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deoju posted:This all sounds pretty interesting. Could you point me in the direction of more info? Thanks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wsHjT8sPi4 EDIT: actually I think it was this one instead! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKC8xWmScME That Italian Guy has a new favorite as of 16:11 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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The Windam Earle stuff in Season 2 of Twin Peaks is dull cliche evil genius serial killer stuff. I actually prefer the soapy schlock like James on the road or the beauty contest. The last couple of episodes though are possibly the best thing ever shown on television.
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Jul 20, 2021 16:11
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Yeah Windom Earle sucked He was like an Adam West Batman villain
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Jul 20, 2021 16:48
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Windam Earle stuff in Season 2 of Twin Peaks is dull cliche evil genius serial killer stuff. I actually prefer the soapy schlock like James on the road or the beauty contest. I realise Earle isn't objectively great, but he has a 60s Batman villian energy I enjoy and he locks Ted Raimi in a giant chess piece. I mean, I also like the beauty contest and Super-Nadine, but could do without James' soft-porn adventure.
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If you want to watch some more stuff about trans people in media, representation, acting, producing, etc, check out Disclosure on netflix, it's very good.
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Jul 20, 2021 17:17
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I think Dreamsounds recently did something about queer coding in Disney but it's hard to check from my phone. Some Like It Hot is my favourite movie with cross-dressing in it and I don't think it's too awful these days but I haven't watched for a while. I still hope Jerry and Osgood made it work somehow.
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Jul 20, 2021 17:41
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HopperUK posted:I think Dreamsounds recently did something about queer coding in Disney but it's hard to check from my phone. i haven't watched it very recently, but i remember it aging decently -- the final scene certainly does
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Jul 20, 2021 17:47
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Mr Interweb posted:also, another show that surprisingly positive portrayal of trans people was fricken' Sons of Anarchy. figure it was also probably able to get away with it too cause the shows hypermasculine but also a soap opera for dudes. kind of like with the gay characters in Spartacus Like, ferinstance TGTropes dot com posted:• Maybe I'd Be Normal if I Hadn't Been Molested I mean, yeah, they don't out and out say "this person is a disgusting monster who should be set on fire" but putting this in the positive representation pile is a stretch
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HopperUK posted:I think Dreamsounds recently did something about queer coding in Disney but it's hard to check from my phone. Don't know about Dreamsounds but you might like Matt Baume, Evil Queens - What Makes Disney Villains so Gay?
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Jul 20, 2021 18:05
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Mr Interweb posted:also, another show that surprisingly positive portrayal of trans people was fricken' Sons of Anarchy. figure it was also probably able to get away with it too cause the shows hypermasculine but also a soap opera for dudes. kind of like with the gay characters in Spartacus Sons of Anarchy is a decent story ruined by a lovely writer who couldn't get out of his own way.
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Jul 20, 2021 18:31
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Barry Foster posted:Yeah Windom Earle sucked Which is it???
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Jul 20, 2021 18:59
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Sons of Anarchy is a decent story ruined by a lovely writer who couldn't get out of his own way. The good bits are just Hamlet but as outlaw bikers.
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Jul 20, 2021 19:04
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christmas boots posted:Which is it??? I think people miss that someone like that is a great foil for Dale Cooper, 30yr old boy detective.
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Jul 20, 2021 19:38
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Sons of Anarchy is a decent story ruined by a lovely writer who couldn't get out of his own way. Now I'm curious about what not getting out of his own way means. I watched all of SOA and I'd say once they gang comes back from Ireland just stop watching cause it's all downhill.
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Jul 20, 2021 20:47
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After seven seasons, did Jax get to the bottom of things?
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Jul 20, 2021 21:01
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Six feet closer, at any rate.
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bunnyofdoom posted:But also we wouldn't have gotten Dunkaccino My roommate started watching Jack and Jill on Tubi yesterday, suddenly I had an errand to run.
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Jul 20, 2021 21:20
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bunnyofdoom posted:But also we wouldn't have gotten Dunkaccino That "burn this" monologue almost makes J&J worth it because you can clearly tell Pacino is really talking about the movie he's in, as opposed to that ad.
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Jul 20, 2021 22:36
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Inspector Gesicht posted:After seven seasons, did Jax get to the bottom of things? The crow flew straight.
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Jul 20, 2021 22:46
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I don't think you should quote a site that has a page called "everyone wants the hermaphrodite" in any discussion of... anything really but especially representation.
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Jul 20, 2021 23:06
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packetmantis posted:I don't think you should quote a site that has a page called "everyone wants the hermaphrodite" in any discussion of... anything really but especially representation. • TGTropes dot com is not in fact a website that exists and the format of those examples is parodical and not even consistent • Kiss my grits • The content of that list, while mimicking a certain style, reflect my observations of trans people in media over a lifetime • Slip your hand under the skirt of my grits • I am a whole-rear end adult transsexual and unless you are able to discuss representation with some degree of comparable experience then slide up that skirt and • Deepthroat my grits
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Jul 21, 2021 01:01
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packetmantis posted:Wow.
