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Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?

I've only shot a couple mags through it so far, but I haven't had any failures so far. That's with the oem glock mag at least. I have some larger PMAGS and a Korean 33 rounder I need to try as well.

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infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

I'm having a meltdown over putting in for stamps. I figured I'd start out with a Form 1 for a rando suppressor build kit. I want the model name to be "El Tigre". I went into the e-forms site to see if that model name was already on the list so as to avoid any unnecessary delays. The e-forms site requires me to add responsible persons right off the bat. And adding the responsible person on the web site requires uploading the RPQ, and the RPQ requires... a model name for the item. Should I just charge forward with El Tigre and hope it's on the list already and suck up the delays if it's not? Or should I pick something stupid like "Yeeter Discreeter" which we all know is on there?

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009


I would move forward with El Tigre because it's cool. When you get to the drop-down list, if it's not there, then you can decide if you want to go back and submit a new RPQ, or deal with the wait.

infrared35
Jan 12, 2005

border patrol qt


Plaster Town Cop

CommanderApaul posted:

Government IT is kind of a joke outside of some specific use cases. From experience with this type of stuff, ATF probably contracted a 3rd party dev to stand up the system using already owned off-lease hardware and existing software licensing and CALs. Since funding for multi-year projects is a pain, the contract was only to stand up the system and included no ongoing support or maintenance, which are now the vague responsibility of a fed with the title "IT Specialist" who is a glorified project manager. Actual responsibility has been pushed off onto whatever long-term contract IT support group that IT Specialist is the TOCOR for, and they are grudgingly supporting it after a lengthy contract mod process after the TOCOR told them to support it and they pointed at their contract and said "no".

If you'll excuse me I need to start drinking now and it's not even 9am.

I just wanted to add my own experience:

We have a local IT guy at my office. He doesn't do anything, and may not actually know anything about computers. Any time you ask him to fix something, he says "you have to call the national help desk and have them do it remotely". I call the national helpdesk, and they say "we absolutely do not have the ability to do that, that's 100% your local guy's responsibility". He's been in the job for a decade now and management is finally getting annoyed enough that they're thinking about exercising some oversight to see if he's actually working on anything or finishing assigned tasks. But from what I've seen, nothing has actually changed.

He may actually be running a Bitcoin mining rig in our LAN room, now that I think about it. We're supposed to be able to go in there and grab freshly-imaged laptops or tablets or whatever, but he won't let anyone in. He has to go in and retrieve stuff for us, and we can't even peek inside.



Tyro posted:

I would move forward with El Tigre because it's cool. When you get to the drop-down list, if it's not there, then you can decide if you want to go back and submit a new RPQ, or deal with the wait.

Fine, gosh!

LordOfThePants
Sep 25, 2002



The eForm site is super, super janky, so be prepared for more pain. You can submit the 5330 and then go back and change it if “El Tigre” isn’t already on the list.

At some point in the process, it shows you the file sizes for the files you’ve uploaded. If a file size shows zero, upload it again in the “additional documents” part of the form. I did three forms last fall and had that problem on all three of them. Luckily someone else had that same problem and posted that resolution here so I corrected mine before I had submitted them.

DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

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LordOfThePants posted:

The eForm site is super, super janky, so be prepared for more pain. You can submit the 5330 and then go back and change it if “El Tigre” isn’t already on the list.

At some point in the process, it shows you the file sizes for the files you’ve uploaded. If a file size shows zero, upload it again in the “additional documents” part of the form. I did three forms last fall and had that problem on all three of them. Luckily someone else had that same problem and posted that resolution here so I corrected mine before I had submitted them.

This might be what happened to me, it took several tries (at a few months apiece ) and assumed the ATF just lost the forms, but I wouldn't be surprised if the site ate it

Dr. Gojo Shioji
Apr 22, 2004



If you do your first NFA transfer/purchase as an individual and later decide to go the trust route for additional purchases, can you move that first item onto the trust after the fact? Is that technically considered another transfer (with subsequent $200 fee)?

JRay88
Jan 4, 2013


Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:

If you do your first NFA transfer/purchase as an individual and later decide to go the trust route for additional purchases, can you move that first item onto the trust after the fact? Is that technically considered another transfer (with subsequent $200 fee)?

That would be correct, $200 and a form 4 would be needed to transfer to the trust. The good news is you keep the items and can use them as normal while they process the transfer.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:

If you do your first NFA transfer/purchase as an individual and later decide to go the trust route for additional purchases, can you move that first item onto the trust after the fact? Is that technically considered another transfer (with subsequent $200 fee)?
It's a transfer with the associated form 4 and tax. But at least you control the item before/during/after.

Dr. Gojo Shioji
Apr 22, 2004



Harumph. So is the general consensus that one should just do a trust upfront? I'm legitimately unsure of whether any of my friends would want to go through the hassle of being added as a responsible person, but it's $130 upfront rather than paying that later and an extra $200 (or more).

Rontalvos
Feb 22, 2006


Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:

Harumph. So is the general consensus that one should just do a trust upfront? I'm legitimately unsure of whether any of my friends would want to go through the hassle of being added as a responsible person, but it's $130 upfront rather than paying that later and an extra $200 (or more).

Yes trust, no on RPs until later. Just make yourself the only trustee and add your friends with 2 seconds of paperwork on the back end once you've already got the NFA stuff in hand.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Do the trust for yourself up front if you are considering it. Just remember as long as they are RPs they need to do the whole rigamarole for each stamp. So keep that in mind if you are going to be buying stamps over time.

JRay88
Jan 4, 2013


ilkhan posted:

Do the trust for yourself up front if you are considering it. Just remember as long as they are RPs they need to do the whole rigamarole for each stamp. So keep that in mind if you are going to be buying stamps over time.

ORRRRR, just remove them as RP while you file the form and add them back after it’s approved.

I like turtles
Aug 6, 2009



Never, ever, EVER order anything from bismanbids. I purchased a suppressor from them in November. It was on a paper form 3 that they screwed up (but wouldn’t acknowledge that they screwed up) until April 2nd, despite me gently indicating that paper form 3s don’t take 4-5 months unless there’s something wrong. After all that, it took them a month to ship. It should finally arrive to my SOT tomorrow where I can finally do the form 4.
171 days from purchase to showing up to my SOT, with dismissive/no customer service. God loving drat people in this business suck sometimes.

ilkhan
Oct 7, 2004

Life Before Death
Strength Before Weakness
Journey Before Destination


Never heard of them, but I'll mark them to never buy from.

My Nomad-LT form 4 got cashed on the 30th, so at least the clock is ticking on mine.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

Make your move...'cause mine's gonna be ugly.

Question:

I'm thinking of putting myself on CMMG's enormous wait list for a 9mm Banshee 300. Am I correct in assuming that the best way to go about that is to get the pistol and SBR it later if I wanted, because I've heard that takes way less time to register than an off-the-line new-build SBR?

Apprentice Dick
Dec 1, 2009


eForm 1s are indeed faster than Form 4s, also you get a pistol in the mean time instead of it sitting in gun jail.

MazeOfTzeentch
May 2, 2009

rip miso beno


Yep, if you don't have a lower you're already putting it on, I'd buy it as a pistol.

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DarkHorse
Dec 13, 2006

Vroom Vroom, BEEP BEEP!

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Are the banshees the radial delayed blowback ones?

I'm tempted to get some in 9mm and 22lr for my SBR

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