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Tiggum posted:What is it we know about real abusers? Super powers aside, the "innocent abuser" seems pretty realistic? It's not like they're saying that makes it OK. I think I have basically said what I wanted on this. Legion is still pretty new for this thread, so this is kind of a derail. When I tried reading the Thomas Covenant books, I noped out at the rape scene. I just really resent writers trying to make me sympathize with rapists.
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packetmantis posted:Passengers was one of the creepiest movies I've ever seen and the idea that there are men who would legitimately think that's a romantic thing to do is loving terrifying. Passengers is one of those movie I will never watch because I know how hosed up and monstrous the central premise is and don't want to sit though 90 minutes of Hollywood telling me how romantic it is. EDIT: Just checked google, and it's exactly as bad as I thought it would be.
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Slowpoke Rodriguez posted:When I tried reading the Thomas Covenant books, I noped out at the rape scene. I just really resent writers trying to make me sympathize with rapists. You’ll be pleased to note that he learned his lesson by the time he wrote his ‘Twilight Of The Gods’ knock-off sci fi opus by making the whole first book one unending rape fantasy. The twist is that the rapist actually turns out to be a hero by the end of the series.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Passengers is one of those movie I will never watch because I know how hosed up and monstrous the central premise is and don't want to sit though 90 minutes of Hollywood telling me how romantic it is. I was vaguely aware of the premise but nothing else, having assumed it's a horror movie for the past few years, and lol was I ever surprised after my own google search!
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Sep 10, 2020 17:01
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Xcom: Chimera Squad came out of nowhere early in the quarantine, and everyone thought “Holy crap, surprise Xcom while we’re stuck at home, cool!” Then not much later, events happened that made the idea of controlling a SWAT team full of Whedonesque quipsters somewhat less appealing.
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Sep 10, 2020 17:09
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Passengers is one of those movie I will never watch because I know how hosed up and monstrous the central premise is and don't want to sit though 90 minutes of Hollywood telling me how romantic it is. The movie where several female reviewers wrote about how they had to literally tell male friends why they hated the movie and the men were confused and didn't quite get it. The ending is also a massive "gently caress you" to women in a very demeaning and manipulative way that was also treated as romantic.
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Sep 10, 2020 18:07
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pentyne posted:The movie where several female reviewers wrote about how they had to literally tell male friends why they hated the movie and the men were confused and didn't quite get it. I don't know why so many other men didn't get what was hosed up about Passengers. It isn't subtle. Why, oh why didn't they make it a horror movie?
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Sep 10, 2020 18:15
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Torquemada posted:You’ll be pleased to note that he learned his lesson by the time he wrote his ‘Twilight Of The Gods’ knock-off sci fi opus by making the whole first book one unending rape fantasy. The twist is that the rapist actually turns out to be a hero by the end of the series. The Gap Cycle also had a ton of rape in the first book, and the rapist went on to be a major protagonist. Stephen Donaldson really loves rape in his books.
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Sep 10, 2020 18:19
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Passengers would have worked better as a horror movie. Extend the time Chris Pratt's character is alone by a few more years to really make it clear how far his social isolation has unhinged him and then have him snap when she finds out what he did and rejects him so she has to kill him which is also kind of a twisted mercy for him and then use the final moments of the movie to imply that the social isolation is driving her mad too and she might wake up a passenger of her own. Boom. Easy. sweet geek swag posted:I don't know why so many other men didn't get what was hosed up about Passengers. It isn't subtle. Why, oh why didn't they make it a horror movie? Exactly
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Sep 10, 2020 18:20
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Is that the movie where the guy unfreezes the woman on a space trip dooming her to die alone with him because he thought she was pretty?
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Sep 10, 2020 18:31
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Solice Kirsk posted:Is that the movie where the guy unfreezes the woman on a space trip dooming her to die alone with him because he thought she was pretty? Yes.
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Sep 10, 2020 18:33
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Solice Kirsk posted:Is that the movie where the guy unfreezes the woman on a space trip dooming her to die alone with him because he thought she was pretty? Personally I think the real villain is whoever signed off on the whole thing without having a protocol in place for "what if someone wakes up early"
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Sep 10, 2020 18:33
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A lot of trouble for Passengers could have been solved by the writers just saying Jennifer Lawrence was also accidentally thawed out.