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I've been watching Psych for the first time. It's goofy and kind of funny but what's kind of dragging it out is the character of Lassiter. It's all well and good to play up how terrible he is for jokes (being a cop, protesting against healthcare, being a cop, knocking someone out for saying Reagan was a bad president) but then the show also expects me to care about him getting married and having a kid and being worried about being a cop because of that. I would say the copaganda hasn't aged well but that kind of thing is still going stronger than ever, so it kind of just sucks. Also there were a handful of pretty gross transphobic jokes dragging down one of the most important 'serious' episodes so far.
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Would you care to elaborate on this sentiment, Owen? I'm not sure what there is to elaborate on, really. I assumed you had typoed TVTropes, which I immensely dislike because as an intersex person that h word is extremely triggering for me. Sorry for misinterpreting your post.
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Iron Crowned posted:My roommate started watching Jack and Jill on Tubi yesterday, suddenly I had an errand to run. Was it to get a new roommate?
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Jedit posted:I have never felt the urge to revisit Escape From LA. It's bad. counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HOCIXroqQ Don't remember the rest of the movie well enough to know what the previous poster was referencing though
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packetmantis posted:I'm not sure what there is to elaborate on, really. I assumed you had typoed TVTropes, which I immensely dislike because as an intersex person that h word is extremely triggering for me. Sorry for misinterpreting your post.
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Jul 21, 2021 01:47
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deoju posted:This all sounds pretty interesting. Could you point me in the direction of more info? Thanks. Lindsey Ellis did a video talking about Psycho, Silence of the Lambs and other movies were influential in how trans people were represented in film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTMidTLO60
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That Italian Guy posted:but looking at my YouTube history, it may have been from this one: Doctor Spaceman posted:Lindsey Ellis did a video talking about Psycho, Silence of the Lambs and other movies were influential in how trans people were represented in film. Hey, thanks. I love movies and I find human sexuality and gender really interesting, so this is up my alley.
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I blame a lot of things on our Forever Wars, but I really think you can draw a line from advances in medicine to more disfigured men coming home from war to stereotypical gay and trans villains. You used to be able to just show a hosed up person and everyone would go " Oh, thats the bad guy!" because years of movies and stories had given us that visual short hand, but then soldiers started surviving long enough to come home, and a lot of them were pretty wrecked. You couldn't have physically deformed men be the go to anymore because those men were heroes! If they weren't they'd feel pretty bad about having big old chunks of their body blown off! And the media made it look like everyone went to war. Look back at old movies and comics, if there was a character who hadn't been to war, it was either explained so people wouldn't ask that question, or it was a major plot point. So then we needed a new code for "this is obviously the bad guy", and a really quick, really lazy way is to show someone transgressing against social mores and norms. Trans and gay people were just a super easy target. Also you could get a little more juice out of a story by making a killer gay to be extra scary, because then he could be a threat to me, the default white male.
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Ellie Trashcakes posted:Oh gently caress! I apologize, because I misinterpreted too. I went chihuahua without thinking and I'm really sorry. About your "grits" tho...
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Jul 21, 2021 03:03
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Subscribe to onlygrits.com/Ellie
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Jul 21, 2021 05:35
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MariusLecter posted:About your "grits" tho...
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Jul 21, 2021 05:41
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goldenninjawarrior posted:I wondered the other night if the Brass Eye episodes that aren't Paedo-Geddon have aged well but I'm too worried to check in case they have not. Dunno about Brass Eye, but The Day Today has a flat-out blackface sketch (Fur-Q)
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Jul 21, 2021 08:03
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The League of Gentleman's trans taxi driver sketch is the nadir of British TV transphobia. Absolutely hateful.
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Bolingbroke posted:The League of Gentleman's trans taxi driver sketch is the nadir of British TV transphobia. Absolutely hateful. I revisited this a few years back as I remembered parts of it as being great but that part and the weird blackface definitely makes it hard to watch now.
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hallo spacedog posted:I revisited this a few years back as I remembered parts of it as being great but that part and the weird blackface definitely makes it hard to watch now. There's so much great stuff in there that it really sucks to have Babs in there (Papa Lazarou I get people being uncomfortable with but it's not actually them pretending to be a black person so I can deal with it) so I can't recommend it to people. Fortunately their newer stuff is still good and doesn't have any lovely stuff in it unless I missed it so I usually just tell people to check that out
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christmas boots posted:The good bits are just Hamlet but as outlaw bikers. It started going downhill at the end of the first season when they decided not to kill off biker Ophelia because the character was too popular and killed off his wife instead.
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