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goldenninjawarrior posted:My favourite practical effects are just basic camera trickery like this: Heh, what's that from?
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The funniest and most shocking thing about South Park is that the one issue I am aware of the show comes down hard on one-way-or-the-other is pedophilia. The NAMBLA episode goes out of its way to condemn pedophilia. It's hilarious and surprising in equal measure that being against pedophilia is the one and only firm political stance two guys who are otherwise like the platonic ideal of libertarians are willing to take.
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8one6 posted:Dear god. I've read some real poo poo in my life but oof. It's been a hot minute but I remember there being a lot more fun and stupid stuff in that movie. I love it. "That's my planet you're about to blow up! And that's my wife! And that's... well, that's just some guy I met, but still!" "We wear these costumes to disguise ourselves." "Wow, you really have birds this big on your planet?" "No." I forget if it was here on this site, or maybe some other one (I-Mockery perhaps?) but I once read a description of Mom and Dad Save the World as 'the movie that the Super Mario Bros. Movie desperately wanted to be" and like... somehow, yeah. I don't know why, but that line feels right. EDIT: Obviously Jeffrey Jones being in a film and not behind bars is something that has aged poorly, which is a shame because I always thought he was great in most things I saw him in and it sucks he has to be a monster, but yeah. Mom and Dad Save the World is gloriously stupid and I love it.
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Enter the Spider-Verse is so good and the rest of Sony's output so generally terrible that I can only surmise Enter the Spider-Verse was some sort of quality vampire and stole all the goodness from these other projects.
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Spider-Man 3 is bad but I never got the hate it gets. People act like it's this complete loving trashfire like Amazing Spider-Man 2, X-Men 3 (either version) or Catwoman when it's not. It's just bad. Maybe it's because people liked the first two so much that their reaction was so much more hyperbolic, or because over-the-top internet criticism was kind of reaching its peak around then if I'm remembering the years right, but it always seemed off to me that people treated Spider-Man 3 like it killed their dog.
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oldpainless posted:Agreed. There’s a lot of venom thrown at Spider-Man 3 that’s undeserved Oh, you!
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Jul 28, 2021 00:33
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I always felt like Topher Grace would have been the ideal Peter Parker (and, hell, not as a stunt casting nod to That 70's Show, but Laura Prepon would have been a great Mary Jane!) but as a kid, I was really annoyed that they cast him instead as, of all people, Eddie Brock since Brock is supposed to be this big muscle guy. But then as an adult, looking back, when you see how much Spider-Man 3 sets up Brock as sort of just 'what if Parker was an rear end in a top hat?' and really plays up the comparisons between the two, where he's just this nerdy reporter except he has no scruples unlike Parker, having him be played by Grace makes a lot more sense and honestly is kind of inspired casting. The movie is overall bad I feel, but ultimately it's biggest impression I think is just how uneven it is. It's funny as gently caress at times and its highs are pretty great, but its lows are bad and numerous.
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Jul 28, 2021 00:37
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I never really got into Ultimate Spider-Man, but yeah you may be right. I never followed Ultimate much, as I just said, but was Marvel pushing it particularly hard and/or was it that popular at the time, though? Actually, wait, Marvel wasn't owned by Disney yet I know, but how involved were they with the films, anyway? Like could Marvel really have pressured Raimi/Sony to make it more like Ultimate than 616? EDIT: Actually, as an aside, I just remembered. Raimi's biggest Spider-Man crime is hinting at the Lizard from the first film and never loving delivering.
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Jul 28, 2021 00:45
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AceOfFlames posted:And yet they ended up turning Clamp himself into a nice guy because John Glover was too likable. Other than being in NY and the real estate angle, was he really much of Trump? Like I know they said it and whatnot, but even besides the fact he's supremely likable, the whole TV angle, hands in every pie, the 'end of the world' news broadcast, and the 'Casablanca edit with a happy ending' all make him much more of a direct and overt Ted Turner parody. Like maybe there's a tiny bit of Trump in there, but even putting aside how much of a likable guy Clamp is, everything in the movie paints him and his organization as more Turner than Trump.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:He's a mix of both, they kept the traits pretty even too. He's got Trumps name, shameless self promotion, tacky taste in clothing and architecture. Turner's cable channel, hatred of B&W movies/TV, shameless self promotion and tacky taste in clothing and architecture. I suppose. Still, given what a fun and likable character Clamp is, yeah, the comparisons to Trump, now more than ever, feel a bit off given Clamp's a well meaning idiot rather than a nihilistic narcissist standing as the god-king of open fascists.
