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Krispy Wafer posted:Scott Pilgrim is 23 and Knives has a birthday during all this so at that point they are 5 years apart. Not great, but not 'carry around an age of consent card reference card in your wallet' bad. I got out my copy of the final volume to double check the dialogue, and I have to post the quote on the back. The back of Scott Pilgrim's Finest Hour posted:"Scott Pilgrim is the best book ever. It is the chronicle of our time. With Kung Fu, so, yeah: perfect."
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Shwoo posted:
Oof, that definitely didn't age well. Honestly, I've never understood when people are critical of Scott Pilgrim for being a creepy, trash person. I am forced to assume they never read it, because as has been pointed out, that is what the story is actually about. I particularly like how his bitch ex that ruined him was maybe a bit of a jerk, but was pretty much justified in her treatment of Scott. Scott presents the breakup as being entirely down to her being evil, when in reality it was because she wanted to grow up and be an adult and he didn't. Scott acted like a whiny little baby about it and she cut him out. They even get to have some closure later when they both mature a bit and Scott realizes what he'd done.
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Krispy Wafer posted:We might be overthinking morality in Scott Pilgrim's world. An innocent child gets disintegrated during their Battle of the Bands and no one even blinks. This is completely accurate to real world Toronto, let’s be honest.
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Lemony posted:Honestly, I've never understood when people are critical of Scott Pilgrim for being a creepy, trash person. I am forced to assume they never read it, because as has been pointed out, that is what the story is actually about. There are a lot of people who don't understand that just because a character is or does [bad thing] doesn't mean the writer is condoning it.
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Shwoo posted:Knives doesn't turn eighteen until the last volume, when Scott is already twenty-four, so it's something like six and a bit years. Man, way back I tried dating this one girl where we had the exact same age difference, except we were both two years older (i.e. she was 19 and turned 20, I was 26 and about to turn 27) so less creepy. Things manifestly failed to go anywhere, we were simply in too dissimilar places EVEN THOUGH I might at the time count as an immature manchild. At least I had the good sense to just bow out and not bother anyone about it.
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Shwoo posted:Knives doesn't turn eighteen until the last volume, when Scott is already twenty-four, so it's something like six and a bit years. She reveals in that scene that they met on her seventeenth birthday, and Scott responds "So... uh... how's it feel to be... uh... no longer a child in the eyes of the law?" with an arrow pointing to his face that says "Sketchy-rear end 24-year-old". 6 years seems like nothing now, then I remembered back in college when I cut ties with a dude because he was 24 and hitting on my 18 year old friend and it creeped everyone out.
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Lemony posted:Honestly, I've never understood when people are critical of Scott Pilgrim for being a creepy, trash person. I am forced to assume they never read it, because as has been pointed out, that is what the story is actually about. It's almost like the idea that someone can slowly, painfully come to the realization that they aren't really a good person and then start the long, slow, difficult process of changing themselves for the better is uncomfortable or hard to accept.
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I've seen people level the same complaint at High Fidelity, and it's like yea, Rob is an absolutely poo poo person and treats everyone in his life terribly while moping about he's the victim. He eventually starts to get his act together thanks to his girlfriend, though I think it's clearer in the book. in the book at the end he starts making a mixtape for this zine girl interviewing him, and he catches himself falling back into old behavior and has a "what the gently caress am I doing?" moment of clarity which I don't remember being in the movie but it's been a while.
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Len posted:And unrelated to the above problems I thought a luchador showing up to fight vampires was hilarious but didn't find out until well after that movie that luchadors fighting monsters is just a thing so it wasn't unique and also they used a Santo mask and had a guy be Santo. El Diablo Robótico! Probably my favourite thing in Angel. "Hey Wesley, did you know the Devil made a robot?"
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Megillah Gorilla posted:El Diablo Robótico! No, no, no 
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Jun 27, 2020 14:06
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Not in the problematic sense but Game of Chairs has gotten even funnier now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhWUFXvaZjo
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There's a scene in Garth Marenghi's Darkplace where a giant eyeball-monster with a massive penis has intercourse with a man, and then the man instantly gives birth to a baby eyeball-monster. What dates the scene for me is that the hospital porter who appears in the same scene is played by Graham Linehan.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:There's a scene in Garth Marenghi's Darkplace where a giant eyeball-monster with a massive penis has intercourse with a man, and then the man instantly gives birth to a baby eyeball-monster. Sounds like Graham’s vision of what women’s bathrooms must be like.
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I think Linehan's also in the last episode, where a woman is turning into broccoli and Sanch has to have his penis amputated. I really need to rewatch Darkplace.
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Darkplace is probably my favorite British comedy, and really Graham Linehan being in it at all is the only sour spot in my opinion. Still loads of fun, even after I've watched it multiple times over.
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Darkplace is the only time someone making something so bad it's good on purpose worked because they put in an amazing amount of effort into it.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:There's a scene in Garth Marenghi's Darkplace where a giant eyeball-monster with a massive penis has intercourse with a man, and then the man instantly gives birth to a baby eyeball-monster. I sincerely love Garth Merenghi's Darkplace, except for this scene. It's the only thing that really breaks the illusion for me; everything else is feasibly something you could sort of imagine happening in a show like what Darkplace is pitched as, but that scene is just too graphic and overt, you couldn't possibly pass it off in the same way as everything else. Even then the episode is saved by the ballad about the dead son, though.
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There was an episode of Avatar where they sneak into a fire nation town during a big celebration. That celebration? It's called Fire Fest.
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grittyreboot posted:There was an episode of Avatar where they sneak into a fire nation town during a big celebration. That celebration? It's called Fire Fest. Was it a disaster?
