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SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
It was interesting going through the Every Simpsons Ever marathon that FX did a little while back, because as a kid I didn't notice any real drop in quality. There were episodes I didn't like, sure, but for the most part, I still enjoyed it.

And then, over the course of the marathon, I started to realize that most of the episodes I remember not liking came from later seasons, and there's an almost visible delineation between Oakley/Weinstein's last episodes and the start of the decline. It was almost heartbreaking.

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SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
I didn't mind Principal and the Pauper that much, but it also wasn't particularly funny. It was supposed to have been a season 8 episode, and was O&W's last, but some sort of scheduling thing got it pushed back to season 9. If it hadn't been so early in the season, it may have been more kindly looked upon. Or maybe if it had followed a worse episode than Homer vs New York.

I don't know that I'm a good enough Simpsons fan, though, because apparently a lot of people don't like Homer's Enemy, but it's one of my all-time favorite episodes.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

The Missing Link posted:

I grew up calling it Putt-Putt.

I did this, too. Putt-Putt is a brand name, though, like Thermos or Dumpster. The Putt-Putt Golf 'n Games in the next town over was the closest thing to mini or goofy golf we had before having to go into another state.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
Could also be separate datapads from separate divisions. They might have a few to work on themselves, and then one or two they use specifically to present findings to Picard.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Krispy Kareem posted:

Isn’t Northern France kind of English?

I am a little confused now as to why I assumed a man named Jean-Luc was English.

Probably has to do with his actor, honestly. Doesn't even try to portray himself as French unless it's somehow central to the plot.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Mu Zeta posted:

It's because Bryan Cranston is a better actor and the character is more interesting.

I'm sure that's part of it, but my guess is that it's probably more because Skylar was a woman.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Tiggum posted:

He was. He never gave a single poo poo about his family or he would have just taken the money from his rich friend. It was absolutely 100% all about him from day one and he never changed one bit. That's the thing I don't get about that show - it's supposed to be about how he slowly becomes this terrible person, but he was a loving shithead from episode one and I don't know how that could have been any clearer.

It's the facade he puts on, I think. Even if he's cooking meth, and doing it for selfish reasons, he's still this feeble, cancer-ridden man that everybody feels bad for. Then they stop showing people feeling bad for him, and he drops the feebleness act, and even though nothing has changed, it's just more obvious at that point.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Aesop Poprock posted:

Prisons usually have vhs or dvd players

I'm pretty sure a guard would notice a prisoner watching child porn on the prison AV cart or whatever.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
This is what I know about France as a military power:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt-2iux-uRU

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

U-DO Burger posted:

The transition from Futurama season 4 to the movies and the new seasons was like jumping from season 4 to season 11 on the Simpsons

I still think the movies are okay, but the newer Comedy Central seasons were just awful. I remember turning on the exact one Nemesis of Moles was talking about, only to have Fry say, out loud, "Leela, you have a singing boil named Susan?", and I had to immediately change it away. I don't think the movies at their worst were anywhere near that bad.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Besesoth posted:

Even the writers and producers acknowledge that that episode was a disaster; it's not really fair to judge the whole four-season CC run based on it. (That episode also generated the "shut up and take my money" meme; whether that's positive or negative is up to you.)

The trouble with the later seasons is that they didn't actually have much of a full-time writing staff anymore - the "best-educated writers' room in television" basically became a series of spec scripts - so stuff that would have been cut in the writers' room in the first run made it to storyboards in the latter half.

Oh, I know. The first few seasons had some pretty decent ones in there, so I don't write off its whole time on Comedy Central as bad. It's just that that one in particular is an easy-to-point-to exemplar of the decline of the thing. It had just kind of gotten lazy by that point, and was almost unwatchable most of the time.

Wheat Loaf posted:

The Comedy Central series has some decent episodes (the one with the time machine that only goes forwards is funny).

