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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Was it the voice acting? I don't remember much about the plot outside of the general outline, and of course, the flying golden condor.

In early 90s America it aired early weekday mornings and I would see the end of an episode every morning as I got ready for school. I remember there were aliens living in the center of the Earth that wanted to drain the kids' blood? Also it ends on a cliffhanger where the adult hero abandons the kids after they melt the city of gold. Or maybe the French just know how to depress the gently caress out of kids.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

JediTalentAgent posted:

The thing is that Lexx, had it not been so sex comedy focused, would have maybe been regarded some 20 years later as this ahead-of-its-time, surreal sci-fi adventure. I don't know the best way to describe it other than something like cosmic horror-lite or cosmic fantasy than most sci-fi tended to be.

I would say it’s like Germany’s idea of science fiction, which is grotesque and full of broad comedy and probably dongs in the German version.

It’s like that other sci-fi channel show, The First Wave. It was obviously made with the intention that it would be on a premium channel, as every episode had loving and blurred nudity. Invading aliens apparently think the best way to take over a planet is with sex-related plotting.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

fruit on the bottom posted:

Although the bigger plot points about Walt not being able to afford medical treatment for a life-threatening illness, and the same thing for Hank’s physical therapy have aged like a loving wine.

We're almost right back there--maybe one republican-sponsored bill to go and pre-existing conditions are back, baby.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It also took the “old people always hate new music” reflex to its height by having the music kids listened to be industrial press and drill noises from a sound library. I don’t know if it was meant ironically.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

roomforthetuna posted:

Ehh, I don't mind it as much there because it went from "working for the government" to "fighting petty criminals, which is a thing the government is generally okay with". It's just a change of scale.

The thing I hate about the progression with Leverage is that the bad guys in season one often were members of the government, and then later the team is like "oh yeah we should totally do this because someone in the government asked us to" with no thinking critically about it at all. It's not a change of scale, it's a complete change of allegiance.

And the same with the A-Team, the intro is basically "screwed over by the government, these guys help people by doing whatever the gently caress they want" and then by season 5 they're pretty much working for the government again.

It's okay as a generic action nonsense show. He does more dodging bullets than he does MacGyvering.

For A-Team and Airwolf, it’s because the 80s saw a really powerful transformation of the culture away from being suspicious of the military to unreservedly loving it as Reagan chased those Vietnam clouds away.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Ein cooler Typ posted:

Is it a violation if you say "i have a patient who does this" without giving identifying information

If it's in the context of giving some kind of insight or suggestion to another patient, it seems like it would be a major source of help and maybe the key means by which a professional would learn and grow once in private practice.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Didn’t MacGuyver get a child friend who he taught science to or helped with school or something?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


This is so tone-deaf it blows my mind, and also underscores the problem behind that particular character trait:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE_5_BbZlbI

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Choco1980 posted:

It's weird that some times L&O tries to take a stand about prison rape, but then has no problem completely flip flopping and making threats and jokes on the subject.

Early svu episodes have some pretty terrible attitudes toward trans people, even as vanilla experimented (clumsily) with having sympathetic trans characters of the week sometimes.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Wasn’t the whole point of the joke that wrestling is fake? Did 70s people not know that wrestling is fake?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The best Eric Andre thing was when he went to a speech by Alex Jones and Jones yelled from the stage to “bring that boy up here” and a bunch of chuds started shoving him toward the stage. For about a minute you can read genuine fear on his face as it dawns on him that he has no idea what will happen next but that a lynching is not outside the range of possibilities.

And then he recovers himself and starts loving with Jones once he’s up there.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Krispy Wafer posted:

Yeah, the uncut version added like 300 more pages. There's no way to film all of the original 700+ pages, they won't add stuff in a version most people didn't read.

I vaguely recall the TV miniseries version had a pretty kick rear end opening to 'Don't Fear the Reaper'.

The only version that’s been available since like 1990 is the uncut one. I’d love to read the original one day to see the 70s pop culture references.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I've been getting into The Outer Limits, too. It seems like it positioned itself as a bleaker, more extreme Twilight Zone, but it holds up very well. All those shows were basically just a different stage play every week and showcase a lot of strong writing and acting from a time before the people making television worked their whole lives in television.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

roomforthetuna posted:

Quality of Mercy and the Light Brigade were excellent. Quality of Mercy was only mediocre on its own, but it becomes great when paired with its sequel episode.

I was thinking of the 60s one, but the 90s one is extremely solid. I have many childhood memories of having my mind blown and also of wondering how they would shoehorn naked boobs (but only boobs) into any particular episode.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Koalas March posted:

Is Outer Limits on Hulu or Netflix or Amazon or anything?

It’s on Hulu, but I watched it on the weird great digital substation Comet, which airs it on the weekends (or used to—it looks like they air it late on Sunday night now). Comet has a streaming app if you don’t get it over the air. It’s basically a bottomless archive of weird-rear end horror and sci-fi movies from 1960-2000, heavy on AIP and anything that ended up in MGM’s archive

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

A late-90s Vancouver-done syndicated Ghostbusters show with that guy would have been perfect. He shows up a lot in Canadian film and tv of that era.