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Sep 10, 2020 18:36
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So they basically made The Collector in space, but decided that the dude was the good guy. Odd choice. edit: The book The Collector. Didn't know they made a slasher movie with the same name.
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Sep 10, 2020 18:36
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There was also a Frederik Pohl short story about a space captain who is the only awake human on a starship full of cryogenically preserved people who awakens a beautiful naked woman for company. The woman yells at him non stop and he freezes her again. When he arrives, he is immediately arrested and is sentenced to have his brain taken out and be used to pilot another starship. Oh, and the name of that story? "The Fiend".
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Sep 10, 2020 18:56
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Solice Kirsk posted:So they basically made The Collector in space, but decided that the dude was the good guy. Odd choice. It’s actually kind of gross because the narrative actually does acknowledge that he did a terrible thing in waking her up. I honestly think the movie would have been less disturbing if it just ignored the implications of what he did and just framed it as romantic instead of trying to have it both ways.
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AceOfFlames posted:There was also a Frederik Pohl short story about a space captain who is the only awake human on a starship full of cryogenically preserved people who awakens a beautiful naked woman for company. The woman yells at him non stop and he freezes her again. When he arrives, he is immediately arrested and is sentenced to have his brain taken out and be used to pilot another starship. I wanna say there was an EC comic that was Passengers but the guy kept putting women out the airlock when he tired of them after unfreezing. christmas boots posted:It’s actually kind of gross because the narrative actually does acknowledge that he did a terrible thing in waking her up. I honestly think the movie would have been less disturbing if it just ignored the implications of what he did and just framed it as romantic instead of trying to have it both ways. Yeah it's bizarre they didn't see the reaction coming. Every review I read was about how monstrous Chris Pratt's character was.
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Sep 10, 2020 19:13
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It was the next step after twilight and 50 shades in the arms race of "huge shithead dudes who women will still like somehow"
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Sep 10, 2020 19:20
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Gaunab posted:A lot of trouble for Passengers could have been solved by the writers just saying Jennifer Lawrence was also accidentally thawed out. But that wouldn't be romantic and show how much he loves her. His ruining her life is an act of true love!
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Sep 10, 2020 19:22
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Groovelord Neato posted:I wanna say there was an EC comic that was Passengers but the guy kept putting women out the airlock when he tired of them after unfreezing. IIRC that's what the guy plans to do but it backfires pretty quickly.
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Sep 10, 2020 19:35
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christmas boots posted:It’s actually kind of gross because the narrative actually does acknowledge that he did a terrible thing in waking her up. I honestly think the movie would have been less disturbing if it just ignored the implications of what he did and just framed it as romantic instead of trying to have it both ways. For real, at least then it's like oh, another romance that's kind of grim and dodgy when you actually think about it - which is fairly common for romantic stories in media and isn't good but at least then you can look at it on a sort of 'depictions of hetero romance are generally pretty morally bankrupt and a lot of it's common tropes are very very uncomfortable' level. The fact they draw attention to it means that on some level, people involved in making it knew that it was hosed up - or that other people would think it was hosed up - and then went ahead and turned it into a straightforward romance anyway. If they'd gone ahead and just made it a dark psychological thriller it would be a masterpiece, instead of one of the most uncomfortable viewing experiences I've ever had.
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Sep 10, 2020 19:50
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christmas boots posted:Personally I think the real villain is whoever signed off on the whole thing without having a protocol in place for "what if someone wakes up early" This would fit right in with a horror take, like make the non-cryo living quarters cramped and uncomfortable thanks to corner cutting and doing the bare minimum to really drive home how miserable the whole experience is. e: Use Cabinet of Dr. Caligari angles, lean in whole hog, turn the ship into a grotesque parody
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Passengers is such a missed opportunity for a good horror movie. I think Pratt could absolutely play a creepy weirdo and there's about a minute right after she finds out what he did that it looks like it's going to go in that direction before Fishburne shows up and the plot swerves away from really dealing with the character's actions.
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Sep 10, 2020 19:58
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sweet geek swag posted:But that wouldn't be romantic and show how much he loves her. His ruining her life is an act of true love! New thread title?