That's actually one of my personal favorites, so like I said, there are some good ones in there.

e: Haha, that one won an Emmy, so I guess it's not just a personal favorite, but a general consensus good episode.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Wheat Loaf posted:

When Dragon Ball Z got really huge on Cartoon Network in the late 90s, every other channel tried to get a piece of it. I remember Fox Kids had Sailor Moon and Nickelodeon had Cardcaptors, but I remember that they were both advertised as though they were action cartoons for boys like DBZ, when that's not really either of them.

I could've sworn Cardcaptors was either also Fox Kids or was Kids WB. But yeah, they really tried to market that as a show for boys, and I think tried to air it after Digimon or Pokémon to try and capture that same audience. Not sure whether it worked.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

poptart_fairy posted:

Me and my partner binged on Archer and were pretty amazed it skirted over that, especially given the other stuff it poked fun of. Maybe they just didn't want to tie it to a specific date? A lot of stuff is a mish-mash of time periods, with a couple of jokes even poking fun at characters not being able to name the year.

As far as I'm aware, it was a combination of not really wanting to address it so as not to date the show, and real-life ISIS' rise to prominence coinciding with the in-fiction ISIS dissolving, so it wasn't really an issue at that point.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

JediTalentAgent posted:

I think someone was saying a while ago that what they saw in a change in South Park was how the kids stopped behaving and thinking like kids for the most part. You could have episodes where they'd have their crazy stuff going on in the world that made no sense, but a lot of their ways of dealing with it and their reactions to it were things that seemed almost child-like because they just didn't have the intelligence or influence to actually do anything else.

I'm not really sure how certain older episodes would be different if they were made today, or if current episodes had been made 15-20 years ago, though, when it came to the characters' ways of handling it.

The same thing basically happened with The Simpsons as well. Bart and especially Lisa stopped being kids and started being teens, or even functional adults, depending on what the plot required that they be. Episodes from before wouldn't work with them as they are now because they would no longer react in a remotely similar fashion.

BJPaskoff posted:

I was rewatching season one Simpsons episodes and there are a bunch of characters like this. Mostly friends of Homer and Bart that disappeared from Springfield altogether. I'm fairly sure none show up as background characters or have a meta-joke reference in later seasons, either.

See, this is why I really like Homer's Enemy, because it introduces a tertiary character into a series that is slowly forgetting its tertiary characters, and then kills him before the end of the episode.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

zoux posted:

We all have our lines, but I'd mark Lisa goes Vegetarian as a key point. The episode itself is fine but you start to see things creeping in that would become terrible down the road. Specifically the Paul McCartney cameo, it was the first episode I can remember where a celeb was on there for the sake of being a celeb. In earlier seasons, famous people would play characters, think Dustin Hoffman as the teacher or Michael Jackson as Michael Jackson, the giant obese white mental patient. In fact, MJ wasn't even credited in the episode and it was years before they finally confirmed it. (Though bizarrely, MJ only performed the spoken lines and not the singing materal)

George Harrison appeared as himself in Homer's Barbershop Quartet, and there was an episode where an entire team's worth of baseball players appeared as themselves as well in Homer at the Bat. It wasn't anything new by the time Lisa the Vegetarian was around, but that's when the focus shifted for sure.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Nothing was good in the early-mid 90s that did not technically start in the late 80s.

See also: The Simpsons

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

maskenfreiheit posted:

you mean to tell me that MY DICK IN A BOX is MEDIOCRE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andy Samberg in his entirety is mediocre. He's not even the top 5 characters in his own show.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Scaramouche posted:

I remember liking Eddie Murphy.

:same:

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Choco1980 posted:

Much like the simpsons, family dog started elsewhere. The "pilot" if you will was the only animated episode of Amazing Stories

The Family Dog pilot is pretty good, I think. It's one of my family's favorites. I didn't even know there was a full show until a few years ago, and I kinda wish I didn't.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Instant Sunrise posted:

Also he's working with Lorne Michaels on a David S. Pumpkins movie.

wait i wasn't supposed to tell you about that.

