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Megillah Gorilla posted:Wasn't that like the first episode or something? Neither did anyone else.
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Cleretic posted:the famous Shatner Voice everyone makes fun of were either barely there or nonexistant in TOS. he spent most of his time with a dude whom he very often proclaimed his undying and neverending friendship for the very term 'slash' formed out of the insane amount of gay fanfic that TOS generated in the 70s - Kirk/Spock meant a Kirk-Spock relationship, so slash = gay (or so the urban legends go) As far as I'm concerned, to the queer community they're an early queer couple and I've always interpreted the heavy lean on pushing how Kirk is a womanizer by fans as an effort to be all NUH-UH HE SO STR8 LOOK {insert argument from someone here about how men can't just have platonic relationships without someone thinking they're gay, WE HAD NO ONE BACK THEN OK} StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 17:51 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Jul 3, 2019 17:48
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Yeah i can’t remember if my wife came up with it herself or she read it somewhere else but Riker is everything people said Kirk was.
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Sex scenes are an artifact of the pre-streaming era, or at least the pre-internet era. To the raincoated perverts of yesteryear, everyone in the 21st century would seem as jaded hedonists beyond all imagining, able to see anything at any time.
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Bogus Adventure posted:IIRC, warp drive only caused damage if it was used repeatedly via the same route. The damage was being done to a safe passage through an area that made warp speed impossible/dangerous. The speed limit was meant as a compromise to limit damage to that particular safe passage. Everything in Star Trek travels at the speed of plot. If the episode needs the Enterprise to get there before something it does. If it needs the Enterprise to get there after something it does. If the episode needs it to get there at the exact right moment or get derailed along the way and never arrive that's what happens. The  is just the justification for it. They don't really explain the warp drive all that much and sometimes just make up stuff like "this space is bad so we can't go fast."How the FTL stuff works is mostly not relevant to the plot in the first place. They just need to have a space ship that can get from planet A to planet B in the time it takes to have some dialogue appropriate to the plot.
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Oh also TV shows are gonna make a big deal about characters being gay until society stops assuming the automatic default is straight for everybody Gonna shoehorn it innnnnnn until you're so uncomfortable you can't staaaand it, and then we'll keep goinggggggg The only way you can win/stop it is not to care, well and truly. But if you're still trying to be all, 'well, I just didn't like how they made a big deal about it', you're the person we're trying to trample over and it's working. Get trampled. StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 18:33 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Gonna shoehorn it innnnnnn until you're so uncomfortable you can't staaaand it, and then we'll keep goinggggggg ...have you been reading my Kirk/Spock fanfic?
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Kirk/Spock is two men caring for each other. In 2019 that basically means gay because sexual desire is the only emotion men can have now
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Pick posted:Kirk/Spock is two men caring for each other. In 2019 that basically means gay because sexual desire is the only emotion men can have now 'now'?
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Star Trek TOS was pretty much the origin of modern slash fanfic, and the earliest writers and fan club organizers were predominantly women. Kirk/Spock was A Gay Thing longer than most of us have been alive.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Everything in Star Trek travels at the speed of plot. If the episode needs the Enterprise to get there before something it does. If it needs the Enterprise to get there after something it does. If the episode needs it to get there at the exact right moment or get derailed along the way and never arrive that's what happens. The Here's a good translation of what each warp speed means. Warp 1= we are going very slow, something is probably wrong with our ship. Warp 2= we are going slowly, we are not in a hurry, and are intentionally going slow. Warp 5= this is our standard speed. Nothing is urgent, but we aren't just meandering either. Warp 7= situation is slightly urgent Warp 8= situation is very urgent Warp 9= situation is an emergency Warp 9.5 and up= situation is such an emergency that we are putting the ship in danger to get to our destination faster.
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sweet geek swag posted:Here's a good translation of what each warp speed means. I liked Warp n when the technician's magical alien assistant supercharged the warp drive and they ended up in an area of the universe where time space and thought became one, where it would have taken centuries to get back home.
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BioEnchanted posted:I liked Warp n when the technician's magical alien assistant supercharged the warp drive and they ended up in an area of the universe where time space and thought became one, where it would have taken centuries to get back home. Wait, is this the TOS episode where this happened or was there another one too?
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Pick posted:Kirk/Spock is two men caring for each other. In 2019 that basically means gay because sexual desire is the only emotion men can have now thats not true i can also feel rage and hunger
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Wait, is this the TOS episode where this happened or was there another one too? TNG had one in the first season.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:{insert argument from someone here about how men can't just have platonic relationships without someone thinking they're gay, WE HAD NO ONE BACK THEN OK} Pick posted:Kirk/Spock is two men caring for each other. In 2019 that basically means gay because sexual desire is the only emotion men can have now It took less than 10 posts yes there need to be more platonic male friendships in media where they treat each other well don't police that poo poo to people being desperate for gay representation in the 70s tho or go back to the 70s where you so desperately seem to want to live StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 19:01 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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that just means we're one step closer to becoming perfectly logical vulcans just gotta make sure we only feel lust once every seven years and we're golden
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D.... did I just get accused of not liking Star Trek slash ..........
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My point was that the notion of Kirk and Spock being gay was around way before the internet, way before any form of digital media even, and predominantly written for the pleasure of women. Never ascribe societal pressures to what can more easily be explained by smut.