If we’re doing a dream cast for an Alliance Atlantis Ghostbusters show, the Chief from the 2004 Battlestar Galactica should be Ray and Roger Cross from Continuum and First Wave should be Winston.

It would be drearier and more dour than the movie, for both location and budget reasons.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The one where Dennis Hopper is a white supremacist really gets at the psychology of people like that. It’s extremely relevant for today’s resurgent fascism, although it also gets mad points for understanding that fascism will never go away and must be met with vigorous opposition from the first appearance.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

JediTalentAgent posted:

Can a whole channel age poorly?

Bravo in the 90s was great and now I don't even know what they are.

The Learning Channel

The History Channel

A&E

The Sci Fi Channel

USA

All cable channels tend toward entropy as they chase larger numbers by watering down whatever their original niche was.

The opposite has only happened the one time when TNN discovered that Dukes of Hazard was their highest rated show and pivoted to being purely 70s-80s pop culture trash overnight.

Also the Discovery Channel subchannel that was supposed to be about living green turned into a true crime channel by means of a similar process.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Kids don’t watch tv seems to be most of it. Thanks to tablets and streaming they don’t really understand the concept of television as a set schedule run independently of the attention of the viewer, so all the kid channels are getting into on-demand in a big way and just cramming the daily schedule with whatever’s popular.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Neito posted:

I kinda miss the era of unexplored wild frontiers. I feel like Adult Swim is one of the last channels really trying to keep up the weird, surreal feeling of watching something that you've never seen before (Eric Andre/Infomercials style Adult Swim, not Rick and Morty/Family Guy Adult Swim).

Definitely check out the currently burgeoning world of digital substations. Joe Bob Briggs just got a show on the streaming service Shudder (not a cable channel, I know).

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Doesn't sexual abuse essentially pay forward, where those abused are more likely to consider abuse normal, and therefore perpetuate it? :smith:

This is not true. Abusers are more likely to have been abused than a randomly selected person, but being abused does not correlate significantly with being an abuser. There are multiple other factors at play with someone becoming an abuser.

As far as consent goes, the strongest factor is living in a culture with a poor understanding of consent and bodily autonomy or emotional intelligence (like America in the 80s).

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


I did not mean for that to come out so harshly. It’s something that was believed for a long time but has been revised from years of work counseling victims.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Araenna posted:

So it's a coincidence that abusers are more likely to have been abused?

Keep in mind that there are vastly more victims than abusers, by like at least an order of magnitude.

Think of it like that folk story about a lot of serial killers getting concussed between the ages of 8 and 11 or whatever. Even if it were true, its explanatory potential is severely limited by the fact that many, many people have the same thing happen to them and don’t become serial killers. It’s a weak correlation that doesn’t really help figure anything out.

Also, abusers are more likely than an average person to lie for sympathy or attention.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

BrigadierSensible posted:

If I remember rightly wasn't Murphy Brown's heinous crime, (in Dan Quayles eyes), to be a *gasp* single working mother?

Also she used weed to recover from chemotherapy.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The 80s Fringe opening is extremely my jam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOGo5iAEngU

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Mu Zeta posted:

Aatrek also loved that Fringe intro

Is there anything pedophiles don't destroy?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Nerds have always had a trash streak a mile wide, because they are entitled men who see other men getting what they want and feel persecuted for it.

Revenge of the Nerds is all about a rapist convincing a black man that nerds are a minority that is seriously discriminated against, and both things are presented as justified triumphs.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

JacquelineDempsey posted:

:psyduck: Really? I never saw the show until I had to stay with my in-laws for a few months last year, and they turned it on every night when we gathered around the dinner table --- even though they hated it (for even deeper level of :psyduck:); I guess they were just a couple in their early 70's who had Stockholm Syndrome of always putting channel 7 on at dinner time, idk. I should be in BBT's target demographic, I'm a big ol' comics/sci-fi/internet geek, but I absolutely hated it. Could well be because of the situation I was in while introduced to it (dinner with Trump-loving in-laws is never pleasant). But the fact that it's been on that long, and that well-received, it blows my mind.

I'm an old fart who grew up with shows like MASH and The Jeffersons and All In the Family, and, later, The Simpsons and Friends on during the 6pm syndicated tv dinner hour. If I win the lottery, I'm making a channel that will be basically that. (Essentially, what Nickelodeon used to be, if anyone here remembers what Nick at Nite was)

Check for over-the-air digital substations. There are a few that hit shows in that arc. FXX has exclusive rights to The Simpsons for now.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Randallteal posted:

I'm rewatching bits of Buffy and man. When I was a teenager I thought season 6 was really cool because it was less episodic and more serious than the early stuff. Seeing it again in context with the rest of the show is reminding me of how many of my least favorite stories happened in season 6 though, and how dumb and mean-spirited a lot of it was.


