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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

GrandpaPants posted:

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised by the reaction to it, since I think it's a great idea for a tragic scene, but the actor couldn't sell the pathos. I'm trying to think of a good breakdown scene which I know must exist but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZx1W6cHw-g

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

funmanguy posted:

snl is the biggest example of Not Aging Well

Yeah but it's not supposed to, it's literally a joke-a-week grindmill where they just push out as much as they can each week to entertain the public, then trash it and then start over again the next day. Asking it to 'age well' on top of that is asking it to be the opposite of what it is, and frankly asking too much - the only way it can survive is by constantly flowing.

You should try to make nearly an hour of content each week and see how well you can make it 'age well' before you burn out.

I'm not saying it's great, but it's actually fairly solid for what it is.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Krispy Wafer posted:

The only way you redeem Apu is by getting an Indian man to voice him. The character itself isn't that bad considering for the bulk of his run he's been probably the most three dimensional Indian character on television.

If you can't see what the problem is with Apu, a cartoon man in a world of stereotype people, being the most three dimensional Indian character on television, I'm not sure what to say. That's what The Problem With Apu talks about, it's that Apu was one of the only representations of Indian folks on TV for a while, and he was written and voiced by white dudes who mostly made 'lol Indian people are different/cheap/tacky' jokes. It unintentionally defined how Indian folks are to a lot of Americans, and it led to a whole generation of white Americans thinking it was funny calling their Indian friends/neighbors 'Apu' and then calling them overly sensitive if they didn't like it. When it was popular, it unfortunately set a certain tone and defined interactions for white and Indian Americans culturally, which Indian folks have spent years getting over and trying to redefine.

And then you get pages of people arguing that he's not so bad because he owned the drat Kwik-E-Mart, so he's an entrepeneur! I mean drat guys, way to Miss The Point and be obtuse. It's about how even media that 'doesn't seem so bad' can have a cultural effect, even when you're just being casually ignorant instead of maliciously so.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:

Watching 30 Rock it's weird to see a Harvey Weinstein casting couch joke.

much like the bill cosby jokes, 30 rock made light of open industry secrets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnXQUc4-aBI&t=88s

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Sweevo posted:

Firefly was cancelled because it sucked. It has the stink of Joss "Can't write anything but Buffy over and over" Whedon all over it. The characters are cliched, and its full of weird rapey stuff that thankfully we never got to see played out.

also the chinese stuff is awkward and doesn't work out

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Gaunab posted:

Firefly was obviously Joss Whedon watching Outlaw Star and Cowboy Bebop and copying them.

SpacePig posted:

This is basically why I liked what I liked of it. I love Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star, all my friends love Firefly, and Wikipedia lists all 3 under "space western", so I gave it a shot.

Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star don't even belong in the same sentence, quality-wise. Outlaw Star is kinda fun but when you get down to it, is a trash harem anime in space. featuring such memorable characters as Big-Titted Yelling Catgirl, Big-titted Space Samurai Lady, and Big-titted Quiet Lady Who Floats Around A Mysterious Fluid While Naked. See us in our next episode, Boob Physics 2: Even Boobier!! Featuring: Gene's Big Gun!!!!

Cowboy Bebop has Faye Valentine, sure, but overall is much more of a real show and is wayyyy better than OS. Plus it has Yoko Kanno's music.

People group them together because Adult Swim ran them both in a time slot together and was good at making promos making them seem comparable.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

fruit on the bottom posted:

Faye Valentine is just a rip-off of Fujiko Mine

Cowboy Bebop is just really well-done Space Lupin, yeah sure of course. Spike even LOOKS like Lupin for this exact reason. I mean this formula is not anything new, CB just took all these things and did them fairly well, which is why it still holds 20 years later.

CB is better than most Lupin stuff, Monkey Punch's work looks cool AF but the 'jokes' are dumb old-man jokes about peeping boobs and butts all-the-time. We could bring up Castle of Cagliostro as comparable, but that always starts the argument on if that's "really" Lupin or not since Miyazaki actually gave him multiple dimensions and made him somewhat likeable and people think of it as Disney-fied Lupin just because he doesn't grab at Claire's tits constantly.

kupachek posted:

I always assumed the lack of distinctly chinese characters was because the show is set out on the rim, populated by lower society colonists scratching out a living and an existence in general, and that the central planets would have the dense population and ethnic enclaves.

c'mon, you know the answer was 'there aren't any qualified Asian actors!' (meaning 'we rely on a casting agency that doesn't have a good stable of anyone non-white, and no one is willing to put in the effort to try to find someone when these are just featured extras and BG characters anyway' - the majority of racism in film and tv is white laziness taken to a new extreme).