I would not be surprised to find out this was true. I still don't really understand the popularity of David S Pumpkins at all, but if Hanks would be happy continuing to perform as him, good for him I guess.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
I honestly never made the connection between gypsies and "gypped" until I was expressly told because I had never seen it written down until I saw people posting about it online. I always thought it was spelled "jipped" and was never curious enough to look up its origins since it wasn't a phrase I heard used very often. The only one I can think of is actually that Weird Al song.

Not race related, but Weird Al also had a song called "Christmas at Ground Zero", which was about Christmas being celebrated in a nuclear wasteland. It was released during the cold war. People a little while back that heard it for the first time, though, were offended that Al would write a song that was insensitive to the 9/11 attacks, since the area was called Ground Zero basically until the new tower was built.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

SEX BURRITO posted:

Anything with Dreamworks face is ugly and dated as gently caress.



Was there some sort of market research done to show that this was somehow more appealing to the intended audiences of the movies? It always sort of reminded me of how American Kirby games always had an angry Kirby on them because NOA thought consumers wouldn't respond to a cute Kirby.

FouRPlaY posted:

Oh, I think that was a patient of Heather Graham/Molly Clock's who would sing, "capturing the mood of the room." And I remember it as Meatloaf's I Would do Anything for Love, which some Googling tells me was in season 4 episode 1.

I'll leave actually watching the episode to confirm up to someone else.

I thought Krispy was crazy or something, but holy poo poo it actually exists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I385snOTbTA

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Pastry of the Year posted:

When I was a very young child, I really and truly believed that everything I saw on TV was being performed live, even movies I watched dozens of times (I imagined the actors being like "okay, it's four o'clock, time to perform Star Wars again" or whatever). I have no recollection of how I thought cartoons "worked," but I know I thought the laugh tracks in those old cartoons were because the cartoon was being shown to a room full of people who were watching it at the same time that I was.

I was born in the late 80s, so I was familiar with video recording and whatnot from a young age, but I still assumed literally every show was performed live in front of an audience, in one take, and filmed earlier that week. Heck, it was a revelation to me that movie scenes could be filmed out of order. So my assumption was that cartoons were animated earlier in that same week, like on a Friday night for a Sunday Simpsons broadcast or something.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
I'm honestly hoping that Disney will just do the honorable thing and let it die, but I really doubt that since it's probably still a cash cow.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Inescapable Duck posted:

That would explain a lot, though there was a theme that first season of sometimes evolved Pokemon feel they've outgrown their trainers and become impossible to control. (the whole thing with Ash's Charizard)

This was actually a mechanic in the games as well. If a Pokémon got too high level for your current highest badge, even if it was your own, it would basically just stop listening to you. Charmeleon/Charizard was actually a pretty good representation of that.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Mu Zeta posted:

And yet 20 years later Pikachu still hasn't evolved.

Pikachu doesn't evolve by leveling.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Der Kyhe posted:

Network in the US decided to cancel the original "Police Squad!" for being too intellectually demanding.

Do we really need to present any other evidence?

This sounded like somewhat of a joke to me, but the actual line is even more of a joke. Goddamn.

quote:

According to the DVD Commentary of "A Substantial Gift" (episode 1), then-ABC entertainment president Tony Thomopoulos said Police Squad! was cancelled because "the viewer had to watch it in order to appreciate it."

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

purple death ray posted:

Nothing involving Rob Schneider has aged well, and that includes Rob Schneider

His daughter's has some pretty decent music, I think. That's something.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Krispy Wafer posted:

The sequel “This is 40” was pretty awesome though.