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Batman TAS, which I would argue is the platonic ideal of Batman and most of the other Batman series characters, does go out of its way to point out both that Batman is a crazy person, and that he's also a good person despite that and trying to do good both in his insane way as Batman, and in a more grounded way as Bruce Wayne. There's a fair few episodes that show Batman doing good as Bruce Wayne, making sure Waynecorp isn't being lovely, and also one of my faves has him as Bruce Wayne even trying to help a former villain - Scarface - pick up the pieces of his life and get better. Plus the stuff with him never giving up on Harvey Dent and poo poo. I love the DCAU to bits, especially Batman TAS, but yeah, while I love the Arkham games' gameplay and it is always a treat to hear Conroy's Batman, Hamil's Joker, and - for the first game - Sorkin's Harley, the writing was basically just god-awful edgelord fanfic of TAS. Heck, one of the things I found a bit odd/telling of how it was edgy for the sake of edginess and also its views on women was that, you know, Barbara is Oracle in the games, despite the games generally being super devoted to the TAS/DCAU vibe, and Barbara notably *not* getting crippled and becoming Oracle in the DCAU and instead eventually just retiring as Batgirl to become the new Commissioner Gordon instead. I love Batman and I feel like when he's done well - which is sadly rare - a lot of the criticism people associate with the character doesn't apply. But sadly Batman is more often than not sort of written as just the Punisher in a funny costume and with a hangup on actually killing folks. EDIT: A good TL;DR I once used to describe it to a friend is that Batman TAS depicts Batman as both a crazy person and a hero, while most other depictions of Batman are just a crazy person who happens to be punching villains instead of randos. Nolan's Batman never struck me as a fundamentally good or heroic person the way the Batman TAS one does; Nolan's Batman is jut a crazy person who happens to be going after criminals. RoboChrist 9000 has a new favorite as of 04:41 on Nov 6, 2021 |
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Lady Radia posted:the DCAU did age well It has issues here and there, and definitely has issues with male gaze and sexualization, but by and large, yeah. I mean as a mentally ill person, I kind of always found that version of Batman kind of inspirational and oddly positive as a depiction. Here's a guy who's very clearly suffering from untreated mental illness, but he's also still a heroic and good person. Batman's brain is bad, but he's not a bad man. I dunno, just something that resonated with me. That said, the DCAU does have that moment in JLU where by modern sensibilities and understandings, something that's meant as a sort of sex joke/misadventure would be today understood as rape. Well, sort of double rape? I don't know, it's an absurd situation that if you think about it too hard does raise some 'interesting' moral questions, but clearly it was just meant as a joke that aged poorly. The one where the Flash and Luthor switch bodies. The Flash fucks Tala while she thinks he's Luthor, so it's clearly rape since you know, he's having sex with her under false pretenses. But she's also raping him, because he cannot possibly not consent because if he doesn't reciprocate her advances and act like he thinks Luthor would act, then she'd know he's not Luthor and his life would be in mortal peril. She's consenting under false pretenses, and he's consenting under threat of death, and so neither of them are actually consenting and they're both raping eachother in a bizarre scenario out of some dumb Philosophy 101 thought experiment.
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A few pages back now, but I always felt the Drow took WAY more from the Black Martians of ERB's Barsoom stuff than they did from the Svartalfr. The Black Martians were said to be the most physically beautiful of all Martians. Check. The Black Martians were, well, black. Check. The Black Martians lived underground and only really interacted with outsiders to raid for slaves and sport. Check. The Black Martians were ruled by an insane theocracy dedicated to an insane goddess. Check. And while they weren't matriarchal, the Black Martian women were mentioned as doing literally nothing and having everything - in some cases even speaking - done by slaves. Men did nothing but fight. All else was done by slaves. Again, kind of fits.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I believe Cujo is also one he specifically says he has absolutely no memory of writing. Kudos to him for getting clean but I’m always baffled how he’s alive and healthy. Like writing a novel is not a short process even for a machine like him. That’s an industrial amount of coke to write a whole book and not recall.