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Oh god I'm having an identity crisis
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WHO AM I
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Pick posted:WHO AM I This  This is you right here Your name is Pick You are on the internet
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BioEnchanted posted:I liked Warp n when the technician's magical alien assistant supercharged the warp drive and they ended up in an area of the universe where time space and thought became one, where it would have taken centuries to get back home. His name is The Traveler, and sometimes he likes to go around looking like Billy Twofeathers from Shining Time Station. Pick posted:D.... did I just get accused of not liking Star Trek slash .......... Pick posted:Oh god I'm having an identity crisis Pick posted:WHO AM I lmao
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Also, here's something to settle this thread down:
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Bogus Adventure posted:Also, here's something to settle this thread down: Robinson's nose is cuter than that.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Wasn't that like the first episode or something? i think it was and it was supposed to be fun and salacious
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Oh also TV shows are gonna make a big deal about characters being gay until society stops assuming the automatic default is straight for everybody You said that better than I was able to, thanks.
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lmao @ picks gimmick backfiring
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Well, Season 2 starts on an odd note with Troi's alien rape baby.
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ulex minor posted:did torchwood deal with the weird 'i'm using alien pheromones to date rape people' with any gravity or was it just that character wiggling his eyebrows to the camera I've never watched Torchwood, but The Orville also did this. And the crew also roofies some alien ambassadors with it to make them bang each other to avert a war or something. It was all handled kinda well for how rapey it was.
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Fun (?) fact about early TNG, many of the scripts were originally Star Trek: Phase II scripts. The Motion Picture was originally the pilot for Phase II, then NBC decided "actually gently caress that" and it was changed to a movie (not altogether well, but that's another discussion). In a lot of early TNG scripts you can plainly see who was the Phase II counterpart-Decker and Riker especially but there's pieces of Ilia in Troi and Data. S2 still had a lot of reused scripts but it's where TNG really started coming into its own-and by S3 they were completely out of Phase II scripts so that's probably a big reason why TNG has such an uptick then. Anyway that episode was a Phase II script. I really wonder if Phase II would have found the success TNG did (relative) 10 years earlier, or if Phase II would have completely killed the franchise.
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Humerus posted:Fun (?) fact about early TNG, many of the scripts were originally Star Trek: Phase II scripts. The Motion Picture was originally the pilot for Phase II, then NBC decided "actually gently caress that" and it was changed to a movie (not altogether well, but that's another discussion). In a lot of early TNG scripts you can plainly see who was the Phase II counterpart-Decker and Riker especially but there's pieces of Ilia in Troi and Data. S2 still had a lot of reused scripts but it's where TNG really started coming into its own-and by S3 they were completely out of Phase II scripts so that's probably a big reason why TNG has such an uptick then. Some Phase II scripts were interesting retro sci-fi concepts, like the Cassandra (child who can foretell the future) and To Attain The All (solar system-sized logic game where the winner gets a massive trove of knowledge) pitches. Devil's Due was also made a TNG episode, and is a pretty great episode IMHO. Phase II definitely would not have killed off the franchise if Voyager still managed to let Berman & Co. crap out Enterprise.
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Koalas March posted:The Rookie Jackson is gay. Seeing the nurse from the hospital.
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Pick posted:D.... did I just get accused of not liking Star Trek slash .......... ...no? people were just saying it's hilarious to use it as an example of 2019 anything when it's been a thing since, like, the 70s e: yeah, first K/S story was published in 1974
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What are sci-fi & fantasy tropes and conventions that we can write off as flippant and grossly insensitive nowadays, unless told by a very well-versed author who knows what they are doing? There's the magical-pregnancy plots in TNG and that Avengers comic everyone likes to forget. If a woman gets pregnant and gives birth in the space of a day then you can't ignore the trauma and the entire element of rape. (Xenomorph impregnation is fine. It's horror and equal-opportunity.) Anything to do with Ancient Astronauts because it usually white guys explaining how non-white civilizations couldn't possibly engineer those pyramids without Extraterrestrial intervention. Having a race of aliens/species who are too obvious counterparts to real-life groups. In the first season of TNG we had a race of aliens from Darkest Africa, and a perfect aryan collective who wanted to execute Wesley for tripping on some flowers.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Anything to do with Ancient Astronauts because it usually white guys explaining how non-white civilizations couldn't possibly engineer those pyramids without Extraterrestrial intervention. Unless you do a Futurama and flip it: 
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exquisite tea posted:My point was that the notion of Kirk and Spock being gay was around way before the internet, way before any form of digital media even, and predominantly written for the pleasure of women. Never ascribe societal pressures to what can more easily be explained by smut. oh yeah deffo agreed, there was a ton of women bc slash is also a playground for playing with sexual roles and it all gets even more complex when you fold in the ol' 'male nerds don't consider the contributions of female nerds as real fandom and try to negate/undo it' chestnut basically everyone knows the kirk/spock thing because it is a classic example of women being a large part of a fandom and helping drive the success of the property, but also overwhelmingly ignored as viewers or fans because 'it's not for you' Pick posted:D.... did I just get accused of not liking Star Trek slash .......... when you play the contrarian 24-7, eventually you're gonna represent All The Positions Your own personal episode of Black Mirror is only just beginning Bogus Adventure posted:Also, here's something to settle this thread down: I accept this offering and am pleased
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Sweevo posted:Neither did anyone else. The first couple seasons are just sort of r rated sexy x-files. Season 3, the children of earth miniseries is fantastic, and season 4 the US showtime produced miracle day has an interesting high concept, but is kind of boring, and also really dumb. someone guesses the ultimate explanation for everything (is jack's blood responsible for making everyone immortal?) And then we get a detailed whovian lore explanation as to why that isn't the case. But then twist, that's actually the reason, and we didn't so much mislead you as straight up lie to you
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:...no? people were just saying it's hilarious to use it as an example of 2019 anything when it's been a thing since, like, the 70s mooooooooooooooooooooom, someone is mansplaining star trek slash to me 
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Wow this new doctor in season 2 is a real bitch to Data, like All the Time. Everyone hates on Wesley but I think he's alright, the character I hate right now is Dr Pulaski. Lt Yar at least had an interesting idea for a backstory even if not much was done with it in the long run.
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