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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

The early 90s was definitely a turning point for LGBT awareness. Sitcoms, in that very earnest '90s way, attempted to mine gay/trans issues for "inclusive" humor, rather than disgust or outright contempt. It was a sort of implicit "Well, because we're making jokes about you, you're now part of the gang" thing. Shows started having "the gay one" in their casts. Rosanne, of course, went all in on this, to the point where seemingly every major character was gay/lesbian/bi at some point. Frasier was probably the most measured with its "gay humor" in part because significant cast members and I would assume writers were gay. Friends' jokes have probably aged the worst, but they're still pointed at a given character rather than towards gay people in general.

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

In retrospect, there were only actually like two good episodes of Sherlock.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

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Araenna posted:

It gets really rural really fast. Western NY is worse than the Capital Region though, from what I've heard.

That's pretty much the case outside any urban center. Western WA, for all the "liberal" reputation it has, gets pretty redneck pretty fast outside of the Seattle bubble.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Koalas March posted:

I'm rewatching Friends, and despite being seen as progressive because of Carol/Susan, there's a lot of casual homophobia/sexism between Chandler/Joey/Ross any time they don't do/say something "manly" enough.

I think the idea was, in that very dorkily earnest 90s way, that gay/trans issues could be mined for humor rather than contempt or outright hostility. That was also around the time pop culture decided to get "real" about sexuality an gender issues in general. It hasn't aged well, regardless.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

I believe that's what's known as "negging"

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

bitterandtwisted posted:

On the subject of British classism, did Dad's Army air in America and do people there 'get' the central character dynamic of the middle class Captain Mainwaring and upper class Sgt Wilson and why Mainwaring would have such a chip on his shoulder?

Why would an upper class Brit be in the enlisted ranks to begin with? Don't they pretty much hand out commissions at that level?

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

YeahTubaMike posted:

Am I the only one who thought the John Lithgow character was boring and silly? Granted, I wasn't a regular Dexter-watcher before his arc, but still.

It was definitely an overrated season. Lithgow was entertaining but a lot of the overarching story was garbage. IIRC they sussed each other out about midway into the season so the rest was an increasingly contrived cat and mouse game to spin wheels until the (admittedly shocking) final scene. Show should've ended after that.

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

pentyne posted:

Chandler was some kind of finance/marketing exec?

He was a transponster.

And yeah, Monica and Ross were the worst. Who knew Joey would turn out to be the Best Friend?

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

It's insane that the Venture Brothers have been around since Bush Jr's 1st term.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Re: Episodic vs Serial, I definitely wouldn't mind more serialization, particularly with the comic book shows. Black Lightning is doing that this season with these little mini-arcs while still having an overall story. Something like Jessica Jones really could have used more case-of-the-week episodes instead of dragging out a singular plot across a season.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Everyone is so freaked out by her and it is hilarious.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

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Wheat Loaf posted:

It's a bit odd. She comes off as a generic politician to me.

(I don't really like politicians myself - I definitely think less of people who choose "politician" as their profession.)

Well as others have said, she's not really that "typical", on paper at least. But the hilarious part is that she's also not really even a "politician", yet. She's never held a public office before and hasn't even been sworn in yet but is driving the political elite absolutely bonkers already.

She could turn out to be completely ineffective and/or a charlatan, but just the fact that she is causing a collective means she's probably doing something right.

E: Forgot which sub I'm in.

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

I hate that episode so much. Beginning of the end of The Office for me.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Don Gato posted:

Speaking of Twilight Zone, I'm binging classic Twilight Zone episodes and the ending narration to Death's Head Revisited is amazing and the opposite of aging poorly:


The episode itself is also one of my favorites, it's about an SS captain returning to Dachau camp years after the war to reminisce, only to be judged by those he killed. I still can't believe it was made in 1961, and like any episode of the Twilight Zone it is about as subtle as a hammer to the head.

Turns out you do have to repeatedly say "Nazis Bad". And that was even the case for the generation that fought them.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Alec Baldwin did some Thomas movies during his late-90s career nadir.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

There are plenty of criticisms to lob at Forrest Gump but "forgettable" isn't one of them. The Vietnam stuff in particular was pretty visceral and well-done, IMO.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Also I'm not so sure how satirical or ironic Winston Groom is being with FG. He also wrote a book about Hood's final campaign in Tennessee, romanticizing it as some noble last hurrah rather than a doomed bloodbath spurred by a treasonous madman. Treating the South with soft-headed sympathy is kind of his thing.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

He apparently was a supporter of black media, it's just women he had a problem with.