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WaywardWoodwose posted:Is he a flat earther? A weird group of flat earthers don't believe in gravity. They call it grabity, because they think it's ridiculous that the earth would reach up and grab something. Didn't they call it grabity in the Garfield cartoon? The 100 Acres Happy Acres or whatever the other cartoon segment that wasn't Garfield was called. Like I vaguely recall the Rooster calling it grabbity because it grabs and pulls you down.
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Man, I wish lighthouse keeper was still a job. I'd love that so much right now. Safe from COVID, plenty of time to read and watch movies or video games, get to enjoy nature, work that is regular and meaningful and actually helpful to people. God drat that'd own.
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AceOfFlames posted:Watch The Lighthouse and then get back to me on whether or not you still want to do it. Love that movie and I mean, yeah I'd love to go insane with Willem Dafoe.
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Neito posted:I dunno how to describe it other than "Old Sci-fi fan mad at anime" energy to it. I mean it was an episode from 1999. Anime was just beginning to become part of American nerd and youth culture with Toonami and poo poo.
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Mar 21, 2022 21:56
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I mean Beavis and Butthead was for my money the most edgy and nihilistic show ever made. South Park, Family Guy, whatever, they all can't help but get up on their soap boxes constantly. Beavis and Butthead basically never did. It was just two ugly and stupid idiots wreaking havoc in an ugly and stupid world. Nothing worked, the world and system were irreparably broken, and with basically no exceptions solutions - or even blame - were never presented. Pure Gen X nihilism.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It reminds me of Cromartie High School almost, in that it seems to be also one of the most accurate depictions of adolescence ever made. That is, you gently caress around, kill time, have the world's most pointless conversations, do stupid things for the hell of it, and never learn anything. Matt and Trey are garbage people with garbage politics but I will go to bat for South Park's earlier seasons being, when the boys aren't moralizing to the camera and when Cartman isn't being written as a literal supervillain, one of the most realistic and best written depictions of childhood and whatnot, like, ever. The boys curse a bit more than I remember anyone doing at that age or even a bit older, and I grew up in the Bronx, but other than arguably that, the way they act and behave and think is just kind of like spot on. Even the whole group. Like everyone knew a Cartman and a Kenny (in the sense of the one kid who's kind of more knowledgeable about stuff like sex and other taboo adult things and probably has a hosed up home life). I also feel like South Park could be really funny early on when it wasn't trying to be political or have a message. When it was just the boys being the boys and not Fallacy of the Golden Mean: The Animated Series, it could be really hilarious. Shame such talented writers are such awful people.
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I feel like any attempt to answer whether or not he's a replicant misses the point entirely. The fact that the distinction is so unclear that we even have to - or can - ask the question points out how meaningless the question is. People are people, whether they come from a vagina or a vat or whatever it is that Replicants are made in.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:They'd be slut shamed instantly. "They knew what they were getting in for when they went backstage" and all that toxic bullshit. Yeah. I mean there's enough trouble with public opinion when the guy is accused of clearly non-consensual, sometimes even violent, sexual misconduct. I can't imagine very many people consider whatever monetary and/or emotional benefit they get from coming forward being worth the emotional - and possibly monetary - cost of having to navigate the court of public opinion. Like a clear lack of consent is not enough for most people today to call rape rape, I can't imagine they would somehow be more able to grasp the idea that a child cannot provide meaningful consent and that no matter what a 16 year old girl tells an adult man, she is not consenting.