The entertainment industry is, if anything else, all about traveling the path of least resistance

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

mycophobia posted:

gently caress you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbxicfdTvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AjkAVexgXw

art, ART OF THE HIGHEST CALIBUR

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
/\/\/\ I getcha, though that's an awful lot of thinking to avoid....thinking

JediTalentAgent posted:

I've been watching a bit of Galaxy Express 999 and I'm sure a similar 'space western' could be attributed to that, as well..


Oh totally, although there's a whole series of crazy 70s/80s anime sci-fi space operas that border on space westerns, for a while it was a Thing because of the popularity of Star Wars

JediTalentAgent posted:

Star Wars:ANH Tatooine stuff is likely very easily an example of space western as much as anything else, too.


It absolutely is (and Lucas will admit it), all the imagery is designed to evoke it and it's got a cantina scene where people freeze to look at who enters, and a moment where the experienced 'gunman' takes down another guy at the bar to prove his worth. And the Han Solo EU stuff was always Han as Space Cowboy.

And then you have all the Treks of varius types as well, though I'd argue they pretty quickly stop being 'space western' and eventually are just 'space diplomacy'

JediTalentAgent posted:

Keeping in mind, I remember when Van Helsing came out and people were calling it a Vampire Hunter D rip-off because of a HAT.

Yeahhhhhh I remember that

But anyway, my point wasn't what came first, it was just to say that Outlaw Star is bouncing boobs trash and Cowboy Bebop does it better.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

artsy fartsy posted:

I recently rewatched Batman Forever and actually appreciated it a lot more than I did back when it came out--it had that whole campy 60s Batman vibe with the crazy camera angles and everything. Fun, but probably shouldn't have followed those other two movies.

Batman & Robin is an incredibly fun film, bat-nipples and all. the suits have sculpted butts! there's cartoony angles! they fight strange neon people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRH-Ywpz1_I

"cool party" is so loving dumb it gets me every time

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
There's those people who went nuts and had a mental break because they couldn't be on the magical alien elf planet. They're probably really excited for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
I have only seen clips of TTG, but it is the superior TT to me because of its ability to make full-on adults melt down online about how they need more animated tween drama and none of this...this...this SILLINESS!!!

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Ghost Leviathan posted:

As mentioned, CN hasn't been kind to shows they don't own, and pretty much phased out anime almost completely.

Uh they literally just co-produced the second season of FLCL. It's a US/Japan co-production with English as the primary language, that wouldn't have existed without adult swim/CN. So yeah, they have their hand in the anime market still.

All ya'll sitting here saying there's no longer anime on CN could not be more wrong, you're just no 14 and watching Toonami anymore.

Current anime running on CN:
Dragon Ball Z Super (obviously, they'll run DBZ iterations until the heat death of the universe)
Black Clover
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (replaced Attack of Titan once that was over)
Hunter x Hunter (replaced Parasyte once that was over)
My Hero Academia
Pop Team Epic
Lupin III
Cowboy Bebop
loving Naruto

I know this poo poo because it's literally my job but still, that was one google -> wiki away.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Leavemywife posted:

I'm really surprised there isn't just an Adult Swim channel by now.

Honestly I'm not sure why they aren't, from an infrastructure POV they're treated as different networks - the people and production spaces are kept entirely separate and have whole different demographics and ethos. I think the only reason it isn't is just that it would need a LOT more content to become a 24-7 network over a programming block, which would mean acquiring more when you're not even sure people would watch it 24-7. You'd have to do some research and see if it would be sustainable; but they drat sure know right here right now that kids go to bed at a certain time and it's not worth programming for them, and that they have an audience of disillusioned 20- and 30- somethings who come home from work every night and just wanna get stoned and watch cartoons for a few hours.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23GrEhLUF_k

I will run from other rooms to watch/sing this.

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BZlFRVz-ig

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Iron Crowned posted:

It was the 90's, and I was 16, so I was busy trying (and failing) to get laid, and I was pretty sure that waking up on Saturday mornings to watch Men in Black was not going to help

same, and I had older siblings I had to share the tv with who did NOT want to watch cartoons and would mock me ruthlessly so I'd have to hide it in shame like a real dork

Rollersnake posted:

Today the intro just looks... quaint. It's not particularly good and really doesn't even make sense in a world where 3D animation is no longer a novelty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGFUijdwWdk

man whatever, I still get excited watching that. I always knew it was just clips from the episodes on a crappy 3D frame and it made no sense, but I like the pacing and the clips they chose. Combined with the music, what I see is incoming ADVENTURE! Breaking through windows, emerging from water tossing hair, helicopters!

StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 16:22 on Aug 25, 2018

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
/\/\/\/\/\ gently caress you man i don't wanna see torture porn from a kiddie diddler who has a weird obsession with his abusive dad. it's like, mel gibson but with animation.

Talking about 30 Rock in another thread and I realized - as much as I love it, there are many things that make it not have aged well, because it was from a more innocent time when everyone assumed we'd keep moving in a progressive direction. And even though it makes light of liz's racism, and pete's (his booze being stolen by some "black *pauses, sees POC around him* HEARTED individual"), it feels much less innocent when you consider they are the most powerful people in the show and are openly racist at times.

Also a LOT of the Regina Bookman/Jack Donaghy stuff is rough now - her challenging NBC for more diversity is portrayed as Al-Sharpton-style political grandstanding in order to be re-elected, Jack is portrayed as the misunderstood white man who supports diversity and even has a passionate speech about immigrants making America great, completely missing the point that they're still not hiring/programming in a way which reflects this belief. I am currently rewatching it and there are things here making me wince, yikes yikes yikes. Definitely some #alllivesmatter #notallmen BS going on here. Tina Fey is a liberal person, but she's still an upper-middle-class white person from Pennsylvania and it shoooows.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
/\/\/\ I can guarantee all of you that John K did not think this hard about the gun, he just wanted a clear-to-identify-at-a-glance cartoon shotgun.

John K is a man who should have remained an animator, and should have then just been directed by someone with better directing chops. John K obsessed too much on if it this shot or that was pushed enough/animated extremely enough to bring about his retro vision. But he also had too much ego to really let anyone take the reigns and direct, or tell him what to do in any capacity, and got his rear end canned for it.

Please enjoy this clip of him from the Adult Party commentary, calling female tv executives dykes, and scaring the poo poo outta Katie Rice each time he speak loudly/moves suddenly (at the time he was trying to gently caress her but she managed to get outta that sitch safely, no thanks to anyone else):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ria8fqPqZe8

Henchman of Santa posted:

Honestly I don't have any memory of problematic jokes on that show but Tina Fey is white feminism personified so I wouldn't be surprised. I do want to rewatch sometime.

Yeah she is. I read her book and it actually really changed 30 Rock for me, because I realized a bunch of things I thought were jokey-jokes making light of things were sincere.

B-Rock452 posted:

I ended up skipping an episode that had a joke where Pete was having sex with his passed out wife (or she could have just been asleep) but that was the only one that stood out on a recent rewatch of the series.

I remember that joke and oof yes, it's a rough one because they cut to a visual. His wife's asleep and he didn't wake her, just fucks her prone form - it's a continuation of the running joke that Pete's sex life with his wife is not really a sex life, just two people bumping genitals while thinking of other people (e.g how he reads nursing magazines and she wears headphones when they gently caress).

That joke actually got flack at the time it aired in 2011/2012 or so, and got soundly ignored as 'overly sensitive SJW's and feminists angry about our media!'. At the time 30 Rock was getting flack for being maybe not as progressive as it claimed to be.

That said, the Steve Austin episode was so prescient it's scary.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
Sinead O'Connor was villified because she hijacked a live feed without warning in order to drive home a message, at a time where America's stance on dealing with poo poo was 'let's stop talking about that and turn on the tv'. She wasn't wrong and I never disagreed with her, but most people just didn't want to hear it because SNL was for the funny laff laffs with Adam Sandler. Even with her point being a noble one, she didn't stand a chance.

It turns out 'I just want to enjoy X without politics, or thoughts, or feelings, please just numb my soul until I can't feel existential pain anymore' is overall a trash opinion for lovely people.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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Dixville posted:

Yeah, I see what you mean. I just don't like the idea of calling people lovely for wanting to tune out the problems in the world, even if just for an hour or whatever, to just laugh or maybe even to find the humor in those same problems. I'm not saying it was good to throw Sinead under the bus for what she did, but I understand the reason for it. At least for some people. Undoubtedly some were giving her backlash because they were part of the cover up. But a lot just didn't want to be confronted with such a serious issue, in such a heavy handed way, in a comedy program.

And I get this too, as well as a fact it's a coping mechanism. TV is my go-to coping thing so I understand that more than anyone.