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I've been watching Cowboy Bebop for the first time, and for the most part it ages really well, especially the stuff you probably wouldn't expect to. Its approach on the future being to ignore the big fancy stuff and go 'regular life is lovely in mostly the same ways as it is now, it's just in space instead' is great. ...really could've done without the totally random and inconsequential trans panic character that turns up for one story around the middle, though.
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Jul 7, 2020 14:44
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Interestingly it looks like the line "anything but blue" was added to the English dub, where in the Japanese dub she says something like "kawaikune" meaning, that's not cute or something. Problem is I don't really get this line either. Jupiter Jazz could have been the best episodes but I think the commentary on trans people was a huge misfire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVD7wVm629Q
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I honestly don't get what Jupiter Jazz is trying to say about trans people because 1. Gren is a sympathetic character. 2. The only person who has any reaction to his condition is Faye and 3. Faye's reaction is very over the top. The whole subplot always felt tacked on and I never got why it was there in the first place. I guess the most likely scenario is that it didn't really intend to say anything about trans people but ended up sending the wrong signals anyway.
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Yeah, it's been a while since I've seen it but I think they were going for (a very unfortunate take on) body horror (if I recall, Gren's transformation was explicitly because of military experimentation or something rather than something voluntary) rather than making any intended commentary about trans people.
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The real crime is not watching the English dub of Cowboy Bebop.
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docbeard posted:Yeah, it's been a while since I've seen it but I think they were going for (a very unfortunate take on) body horror (if I recall, Gren's transformation was explicitly because of military experimentation or something rather than something voluntary) rather than making any intended commentary about trans people. It's all a bit muddy. Gen develops gynecomastia (males growing breast tissue) after being unwillingly subjected to experimental drugs in prison that increase his estrogen levels. But, his sax scene clearly mimics The Crying Game with all the baggage that entails.
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on the other hand, Ed is a very apt portrayal of a kid who is non-binary. They probably should have just made the whole thing into one episode and omitted the weird parts with Gren's apartment
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Toshimo posted:It's all a bit muddy. Gen develops gynecomastia (males growing breast tissue) after being unwillingly subjected to experimental drugs in prison that increase his estrogen levels. But, his sax scene clearly mimics The Crying Game with all the baggage that entails. Yeah, it's the sort of thing where it's not unsalvageable, but in its current form is the worst-aged part of the entire show because of it. I feel like a modern version of it would either cut out that entire subplot, because it really doesn't do anything, or rework it to be... you know, NOT the worst possible angle they could've taken. The on-paper details of him as a character aren't terrible, it's that what little they do with him is basically a list of the worst choices they could've made.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Mark Millar makes one-shot comics for the sole purpose of them being movie fodder. Throw him on the pile.
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, it's the sort of thing where it's not unsalvageable, but in its current form is the worst-aged part of the entire show because of it. The one thing you might take from that scene is that maybe it's about how Faye isn't as worldly as she seems to be. It would make sense as Vicious episodes usually developed that aspect of her personality. That's probably the most charitable interpretation I can come up with.
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sweet geek swag posted:The one thing you might take from that scene is that maybe it's about how Faye isn't as worldly as she seems to be. It would make sense as Vicious episodes usually developed that aspect of her personality. That's probably the most charitable interpretation I can come up with. Faye is kind of a dumbass, but streetsmart as hell. They just needed a better portrayal of Gren and what was going on with their poo poo.
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Faye also came from an era where VHS and Betamax were king
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Jokerpilled Drudge posted:Faye is kind of a dumbass, but streetsmart as hell. They just needed a better portrayal of Gren and what was going on with their poo poo. Like the entire point of Faye's storyline is about how her street smarts aren't actually real, and she's just a really adaptable liar. She doesn't actually understand how criminals and the like operate and it's why she is constantly getting in trouble when she runs up against the real deal. Faye pretending to act tough and then reacting with horror at something outside her actually limited experience is very on point for her. It also doesn't really solve the problem of Gren's presentation and only the problem of Faye's reaction to him.
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Remulak posted:Wanted is the only comic I finished reading in the last, I dunno, decade? It’s not movie fodder it’s a deliberate troll of comic fans. Wanted is the one where the dude kills his supervillan dad and gets a bajillion dollars, right? And it ends with him boasting about being rich and banging hot chicks and calling the readers pussies because they wasted their time reading it? Because yeah, that comic is a ride. And somehow still got made into a movie.
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Remulak posted:Wanted is the only comic I finished reading in the last, I dunno, decade? It’s not movie fodder it’s a deliberate troll of comic fans. Its not a troll, every Millar comic is unintentionally bad in that way. You could make an argument that the man made a career in trolling but that way lies irony poisoning.
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Mark Millar is garbage, just complete trash
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purple death ray posted:Mark Millar is garbage, just complete trash He licks goats
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Samuringa posted:Its not a troll, every Millar comic is unintentionally bad in that way.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:They're not, which really makes it worse. Millar can do fun, light-hearted stuff when he wants to, he just chooses to make edgy poo poo most of the time. He did a good Superman, as I recall. Although thinking about it, there's a few comics writers who often did bad work but turned in good Superman. I think it's because Superman is so very staunchly the antithesis of the sort of writing they naturally lean towards, so they can't fall into their usual traps.
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VanSandman posted:He licks goats Free Travis Charest.
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Cleretic posted:He did a good Superman, as I recall. Theres a long standing rumor that Red Son (and a lot of Millars other early work up through the early 2000s) had significant input from Grant Morrison helping him out. Although I would back up what Doctor Spaceman said; Millar is actually capable of some good comicbook writing when he chooses to be (I'd actually recommend "Jupiters Legacy" as being legitimately good, and surprisingly bereft of his usual tics), its just that he finds it easier (and more profitable) to write edgelord juvenile schlock. After all, he made big money for adaptations of Wanted and Kick-rear end, why try harder?
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