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sweet geek swag posted:One of the worst things Rowling added was that muggleborns are actually all distantly descended from wizards. So Hermione isn't actually new blood, she's actually the returning scion of a long lost wizarding family. So the pureblood's bigotry isn't wrong because being a bigot is wrong, it's wrong because the people who they are bigoted against actually meet their racist blood quantum. I mean I know I've said it before I think in this thread, definitely in the Potter one, but like even without that retcon, it's a story where everything Voldemort and his followers say - except for the bit about muggle-borns 'stealing' their magic - is correct. Wizards are objectively a superior class of being. There is nothing a muggle can do that a wizard of similar mental and physical ability cannot, while the world's strongest, smartest, fastest, sexiest, wealthiest, hardest-working muggle will never be able to cast even the simplest of spells. If I was writing Harry Potter, I'd have had it come out during the stories that the entire concept of blood magic is, like the IRL race science it is based on, nonsense promulgated by racists to justify their beliefs. Anyone can become a wizard with the proper training (muggle-borns are just prodigies and/or randos taken in to help keep the genepool from getting too incestuous) and the wizard government just keeps the lie going in order to help keep maintain their privilege and keep their old boys' club small. Instead Rowling has, by accident or design, created a world where the fundamental claims of wizard supremacists, themselves indistinguishable from IRL racialist rhetoric, are factually 100% correct.
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The Bee posted:To be fair, this happens in any story where you have a chance of being born a genetic superperson. X-Men historically has the problem of "we're persecuted for being different" and "many mutant powers are insanely dangerous." Yes, and no. I mean I agree on the X-Men issue, see below, but there's some important distinctions. 1. Rowling has made the conflict between the factually correct racists and the inferior untermenschen the central conflict and theme of her entire series. That's not the case in lots of other stories with inborn powers. Especially since until Fantastic Beasts did a bizarre retcon, the wizards were an elite ruling minority, not a persecuted one. 2. There are lots of ways for people to equal or exceed a mutant in power. I mean, Captain America can easily defeat many mutants in a physical fight. There is nothing any mutant can do that other types of superhero in Marvel cannot. Innate racial superiority is not the only path to power in Marvel as it is in Harry Potter. 3. Inborn powers in HP are hereditary. They are not always hereditary in other stories that use them. If a baseline human in the Marvel universe wants to be able to do the things Magneto or Charles Xavier do, they have lots of options. If a muggle wants to cast the simplest of all spells, they have no options. Fashionable Jorts posted:It's always funny when people try and say that Xmen are an allegory for prejudice against race or sexuality. Yeah. If a random homosexual person or African American goes on a tear, they are not any more or less threatening than a heterosexual person or white person of similar means is. If Magneto goes on a tear he's fully capable of wiping out life on at least a continent. There are non-bigoted and morally justifiable reasons to argue for a mutant registry, while there is no non-bigoted justification for doing the same for IRL minority groups.
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sweet geek swag posted:Comics are power fantasies. The x-men are an allegory for prejudice in a scenario where the discriminated are capable of fighting back. Just like how Superman was originally coded as Jewish. It's not designed to be real, it's designed to let minorities read about a world where they have options other than just taking the poo poo other people deal to them. Except a lot of time in the early days, Xavier argued for more or less passivity in the face of oppression rather than pacifistic resistance like his inspiration Dr. King. From what I remember of the cartoon and the early comics I read, classic Xavier was basically 'ignore it, behave well and kindly, and people will come around.' EDIT: Like, the inspiration and model for Xavier is the bowdlerized popular culture white person approved version of Martin Luther King, not the actual historical activist.
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sweet geek swag posted:Xavier turns out to be a huge hypocrite that gets pretty much everyone who works for him killed. The earlier depiction of him is eventually shown to be hopelessly naive. Obviously it wasn't originally intended to be naive, but the whole thing has been very recontextualized. Oh, I know that, I'm just saying how it was originally. The X-Men were absolutely being intended as a metaphor for persecuted minorities even at a time when Xavier was still preaching passive non-resistance. I agree they were always intended as metaphors for minorities of various sorts, but I don't agree they were always the power fantasy of a minority that could stand up to its oppressors. And honestly, I always felt they should have gone with Xavier being Onslaught rather than the cop-out half-measure they did. Show that bottling up your righteous indignation and never showing anger or outrage and being a passive doormat is unhealthy and leads to problems. Just, yeah. While mutants-as-minorities is definitely a problematic metaphor (in both the social justice sense of the word and the more literal 'this metaphor is fundamentally flawed' sense), it still compared vastly more favorably to anything in Harry Potter, and not just because the vast majority of people who have written the X-Men over the decades were much better people than Rowling.
