine maintenance. They could upgrade these systems with some thought and effort but that would require some level of technical competency. And anyone with any level of modern technical competency is going to go earn 5x-10x or more in the private sector.

You have no idea how true this is. I'm a contractor consulting on a military software system, and 'ancient shitheap' is a pretty apt description of this mission-critical application.

Part of my job as an engineering consultant is to tell the military how to migrate this system to 'the cloud'. So far my answer has consistently been 'throw it away and start over'. Ancient shitheap indeed.

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.


I run identity and access management for a cabinet level agency and just had to deal with all of our incoming political appointees not being able to use their issued phones or our SMS based MFA because the idiots who run our Oracle Identity Warehouse didn't account for how the O365 license would apply when someone is onboarded without going through personnel security and therefore does not have an employeeID number when they start.

I also contractually can only work between 6am and 6pm M-F so guess what happens when a user transfers departments and I have to move their network shares to different storage.

There are so many orphaned systems that had contracts structured to develop and stand up the systems but then just hand off "support" to the federal IT Specialist who was the TOCOR of that contract and is a glorified Project Manager. Then they have a contract terms fight over getting the "permanent" (that's me) contract IT staff to take over support for the system.

Almost the entire federal government's IT infrastructure is run by a handful of federal project managers overseeing absolutely massive numbers of contractors who work under 3-5 year contracts. When the contract is up, you don't generally lose the frontline people, but a new company comes in and transitions all the staff to the new company and then management spends half the contract getting up to speed on how poo poo works. It is a goddamn mess and we really should all be feds like how it is at the IRS.

This is all to say that EFile being a janky piece of poo poo is in no way surprising.

Thank your for coming to my Ted talk.

CommanderApaul fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Jan 31, 2021

CommanderApaul
Aug 30, 2003

It's amazing their hands can support such awesome.


fatman1683 posted:

You have no idea how true this is. I'm a contractor consulting on a military software system, and 'ancient shitheap' is a pretty apt description of this mission-critical application.

Part of my job as an engineering consultant is to tell the military how to migrate this system to 'the cloud'. So far my answer has consistently been 'throw it away and start over'. Ancient shitheap indeed.

So much of our stuff is 15 years of bandaids overtop of expensive bad decisions because it's too expensive to rip it all out and start over. When I started in 2014 we had been on Exchange for a year, but external email still went through Domino. It was like that for 5 years. If your management forgot to order you a Lotus Notes license so you got a NERD record, you could only send/receive email inside the agency.

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mischief
Jun 3, 2003


I've never shot one but $350 centerfire cans - https://www.gunbroker.com/item/891470314

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