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christmas boots posted:Personally I think the real villain is whoever signed off on the whole thing without having a protocol in place for "what if someone wakes up early" Well the bed broke, no one was there to fix it and the dude was broke. The villain was 
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Passengers feels like there was a better script at some point. It starts with Chris Pratt ending up in a really lovely situation because of random unluckiness and getting hosed over by a faceless corporation, and then making a horrible decision out of desperation and getting caught and having to deal with it... but then Laurence Fishburne shows up and the movie turns into generic action/romance crap.
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Sep 10, 2020 23:13
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Pratt is a creepy weirdo in real life already.
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Sep 10, 2020 23:36
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Correction: a handsome rich creepy weirdo
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christmas boots posted:Passengers would have worked better as a horror movie. Extend the time Chris Pratt's character is alone by a few more years to really make it clear how far his social isolation has unhinged him... This happened in Allen Steele's Coyote. A space opera wherein one of the passengers of a starship is accidentally awakened during the ship's 230 year journey and is unable to go back into stasis. Worse still was that he wasn't the guy who was supposed to be awakened and the original guy was supposed to go back into stasis if the journey was going as expected. He does NOT fare well.
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Flying Zamboni posted:Passengers is such a missed opportunity for a good horror movie. I think Pratt could absolutely play a creepy weirdo and there's about a minute right after she finds out what he did that it looks like it's going to go in that direction before Fishburne shows up and the plot swerves away from really dealing with the character's actions. given how much money he donates to his super homophobic pray-the-gay-away church i agree
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Passengers is even worse then is sounds, gonna go ahead and spoil it since everyone's pretty clear on how bad it is. I made a post way back about it after diving into the details to figure out why it had such a bad female response.quote:Not even that, it's all the vids and letters she reads talking about how she's too wrapped up in her professional life and is missing out on the important things i.e have a man who loves her and it's clear that even before waking up the people in her life diminished her accomplishments and life goals since "fall in love, have kids" wasn't the top of her list. Either some exec with major power demanded romance in the horror movie, or wanted horror in a romance movie because it reads like someone took two plots and just smashed them together. It didn't need all the exposition about how JL's character was a dynamic go-getter missing out on the "important" things in life and by joining the mission leaving behind her chance to start a family and be a mother, the only real job a woman should aspire to. Ending with her choosing to give up the spare pod and instead accept and love her abuser is a loving garbage message. Just a taste of the wildly skewed gender response to the movie Empire, James Dyer quote:Passengers is as surprisingly traditional as it is undeniably effective. A timeless romance wedded to a space-age survival thriller, it may be a curious coupling but Tyldum’s Turing follow-up is a journey well worth taking. The Telegraph, Rebecca Hawkes quote:described the film as not a romance, but "a creepy ode to manipulation", describing the action as a "central act of violence" that is softened and justified pentyne has a new favorite as of 00:38 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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flatluigi posted:given how much money he donates to his super homophobic pray-the-gay-away church i agree Oh absolutely. When he starts aging out of the action movie and romance roles he's going to start his own Christian Evangelical personality cult church.
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Sep 11, 2020 00:41
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It’s gotta be the first one. The set up is so perfectly designed for horror that there’s no way it wasn’t the romance that was tacked on
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The script had been floating around for almost a decade and I'm not sure the original ending is any better.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:The script had been floating around for almost a decade and I'm not sure the original ending is any better. Well it certainly implies a lot more incest
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pentyne posted:Passengers is even worse then is sounds, gonna go ahead and spoil it since everyone's pretty clear on how bad it is. I made a post way back about it after diving into the details to figure out why it had such a bad female response. Well now I want to watch The Talented Passenger Ripley
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Passengers Recut as a Horror Movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bmQmCEF-8Q
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It would have been such a *good* horror movie, too. I'm still kind of baffled as to how so many dudes didn't see what he was doing. Once in a while you realise that there are quite a few men who don't really think of women as, like, *people*, and it's really disquieting.
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Sep 11, 2020 01:44
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For a romance done right might I suggest Twilight
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HopperUK posted:It would have been such a *good* horror movie, too. I'm still kind of baffled as to how so many dudes didn't see what he was doing. Once in a while you realise that there are quite a few men who don't really think of women as, like, *people*, and it's really disquieting. It's less severe then that its just so many men have normalized life through their own experience they can't or don't have any ability to emphasize that women face a fundamentally different experience in social and romantic relationships. It's the whole "I'd be cool with women catcalling me everyday hubba hubba" mentality. They don't actually understand in the slightest the risks and dangers that exist to women.
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