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Yeah. Much like the Sopranos, Breaking Bad is about a bad person who gets much worse, not about a good man who becomes bad.
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skooma512 posted:Remember when it was a big deal a show put an internet meme in it? Or even referenced internet or video games existing at all? How is the Drew Carey Show? It's weird how - at least in my circle of family, friends, and online spaces, I've really not heard anyone mention that show in decades, but I seem to recall it being pretty big back in its heyday.
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9/11 still hasn't happened yet in Megatokyo, right? Like they're still in early 2001 in the comic? Or even still in late 2000, I forget.
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On the one hand, I feel like Doom would be genuinely upset over 9/11 because "see what happens when you fools do not allow Doom to run your societies and curb your violent natures? This would not happen in a world under Doom's loving but firm rule!" Heck, I think his characterization at times would also even allow that he is genuinely in his own way sad about the loss of life. On the other hand, Doom would totally see crying as a sign of weakness, and Doom is not weak. You can easily justify Doom being upset about 9/11 but I don't think you can justify, in-universe, Doom crying in public over anything, ever.
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I think it's more that Islamic terrorists went from being a stock villain for modern day stories, to the stock villain. Partly as a result of various racist and bigoted elements that need no explanation and barely need mention, and partly I suspect due to the fact a lot of the other stock villains were no longer applicable. The Cold War was over so the Russians were out, and while generic - generally black or latino - street thugs were still a classic go-to, they obviously only work for smaller scale stories. The scary Muslim terrorist can plausibly threaten an entire city or nation with some grand nefarious scheme, but really outside of the most ridiculous of movies - or beat-em-up games - you're not generally going to get stories where street gangs are a city or nation level threat. Spike the scary urban punk isn't going to be a plausible villain for a plot involving a nuclear bomb or a plane hijacking, generally speaking. Ahmed the scary Muslim terrorist is.
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Which was the Chuck Norris movie that was like "this is what Republicans actually believe" and had like 80s versions of jihadis, urban minority street gangs, Cuban communists, Soviets, and more all teaming up and launching an attack with D-Day style landing boats and poo poo. Invasion USA?
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I think I brought it up in this very thread, maybe another one, but another reason for copaganda is that in a lot of ways it's arguably the easiest way to do a TV show that is grounded in reality. Cops are, if you believe their job is to investigate crime and apprehend criminals (lol it's not), essentially professional protagonists. A lot of the thorny details in writing are immediately solved simply by making you main characters cops. Why are they involved in the plot? Because it's their job. Why are people willing to help them or talk to them? Because they are authority figures. Why are they stumbling into a mystery every single week? Because that's their literal job. Why do they get to be armed? 'Cause their cops. Etc etc. Like if you're a lazy or mediocre writer, making your lead a cop is a godsend. In the past you had private investigators as an option, but that isn't really the same in stories set in the modern day. If you have an episodic series based around some sort crime and want your protagonist to be somehow getting involved every single week, then making them a cop is kind of the simplest and easiest way to go about that. I'm not for a second denying there is deliberate copaganda, too, Dick Wolf has said as much, and this still doesn't explain stuff like why defense attorneys and IA are villainized and other problemati issues, but yeah. I highly suspect a lot of times the basic impetus for a cop show is simply that it's very easy and solves a lot of basic writing problems and lets you get right down into the stuff you and the audience are more interested in; the characters and the crimes.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Naw they're still super popular, a lot of them just morphed into amateur enthusiasts like Miss Marples, Jessica Fletcher, podcast hosts, etc.. Sherlock Holmes adaptations are still going strong as well. Huh, nice. Had no idea. I was under the impression PIs these days mostly just did 'I think my wife is cheating on me' and insurance related 'we think this guy is faking the severity of his injuries!' stuff. But yeah. I still think that at least half the appeal of copaganda, from the POV of the creators, is less ideological and more just practical. That said, it varies from show to show. Blue Bloods is pretty nakedly cryptofascist propaganda in a way that even Law and Order SVU isn't quite. Well, wasn't back when I saw a bit of SVU with my mother in the early aughts, lmao, when the show was still semi-sane. I have no clue what the gently caress SVU is these days besides 'wild'.
