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I'm rewatching the Venture Bros right now and while most of it has stood up very well, with the show kind of book ending the ascendancy of (ugh) "geek culture", it has it's fair share of 2003-2006 era Adult Swim casual use of the r-word, some transphobia and lots of calling things "gay". I'll be honest and say that characters calling things "gay" can still land as a laugh for me, because most of the time it serves to make the person saying it look juvenile and churlish and the weight of the gag stems from that immaturity, but I'm also a straight cis person, so it might hit different for others. There's also a million other ways to make that gag or communicate that about a character.
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Snark posted:I do like that the show evolved in a way that makes me think the creators cringe looking back at some of those jokes. Later on, Monarch gets scolded for using the r-word, Brock goes from alpha male stereotype to showing some emotional vulnerabilities, and Shore Leave goes from "gay sailor" punchline to a fun bad-rear end character. In the most recent seasons, the Brock/Shore Leave interactions are some of my favorites. They didn't defensively double down on the poorly aged jokes like Rick and Morty. VB ran for like 75 years so I'm glad they're weren't against making changes along the way. Yeah, I agree! That was supposed to be in my post! Venture Bros definitely drops that stuff and is really progressive in some other regards, it's more of a "it was regrettably the style at the time" thing than anything else.
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I'm wondering whether to give Scrubs another shot. I didn't like the mugging (okay, Zack Braff as an actor) and bro-humour at the time, but I was also a pretty pissy teen.
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Henchman of Santa posted:It’s gross and not what you want from your heroic protagonist but a dude who 100% believes in the supernatural but Has Some Questions about sexual assault is definitely a realistic type of guy Yeah, that episode isnt great. X-Files was a little heavy on rape as a punchline too. Two of the best episodes (The Postmodern Prometheus and Small Potatoes) have rape played farcically.
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Dec 11, 2020 03:03
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beats for junkies posted:I don't remember Airwolf looking so fake during so much of the opening credits (and probably during the show as well), but of course it was. That would have been way too expensive and cut into the cocaine budget. This is like learning the Easter Bunny isnt real. The world feels less magic.
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Dec 15, 2020 00:51
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In the comic, I always felt it was pretty clear Scott wasnt particularly interested in Knives, he was just too passive and selfish to reject her. I never felt Scott was preying on her, but he was still being lovely because he liked the idea of her liking him. I guess that perspective comes from 17 and 23 being a legal, but still iffy, relationship where I come from. I have no idea about Canada.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:People other than Tina Fey wore fake glasses? My partners sister wanted glasses so bad she failed an eye test on purpose so she could get glasses.
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Dec 15, 2020 23:24
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Detective No. 27 posted:Henry Cavill was sitting at a restaurant in front of a giant poster for Batman v Superman in New York and nobody recognized him. It could just be that no one wanted to talk to Henry Cavill.
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Dec 16, 2020 10:32
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nonathlon posted:It's the natural lifecycle of the UK comedian to become low energy reactionary versions of themselves. Accompanied by writing a light comedic novel and having a column in the Guardian. The Guardian if they were ever any good (I much prefer angry woke Frankie Boyle to lovely edgelord Frankie Boyle), some right-wing Sunday rag if they're 99% of BBC panel show fodder.
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Dec 17, 2020 13:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Mostly the idea of 'you only ever get one shot to Confess Your Love to your Love Interest, and if you blow it then you've failed the script' is a big part of why we have incels. Or related to that, that you can persist with someone who just doesnt see how much they're in love with you yet. How real relationships form would make pretty boring films, but that doesnt make films a good model.
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Look, the only thing from DarkPlace that was supposed to be ironically bad but ended up being great actually was "One Track Lover" https://youtu.be/OO-ZGP68-3w
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Pocket Billiards posted:Something I can recall from the 80s and 90s in Australia was this anti-American sentiment from boomers when it came to cartoons, music, movies, etc. I guess it was a conservative point of view as they had grown up with more of an attachment to English culture. Where I lived there was only the ABC on television until the late 70s. I don't know if there was anything in 'The Media' about it, but it was a common experience for someone's Dad to walk past the living room and decry any American music or television that was playing at the moment. People would get upset about cheap toy fire engines having 911 on them and would make their stickers and send photos into the pulpy weekly magazines. It's something you can see in some non-American media from boomers and gen-x, like 70s British comics disavowing superheroes or Britpop as a reaction to grunge. I'm a little to young to remember it otherwise, but I don't think kicking back against a monoculture is a necessarily bad thing. It even arguably happened within America; I've heard it proposed that the X-Files worked because it was about mapping weird America before the Internet took-off and there was a Starbucks on every corner.
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Yeah, not sure if it's an actual "proper" poem as much as its just an example of a Limerick which always follow that "there once was a man from..." format with that particular meter and A/A/B/B/A rhyme scheme. There's likely loads of slight variations.
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Jul 8, 2021 19:58
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endocriminologist posted:I've never found a british comedy particularly good. There's at least one joke in every british comedy that's just "haha trannies am i right" I don't recall "I'm Alan Partridge" going that route, and if it does, then Partridge would be the butt of the joke.