That last part is my problem though. I get that you don't WANT to be confronted with serious things at inconvenient times, such as when craving light-hearted comedy, but sometimes you are confronted with these things regardless and you don't get to choose the timing, you only get to choose how you react. And it's part of being adult learning how to deal with it instead of saying BOO YOU MADE MY FUN LESS FUN. We've created these arbitrary spaces where we declare it must be X, Y, or Z, and we get super upset when someone breaks that covenant rather than rolling with the punches. It's kind of entitled when you think about it.

Plus, SNL is well-known for its political commentary, so it's not quite fair for people to have been all 'it's a comedy shoooow'.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

MariusLecter posted:

So Conner's problem was messaging. For years I thought that picture thing was just a general "Religion Bad".

You say this, but I've always known it was about childhood sex abuse in the Church - in fact I recall the very way I heard about it was framed as 'Sinead O'Connor went on SNL and tore up a picture of the pope to protest child abuse'. I can't tell you where I heard this, from multiple sources I believe - but clearly she got her message out.

I think the misconception that it was RELIGION BAD comes from the same sort who think Colin Kaepernick kneeling is a disrespect to our troops - that is to say, people who misunderstand because they don't wish to dig further, and then fluff entertainment is happy to reinforce whatever narrative is popular to gain viewers.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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fruit BOO!ts posted:

Even on dramatic shows, Breaking Bad’s first seasons was the weakest by far imo

I couldn't watch Breaking Bad after Walt forcefully rapes his his pregnant wife up against a refrigerator early in the second season.

That was early on, when he was still supposed to be 'sympathetic'.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
I thought his 'turn' was when he refused the help from his bro-in-law?

He wasn't supposed to be sympathetic by the end, but the idea was to show the progression over time of a man turning vile, and the rape is early enough you're supposed to still feel for him as a human being, and he's still being portrayed as having some humanity left. I think it's supposed to show how far he's come but 1) rape is a lazy plot device for this, 2) it's so out of left field, and 3) it's never acknowledged again AFAIK. It's treated like he was just grumpy at her and she chides him not to take his anger out on her, wtf. It's the same episode he gets the Heisenberg hat IIRC, so I know it's a big transition ep.

Breaking Bad fans are like Rick & Morty fans: a handful of people who actually kind of get it, and the rest of them are folks championing the wreck of a main character. It's like Scarface - in the story itself you're supposed to pity him, but to pop culture at large he is generally considered a symbol of independence & power.

The writers should not have been surprised that people worship Walt. For people writing a show about the quiet perversion of human nature over time, they seem strangely naive.

And now matter which way you cut it, it's definitely an episode that doesn't age well at all and which casts a dark shadow on efforts to continue beyond that point. It's like, he's raping her in season 2, how much further do we need to go here?

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
Nah man, I just think it was a rape scene written by a buncha dudes with no feedback, and it feels like it. The writers have said BB was an effort to make you watch a good person transition to a bad person, which means they need to start from a point they think is accessible and move from there.

and yes it's done early enough you're still supposed to feel for him. was it season one? i remember it as season one too, but google was telling me season two. Either way, HE'S beginning to be subsumed by Heisenberg, but the viewer has not been yet. We haven't even met Heisenberg at that point. He's just a glimmer in Walt's eye at that point.

It's just lazy writing and treating rape as a plot device for shock value

It's really upsetting and then she's just like oh walt don't you be taking your anger out on me

and then like 5-6 more seasons of that poo poo

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Tiggum posted:

He was absolutely lovely right from the beginning. He doesn't get worse, he just gets more overt about it. The idea that he goes from a sympathetic or reasonable person to a monster is bizarre, because in episode one he's already the worst.

one of the showrunners didn't lose sympathy for walt until later on and describes the show as "a natural progression down this road to hell, which was originally paved with good intentions."

http://www.vulture.com/2013/05/vince-gilligan-on-breaking-bad.html

they crafted him with the specific intent to seem sympathetic at the beginning, but they're still dudebros and it was still 2008 and it shows

he acknowledges that they know walt's a selfish liar at the end of all of it but yeah, they were really just a bunch of guys trying to come up with the most hamfisted ways to push this 'bad guy' transition

EDIT:

Brother Entropy posted:

walter white isn't a good person becoming a bad person even if that's what the writers think they wrote, he's a bad person who increasingly stops pretending he was a good person

THIS I very much agree with. But I think if even the writers themselves didn't realize they were actually writing a lovely dude right from the beginning, then you're going to have just as many viewers not realize it.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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big cummers ONLY posted:

Gotcha. I don't think you deserve to be dogpiled for this but I would watch the show again if you really want to form a solid opinion. There's a lot to unpack

But at the same time, for some people it does take that re-watch. Why? Well, because for example Hank is portrayed as oafish and overbearing so if you don't know what's coming and you're going in blind, you'll understand why Walt passed on the money first time through. Most people would not want to owe money to or be dependent on a dude like Hank.