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I agree, although I think part of the issue is also like, the timing of things. Like it's one thing to separate art from artist, or to enjoy problematic media. It's another when that art/media is directly reinforcing an ongoing crisis. Plus like it's the nature of the idealization I suppose that's also so troubling. Compare classic Law and Order or, say, Dragnet, to something like SVU or Blue Bloods and poo poo. The former are idealized and depict an ideal of what many people would probably agree good policing looks like. Our cops are genuinely interested in justice and follow the rules, and are generally called out when they don't. There are bad apples but they do not represent the force as a whole. This is a dangerous lie, but it's still at least a wholesome ideal in its own way. Compare that to the more sinister and overtly cryptofascist poo poo where anything and everything the cops do is justified because they are the cops, extrajudicial use of force is celebrated rather than seen as a step out of line, and so on. Like on some level even Columbo is copaganda, but I mean he's also an ideal of policing most people, even lefties like me, would say is something they could get behind; doesn't carry a weapon, badgers the rich and powerful, only gets involved in genuine crimes rather than serving capital, etc etc. Like part of the issue with modern copaganda is how the ideal of what policing should be. The old copaganda that attempted to portray cops as your friends who are concerned with justice has given way to a new breed that depicts cops as your masters you should be thankful and deferential to.
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ianmacdo posted:the Internal Affairs investigate a "bad" cop every episode and almost every one ends with the cop going free because all the other cops cover for them. Just that over and over. Hey now, sometimes it makes it to trial or something and they get a slap on the wrist if not an acquittal.
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I suppose a better way of articulating what I was trying to say is that copaganda is propaganda, of course, and as such it's trying to sell you on an idea. What is the idea? A lot of older copaganda tries to sell you, essentially, on the idea that the police are your friends, are concerned about justice, are largely if not entirely good faith actors and any bad cops are rare exceptions who are generally quickly dealt with, and that the system may not be perfect, but it works and has good intentions in mind. There's also a lot of racial elements at play with how they depict crime and whatnot, but I don't know if that's necessarily part of the core idea of copaganda - you could and do have shows that avoid that while keeping true to the rest. That's, I think, a different propaganda idea that is simply generally packaged with it. But like, yeah, even Columbo fits this idea. More modern copaganda tends to try and sell you on the idea that the police are your masters and betters. The system is fundamentally broken and they are the one and only thing standing between you and the abyss. Anything and everything they do is justified because they are the police and you are not. They are not your friends the same way your parents are not your friends; they are something more important than friends. They have good intentions in mind, and as such anything and everything they do is fine, because look the system takes too long and we need justice *now*. Like it's part of the gradual escalation into fascism from conservatism. The only thing that can be trusted or used is naked force and violence, anything else is an obstacle that gets in the way of getting poo poo done.
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Season 1 and to an extent 2 of the Simpsons are good, but not quite the Simpsons. Plus 3-8 is just such an insanely good stretch of television that almost anything else is going to compare unfavorably to it.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Jay Sherman as an internet critic would be fine Ehh, I honestly don't think you can do the Critic today for that reason. It's not the same. Siskel and Ebert had clout and respect in a way net critics don't except for those who are already very online. Plus it's a much more saturated market and you wouldn't have a real Duke analogue or Doris and so on. Like you could do something that resembled the Critic today, but the core premise of the Critic and the way Jay's identity and job interact and stuff I think are too tied up with the 90s. Plus while movies, like all art and media, are political and always have and will be, films in the 90s and very early aughts were not politicized or part of the culture war the way they are today, plus like the lack of movie stars in the modern era besides Tom Cruise. Like Hollywood and the culture around it are by and large just too different.
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