- Dawn becomes a compulsive kleptomaniac
- Xander and Anya's marriage acrimoniously falls apart
- Spike becomes a lovely, abusive boyfriend
- Willow gets hooked on magic and leaves Dawn alone at her creepy magic dealer's place while she gets magically high and then crashes her car and almost kills both of them and has to go through loving magic rehab
- Giles fucks off for almost the whole thing
- Tara is killed accidentally by a proto-gamergator with a handgun
- Buffy lets terrible things happen to her because she's depressed and guilty that she was happier when she was dead


Like the very beginning and ending of the season are cool, but most of it is DIRE.

There’s a commentary track on the Freaks and Geeks dvds where Rebecca Kirshner talks about an episode she wrote about Lindsey shoplifting, but mentions that she eventually dumped it because everyone was pressuring her to make it like an addiction or a sexual thrill when she thought it was a funny minor aspect of teen life to explore and nothing else.

Then a few years later she’s writing for Buffy and all that dumb poo poo ends up in her story about shoplifting.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


I feel like most shows try not to be this contemporary so that the only thing that will age poorly is the culture that normalizes sexual harassment and exploitation of authority.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The best version of Sherlock Holmes is the one where he teams up with Freud and they fight a team of trained assassin horses. In that one Moriarty is a high-school math teacher that Holmes terrorizes and harasses because he’s coked-up out of his mind and having delusions. Alan Arkin is Freud. It’s great.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DicktheCat posted:

Say what? What version is this, I want to see it!

The Seven Percent Solution. It’s less bonkers than it sounds but still really bonkers. It’s probably the most sympathetic and humanizing portrayal of Freud in all of fiction.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

MariusLecter posted:

Decided to give Ren and Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoon another watch for... I hate myself.



And just in case you didn’t know, John K is not only an unfunny hack, but a rapist of children who will probably be prosecuted soon.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

ToxicSlurpee posted:

It was also a product of the times and groundbreaking in that gross out stuff basically didn't happen on that level. The earliest stuff was great but well...k himself is a total poo poo that doesn't play well with others. Apparently he'd just ignore deadlines and be all like :siren: MY VISION :siren: whenever that or somebody telling him he couldn't do something came up. Nick keeping him on a leash definitely did a lot. Adult party cartoon was insane garbage.

Didn’t he only do five episodes or so before they fired him?

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

londonarbuckle posted:

Oh yeah, I remember reading a long rundown years and years ago (maybe the one you're referencing?) of how John K got fired that extensively painted Bob Camp as the villain, which I believed at the time. But the more I actually learned about him after that the more opposite of reality it clearly was. But his cult of personality eats that poo poo up. He's quite a good manipulator, it turns out.

You can hear it in that creepy clip where he talks about kids enjoying and wanting to see nudity and sex because they’re mature enough to handle it, then prompting Rice to describe drawings she made when she was 15 and praising them. That’s like textbook grooming behavior, even though he’s just describing things in a video (that have nothing to do with the cartoon he’s supposed to be introducing). I would be surprised if there were only two victims.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


Well, she was right insofar as she could manage to ignore nazis and have her life remain exactly the same.

That segment was so lovely that people started calling it satirical of the cowardly liberal position, which I guess it could be if you ignore intent of the cowardly liberals who wrote and performed it.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Milo and POTUS posted:

What 9/11 did to old conservatives, the bush administration did to Carlin (for good reason, admittedly). I'm glad he didn't live to see Trump.


e: I also think Trump broke Colbert completely

You can see his poo poo collapse on that live show he did on election night. I think he even says something like "all of my gags were built on the premise that America had a conscience."

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Sunswipe posted:

I don't know if it's aged badly or extremely well, but there's an episode of Sledge Hammer! where he demonstrates what an over the top, gun-loving lunatic he is by making the insane comment that teachers should be armed.

Class of 1999 seems like the only thing it got wrong was the date. I can totally see Trump pushing for Terminators in the classroom.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOM2jgzBBhs

The department of education is developing such a plan right now.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Mooseontheloose posted:

I know you probably didn't mean it this way but I don't think Colbert is loyal to the institution of the Catholic Church more so he is a believer in (most) of the teachings of Catholicism. It's not like he defends the church and its actions nor would he say that the institution isn't fallible, he just happens to really believe in the religion.

He’s a fabian socialist and so probably doesn’t think too highly of the church as an institution.

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I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I’d say it would be more like transphobia that doesn’t understand that it isn’t homophobia. Like in the Mystery Science Theater 3000 short with Mr. B Natural they make a ton of jokes about Mr. B being gay, even though what they seem to be noticing is that the impish, Peter Pan-inspired Mr. B is played by a woman. It’s like something makes them uncomfortable and they don’t quite get that it’s a woman in drag that bothers them so they keep shouting, “you’re gay, Mr. B Natural!”

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