Walt is portrayed as a quiet guy who doesn't rock the boat so much at the beginning, and even if he's selfish he's still managed to have a family, take care of his disabled son, and manage a career and not just explode the whole drat thing. But it does seem like this pressure to conform has been eating at him before this. Outside forces are portrayed as pushing in and at him, and he's getting both literally and physically sick of feeling pushed around, and like other people have final say over his fate. So his refusal of Hank's money, while dumb, is understandable. The path he takes after, notsomuch.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
wait, what book?

i haven't watched venture bros in a good long time, but honestly can't really talk to most folks about it bc a lot of people default to 'isn't that the show with the sexy woman who was a man? oh lol her deep voice is SO FUNNY!!! she sounds just like a MAN' so even with any walking back what they did, the damage is done and people know Dr. Girlfriend mostly for her less-than-dulcet tones.

IIRC there's also some weird joke about her having literal monkey parts put into her to become a woman? Like gorilla ovaries or something.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Pick posted:

The book is INCREDIBLE.

Also, Sheila's voice is eventually revealed to be because she's a heavy smoker. No jokes about it in a long time. Yeah the world changes.

yyyeah, i've heard/seen that, and i know that's what they've gone with in the show, but given how heavy-handed the joke is in the earlier two seasons, my honest opinion is they retconned it after realizing how incredibly lovely it was

turns out 'lol she's a MAN, bay-beee' isn't as funny in retrospect, and unfortunately you can't really 'undo' the earlier joke. it just sort of exists as an example of a worse time, just a scant 15-20 years ago.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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luxury handset posted:

there's plenty of traditionally animated tv shows - adventure time, gravity falls, stephen universe, rick and morty are all hand drawn iirc. i'm not sure how much more expensive it is but it can work as a stylistic decision. although these shows are often blended with cgi for certain effects, like vehicles and other complex objects

e: disenchantment, too. last year wiki says there were like 15 trad animated shows released in the us, though i've never heard of most of them

sweet geek swag posted:

Even the Simpsons is still hand drawn. They just switched over to digital coloring.

I mean, 'hand-drawn' animation is now all done digitally. Futurama and Disenchantment were done in Toon Boom IIRC. Simpsons definitely uses Toon Boom and is drawn and colored digitally. That doesn't mean it still isn't an artist making the drawings, it's just on a computer, not a piece of paper.

Occasionally there's a specific scene that is animated on paper (for example"It's Over, Isn't It", for Steven Universe), but the majority of animation is done on computers now and has been for a good long while, at least the last 15 years.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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Pick posted:

Michael Jackson only became a news story because he was black, a bunch of the rock and roll assholes who are still alive were raping teens.

his video game features him saving young children from "bad guys" as they scream his name in glee

this was a product made and sold to children

dude positioned himself and sold himself as savior of children to get access to children

this isn't just douchebags raping teens, it's next-level loving creepy, put that hot take on ice

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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AceOfFlames posted:

My family is a big believer in the notion of a gay cabal in charge of governments and point to "every show on TV these days has at least one gay person in it" as evidence. When I try to dispute it, it devolves into screaming matches with them claiming I am naive and don't know how the world works.

I recently worked on a Big Television Production with a creative director who sincerely believes that current television shows are 'teaching our children they need to be gay to be successful'

I got into a fight with him about that

I am working somewhere else now

If you think the backlash against media is bad online, try working in it.

Get ready for straight trash on Netflix in 2020

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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Cleretic posted:

the famous Shatner Voice everyone makes fun of were either barely there or nonexistant in TOS.

he spent most of his time with a dude whom he very often proclaimed his undying and neverending friendship for

the very term 'slash' formed out of the insane amount of gay fanfic that TOS generated in the 70s - Kirk/Spock meant a Kirk-Spock relationship, so slash = gay (or so the urban legends go)

As far as I'm concerned, to the queer community they're an early queer couple and I've always interpreted the heavy lean on pushing how Kirk is a womanizer by fans as an effort to be all NUH-UH HE SO STR8 LOOK

{insert argument from someone here about how men can't just have platonic relationships without someone thinking they're gay, WE HAD NO ONE BACK THEN OK}

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
Oh also TV shows are gonna make a big deal about characters being gay until society stops assuming the automatic default is straight for everybody

Gonna shoehorn it innnnnnn until you're so uncomfortable you can't staaaand it, and then we'll keep goinggggggg

The only way you can win/stop it is not to care, well and truly.