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CharlestheHammer posted:What if we compromise and they go in a coma This wouldnt impact latter day DeNiro much. thetoughestbean posted:Twin Peaks beat it by quite a while I think Twin Peaks meant well, but I remember it stumbling a little but nothing I (cis person) felt was egregious or mean. Let's not forget this is in the same season as Catherine Martell's extended yellowface storyline, and I'm a season 2 defender (it only really stumbles after the reveal of Laura's killer and the ending is phenomenal - as a rule, if Dale is in his FBI suit, its a good episode and Windham Earl is cool)
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FreudianSlippers posted:The Windam Earle stuff in Season 2 of Twin Peaks is dull cliche evil genius serial killer stuff. I actually prefer the soapy schlock like James on the road or the beauty contest. I realise Earle isn't objectively great, but he has a 60s Batman villian energy I enjoy and he locks Ted Raimi in a giant chess piece. I mean, I also like the beauty contest and Super-Nadine, but could do without James' soft-porn adventure.
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christmas boots posted:Which is it??? I think people miss that someone like that is a great foil for Dale Cooper, 30yr old boy detective.
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Jedit posted:I suspect that most of the ones who haven't made a joke about it have as well. Pagliacci is a meme, but I can't imagine it's easy having to paper over the cracks and force a smile so you can make people laugh at you when you're having a bad day. People also forget that because its in the found text appendices that weren't in the movie or (if I recall correctly) original issues and many people I've talked to about that series skipped them for some reason.
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bitterandtwisted posted:I just found out the BBC had a minstrel show that aired until 1978 Yeah, boomers would still make reference to it when I was growing up and my Mum seemed pretty offended that the show she grew up liking was "bad now", although she seemed to get it when asked to think critically. The BBC posted:In May 1967, for instance, the Campaign Against Racial Discrimination submitted a petition calling for the show to be axed. The minutes of a BBC Board of Management meeting record the Corporation’s head of publicity turning to the letters page of the Daily Mail to gauge the public’s “general view”, and, having adopted this methodology, rather predictably coming to the conclusion that “the programme was not racially offensive”. Apparently satisfied with this, the Director-General, Hugh Greene, decided that “no further action was necessary”.  Disco Pope has a new favorite as of 16:10 on Jul 26, 2021 |
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It's definitely more of a cult sitcom, but the League of Gentlemen is one that has some jokes and characters that have aged great but also some of the shittiest transphobic jokes I've seen, even by the standards of its turn of the millenium release. I don't remember ever finding those funny growing up - not because I was a particularly woke teen or anything, I was an edgy little protogoon, but because my reaction was always like "oh okay". It always felt like incredibly lazy humour.
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docbeard posted:There's an epsiode of Spaced (which was just about contemporaneous with League of Gentlemen I think) that's extremely uncomfortable now, in that it's not even just incidental transphobic humor but the entire plot resolves with the protagonist attacking a trans woman in a fit of rage (who is in fairness being completely horrible to another character, but that's not really why it happens). It makes it a little rougher that Vulva was played by David Walliams, and his shows Little Britain and Come Fly With Me were incredibly mean spirited.
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This isn't so much media aging badly as much as me aging badly, but as a kid, when I would read the TV listings and see something listed as a "Black Comedy" I thought that meant it'd be a film like "Friday".
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Rockman Reserve posted:to tie it back to the topic, the reason it seems like DCs heroes don’t age as poorly as Marvel’s is because they’re less people and more logos I think the big DC Heroes are just more archetypal than Marvels are, although I'd argue that Spider-Man is probably a 4th superhero archetype. Marvel have always been a little more prone to trend-chasing too, although characters can survive that, like Luke Cage has, albeit by changing significantly. There's a tendency to think of DC as more conservative since their big names have dad vibes while Marvel leans towards "this could be you and your pals" vibes, but DC was canny as heck in the late 80s and 90s in getting a lot of pretty experimental talent on board and letting them loose on dead properties like Doom Patrol or Sandman.
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christmas boots posted:Spider-man almost feels like an outlier tbh. Like if you back and read the old silver age stuff the first Spider-Man is just head and shoulders above everything else they were writing at the time Spider-Man seems like he couldn't have really existed before the "teen-ager" became a thing a few years earlier. I find it interesting that some later versions of The Flash fit that nervous-but-capable rookie role in the Justice League later. There'd been teenage characters before, like Robin or Bucky, but they weren't really the same idea.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The MCU 'canon' is already kinda lol given Agents of Shield and THEN they officially introduce the multiverse. I think a lot of it is wanting to be perceived as edgy, but there is something incredibly slow-Sunday afternoon about Smallville, the 90s Dean Cain show and the Christoper Reeve films (which I'm sure were great if you were 6 in 1978 or whatever) which will have been a lot of people's formative idea of the character. Like, as a 6 year old, I remember being really weirded out by Burton's Batman because I adored the re-runs on the 60s show. Those impressions stick! Anyway, those people need to be medically prescribed Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman.
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Brawnfire posted:Twilight with zombies In addition to Warm Bodies, there's a Disney Channel show just called "Zombies" which is this exact premise. Although it has teen zombies and doesn't explain if they've been teens for decades or if zombies gently caress.
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the_steve posted:Not gonna lie, that realization was a bit of a shock to me. It makes perfect sense when you realise hippies are and were only interested in their own hedonistic pleasure. Neoliberalism is just the hippies and the old-school conservatives realising the only thing they really disagree on is how many Grateful Dead bootlegs you should own.
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