The only thing I know about this movie is that the main characters meet I think 3 Philadelphia Flyers, and one of them takes out his false teeth that he got after getting smashed in the face with a puck. Sounds like a pretty good movie to me.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
I think people like bank robbers so long as they're painted as the protagonists, and probably up until the point that they start killing people, with the exception of maybe The Dark Knight's Joker. Like, Baby Driver's protagonists are basically all nice, likable people until they all start turning on each other and Kevin Spacey gets mad. Heck, at least 2 GTA games now have the main characters pulling off bank heists with at least semi-likable criminal side-characters, and the bank heist isn't even the climax of either game. You're expected to play for a long while after that, and ostensibly still like the characters.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

FreudianSlippers posted:

Robbing banks is cool and good.

I used to work at a bank, so I'd kinda disagree, but bank heist movies and games and whatnot are still pretty entertaining to me.

Krispy Wafer posted:

But there's that undercurrent of violence. Baby only let's bits and pieces of it in until he's put squarely in front of it with the lady Post Office clerk.

Baby Driver does a pretty good job of giving you one side of the story and then you start to realize all of these people are terrible, including Baby.

Baby's still sympathetic, though, despite ending up being terrible. It's all about how they're presented. Baby doesn't do any of the physical robbing, and since we see his everyday life, we know he's a regular guy with a fairly regular life. We see him try to save the not-terrible things in his life from his terrible decisions. He's not necessarily a good person, but we sympathize with him because he is the protagonist, and the least terrible of the group.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
There has not been a single Klasky Csupo cartoon that looked anything less than sloppy, and even their Simpsons episodes look really bad compared to what the later animation company did. But I've always found their weird character designs really endearing, and it made for some interesting stuff in AAAHH! Real Monsters. I think As Told By Ginger was the nadir of their character designs, though.

How does a show like As Told By Ginger hold up? It had a lot of themes of class struggle and race relations and whatnot, but all from the perspective of a white girl with a single mother that could still afford a 3-bedroom, 2-story home in the suburbs.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

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SEX BURRITO posted:

Yep. The same guy went on to write 2 Broke Girls which is full of weird dated stereotypes. It aged badly as soon as it hit the air.


I hated the addition of Dil and that adopted sister of Chucky. Just boring characters.

Am I imagining things or did they do a show where the kids were older and in school?

Once they started introducing new characters, you knew they were reaching. Dill, and Chaz's wife and stepdaughter were really dumb additions, and I basically stopped watching around the release of the movie.

And yeah, it was called All Grown Up.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Spikey posted:

Even his immediate family bought it.

I don't even watch wrestling and I can't believe it took so long to get this response.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

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The Bloop posted:

6/10 great reference but poor execution

No, sir. I don't like it.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

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Solice Kirsk posted:

R rated Galaxy Quest could have been even better.

Arguably, but much like the Ren & Stimpy conversation earlier, making the movie fit within a "family movie" box made them reconsider some jokes that might've otherwise been gratuitous. I think the swearing was the only thing that made it an R rating, and apparently Tony Shaloub doesn't remember the movie being darker or harder, so the canonical stoner thing might just be a myth.

Galaxy Quest is basically a perfect movie as-is, and trying to make it a hard R could only diminish it, as far as I'm concerned.

e: Like, I think you can say "poo poo" a few times and keep a PG13, but saying "gently caress" once with any other swearing I think gets you an R. I'm not sure if I'm kidding or not.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

BiggerBoat posted:

Big Bang is just awful. Someone post a Youtube clip of a good BBT joke.

The delivery of this joke is really clunky, but the actual joke itself isn't bad and is actually a pretty good jab at nerd culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZF79Eyp_2A

I've watched a few episodes of this against my will, and this is literally the only actual joke I saw on the show.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
It was cool but was sort of overly simplistic. Peach deserved a better game, honestly. No reason you can't have a game with a gimmick like that while also having some decent and challenging platforming.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Avenging_Mikon posted:

Also Mario Kart and Tennis.

Sorry but both of these games have Daisy and Waluigi, so no way is Peach the best character in them.

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SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
I think that's what makes shows like Seinfeld or Arrested Development work so well. The main characters are arguably supposed to be sympathetic, and they think they are, but we see that they're just as bad as everyone else and the humor comes from them not winning in the way they think they are.

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