But if you're still trying to be all, 'well, I just didn't like how they made a big deal about it', you're the person we're trying to trample over and it's working. Get trampled.

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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StrangersInTheNight posted:

{insert argument from someone here about how men can't just have platonic relationships without someone thinking they're gay, WE HAD NO ONE BACK THEN OK}

Pick posted:

Kirk/Spock is two men caring for each other. In 2019 that basically means gay because sexual desire is the only emotion men can have now

It took less than 10 posts

yes there need to be more platonic male friendships in media where they treat each other well

don't police that poo poo to people being desperate for gay representation in the 70s tho

or go back to the 70s where you so desperately seem to want to live

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
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exquisite tea posted:

My point was that the notion of Kirk and Spock being gay was around way before the internet, way before any form of digital media even, and predominantly written for the pleasure of women. Never ascribe societal pressures to what can more easily be explained by smut.

oh yeah deffo agreed, there was a ton of women bc slash is also a playground for playing with sexual roles

and it all gets even more complex when you fold in the ol' 'male nerds don't consider the contributions of female nerds as real fandom and try to negate/undo it' chestnut

basically everyone knows the kirk/spock thing because it is a classic example of women being a large part of a fandom and helping drive the success of the property, but also overwhelmingly ignored as viewers or fans because 'it's not for you'


Pick posted:

D.... did I just get accused of not liking Star Trek slash ..........

when you play the contrarian 24-7, eventually you're gonna represent All The Positions

Your own personal episode of Black Mirror is only just beginning


Bogus Adventure posted:

Also, here's something to settle this thread down:



I accept this offering and am pleased

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

The Moon Monster posted:

Well the animation IS pretty great, although it makes Virginia look more like Pandora or possibly Valinor.



No, it is not.

Pocahontas looks like hot trash. They obsessed so much on rotoscoping, the character's faces slide around, particularly John Smith.

It also has a lot of early CG which is not blended well, especially Mother Willow

Watch it again, and with the exception of the few hero shots of Pocahontas' hair flopping around, you will see it is quite possibly the worst-looking film, technically, that Disney has ever put out.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

purple death ray posted:

The only reason to even worry about this is if you gently caress up and watch any of the later movies, which is really on you and you alone

I have not seen a Jurassic Park beyond The Lost World, and I recommend this sort of lifestyle to all friends and family

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

purple death ray posted:

I will be the guy who says Sleepy Hollow isn't that bad either, sure Johnny Depp sucks rear end but the atmosphere and aesthetic is extremely my poo poo and it was one of the first movies me and my wife went to.

Sleepy Hollow has Christopher Walken as a spiky-toothed undead Hessian emerging from the ground dramatically on horseback, and not one but two witches who are the actual driving force of the film, it is an enjoyable film despite the Depp

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Tiggum posted:

The thing is though, there's no way to verify anything that Q says about himself. It might not even be the same person showing up each time. Or the other Qs might also be him. The conflict we see between Q and the other Qs could be staged. When he was punished by being turned human, maybe that was just him loving around or testing Picard in some way or whatever. The scope of his abilities make it impossible to know if anything is as it seems or is even real. There is no way to draw any meaningful conclusion about Q or the Q continuum other than that some being exists and is more powerful than you can imagine. Its nature and motives are impossible to determine.

Yeah, the Q are supposed to represent a species so powerful as to be somewhat inscrutable, and to show that if living beings had godlike abilities, they wouldn't just magically become benevolent gods for the good of all - more likely, the power would be abused for their whims and whatever arbitrary rules system they've set up to excuse their behavior

just like people, but also not

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StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Pick posted:

At some point Q stops judging humanity and starts just being a fanciful little imp

well wasn't that the thing though? Q was different from his brethren and actually developed attachments to people

He met Jean Luc and decided he liked being an imp much better than being a judgmental time being and spent some time floofing around and got his rear end handed to him by the Q Continuum for daring to be different

I've always read that whole situation as kinda ominous tbh, like if you don't act at the Continuum dictates you'll be erased from existence

The Q never struck me as a benevolent species whatsoever, and it would seem having so much power comes at a social cost

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