Only if it was "respectable" black entertainment, though. Meaning no hipitty hops or anything challenging the status quo.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

I loved the poo poo out of Scrubs when it first aired. Being a single cam sitcom with irreverent meta gags was a real game changer. IIRC Malcolm In The Middle started around the same time and it had the same fresh vibe. Then a few seasons in, the cast had gone through every possible permutation of coupling, new boyfriend/girlfriend, marriage, divorce, etc., it got to be too much drama while the characters themselves all became huge assholes.

Same thing happened to Cougar Town (Bill Lawrence's show after Scrubs). Again, started as a really goofy show that didn't take itself seriously. But at some point the revolving door of romances and breakups between the main characters overshadowed any remaining comedic elements and I just didn't care anymore.

Ted the Lawyer was absolutely the best character aside from The Janitor and it sucks about his cancer diagnosis.

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

I actually didn't watch the first season at all, but jumped in on S2 due to positive reviews and commenters at the AV Club. It was a really funny show for a couple seasons, but really fell off when it moved to TBS.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

MITM still holds up even if it got a little too cartoonish and repetitive in later seasons. It definitely doesn't have the same background noise appeal as a Friends, Frasier, Office type show, though.

Also giving TMBG a boost in residual career sustainability is a plus as well.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Michael Moriarty before he went insane.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

52% of white women voted for Trump.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Skratchez posted:

How about that H. Ross Perot guy though, right?

Turns out he's still alive, which is kind of wild. He should run again.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Scary Movie 3 was one of those comedies made better just by seeing it on the big screen with a huge audience. Beerfest and Borat also come to mind. I had a blast watching them because the entire theater was into it but watching at home on TV just doesn't have the same oomph.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Firefly is still a fun show to revisit every once in awhile but it's definitely not without its flaws. The Mal/Inara stuff was the cringiest part of the show for sure.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

hard counter posted:

lexx is pretty good but also so drat weird that i have absolutely no read on what kind of person i could/should recommend it to

People who spent high school playing Star Control 2 in between bouts of scouring random dial-up BBSs for porn while watching MST3K?

Not that I would know any of those people, no sireee.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

I liked Grounded For Life. Nothing super amazing; solid family sitcom type plots but with a wry sense of humor. Like, sarcastic but earnest. Also Megyn Price is one of the hottest TV moms ever.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Yeah one of the male leads on Suddenly Susan died by suicide.

E: Oh gee, look, Andy Dick was tangentially involved:

"On March 20, 1999, Strickland and Andy Dick flew from Los Angeles to Las Vegas and spent three days partying in strip clubs.[3] After checking into Room 20 of the Oasis Motel, Strickland spent time with a prostitute, consumed six bottles of beer, hanged himself with a bed sheet over the ceiling beam, and died during the morning hours of March 22, 1999.[4] His body was discovered by a private investigator hired by his friend and co-star Brooke Shields when Strickland missed his appearance in Los Angeles Municipal Court for cocaine possession.[5][6]"

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer

FilthyImp posted:

It also had the thing where the mom was pretty attractive and the teenage daughter was kind of annoyed at it, right?

To the point where she ends up doing a saucy number from Cabaret and pissess off the PTA?

Yes indeed and it's one of the most awkward/glorious scenes aired on network TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWNVCNbOy9M

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Y'all are thinking of Today with Matt Lauer.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Toshimo posted:

So what? It's appropriate for this thread that trotting out the Sitcom Trophy Wife Trope hasn't aged well.

Is Ross a better character for having "married" Jennifer Aniston?
Is Toias a better character for having "married" Portia de Rossi?

lmao

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

It's certainly true that Harris Wittels isn't aging well.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

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The Orville is a bit uneven but good overall. Like someone else said it's nice to see a mainstream optimistic sci-fi show on TV again.

One thing to keep in mind is that, because of the way TV seasons are compressed now, after two seasons The Orville only has as many episodes as TNG's first season alone. So there's a double edge sword where the writers have to jump into big themes and rapidly moving storylines at the expense of being able to let the characters breathe and develop, which takes a lot longer now.

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

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Toshimo posted:

Please tell me about The Orville's decontamination procedures.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

There’s that Star Trek where Captain Kirk is disgusted by hippies and then the hippies take over the ship and die from their hypocritical attitude toward society.

hm, yes, that one seems really far-fetched

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

I bounced off TPB early into the Netflix revival but Ray is low-key my favorite all time character aside from Lahey.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

Action! was loving great but a bit too inside baseball for mass appeal.

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

Grimey Drawer

lol the venture bros predates the iraq war

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89

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The great Gen X cop-out: "Man, all this poo poo sucks. I sure hope someone figures out how to fix it someday. Well, what are ya gonna do?" *Pixies song starts playing*

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