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Wamsutta
Sep 9, 2001

We go hard.


I laughed the entire episode because it was basically like reading the CSPAM Trump thread on TV

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Mob
May 6, 2002

I wanted to change my avatar but I didn't have a good title so I wanted to say suck it hot dogs are sandwiches


chitoryu12 posted:

I want to see how deep the rabbit hole of Ryan Murphy's insanity goes.

I'm nearly 100% sure this was answered in Nip/Tuck

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008



Ham Wrangler

Tenzarin posted:

Not too bad of a first episode. I think maybe the clowns and kai might not be related. Could be unrelated. I'm guessing the kid is adopted and is a young bloody face because he doesn't have his father.

My hunch is that the clowns are actually related to Ally. She's nutty because her childhood was tangled up with the clown cult somehow. That's why their masks seem specifically tied into her phobias.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007

Let me sing you a song


Taco Defender

So Trump got elected and their mexican nanny left? They show her for like 2s during the election.

Mezzanon
Sep 16, 2003



First episode was okay. Not the most riveting opener the show has ever had, but not the worst. Hopefully it does the thing where the season gets better as it goes on, and not the thing where it spirals into trash (Coven, Freakshow)

On the upside, it should be a loving incredible Halloween episode. Called Shot: Twisty the Clown comes back on Halloween (as ghosts are allowed to do and Twisty is hanging out with that back-of-head-face-circus-guy-ghost) and straight up murders either some cult people or some murder clowns.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

I'll kick yer sorry arse so hard you'll kiss the moons!



One would hope the clown cult worships Twisty. Otherwise why bring him back tbh


e: isnt peters supposed to play a bunch of cult leaders or smth this year? i bet that's the halloween ep

synthetik
Feb 28, 2007

I forgive you, Will. Will you forgive me?


Tenzarin posted:

So Trump got elected and their mexican nanny left? They show her for like 2s during the election.

I think we're gonna find that she was murdered with the whole 'she just left and didn't say goodbye' line. Or she's a clown.

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

coming like judgment day
i.e. for the second time.


synthetik posted:

I think we're gonna find that she was murdered with the whole 'she just left and didn't say goodbye' line. Or she's a clown.

Everyone is a clown. All clowns are the minotaur. All clowns are the minotaur. It will never be your birthday again.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot


OmegaBR posted:

Perhaps the biggest mistake Freak Show made was eliminating Twisty so fast, so maybe it's lingering feelings of regret.
The first couple minutes of ep1 legitimately confused the hell out of me for a while, then I was sooo happy.

Murderclowns are kind of dumb though, especially with the huge amount of publicity It is receiving.

But the psycho brother and sister are great so far, I lost my poo poo when lobster boy was humping his television and shouting trumpisms.

QuoProQuid posted:

I'm not sure I expected the 2016 election influences to be... that overt.
I'm really still kind of vacillating on it, either it's the dumbest or greatest thing ever. The first 7 minutes of ep1 were basically the last 18 months in the USA, mainlined.

I totally was converted to a fan of this season though, when the hipster mentally ill urban elite lesbian restauranteur is complaining about her housekeeper running away after the election.

Wamsutta posted:

I laughed the entire episode because it was basically like reading the CSPAM Trump thread on TV
this is 100% true.

coyo7e fucked around with this message at Sep 8, 2017 around 02:49

timp
Sep 18, 2007

Everything is in my control


Lipstick Apathy

I've said this in AHS threads before, but one of my favorite aspects of this show is the send ups. In this episode I got some very strong Zodiac vibes from the Twisty scene. All of the clown gang scenes were very much like The Purge, and the scene with the clowns in the neighbor's house sort of reminded me of Funny Games or The Strangers.

Any other horror movie nods in this one that I may have missed?

chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


timp posted:

I've said this in AHS threads before, but one of my favorite aspects of this show is the send ups. In this episode I got some very strong Zodiac vibes from the Twisty scene. All of the clown gang scenes were very much like The Purge, and the scene with the clowns in the neighbor's house sort of reminded me of Funny Games or The Strangers.

Any other horror movie nods in this one that I may have missed?

The Twisty scene was actually a repeat of the scene from Freak Show, just with more shooting. Though you could argue THAT was meant as a Zodiac reference.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot


Mezzanon posted:

First episode was okay. Not the most riveting opener the show has ever had, but not the worst. Hopefully it does the thing where the season gets better as it goes on, and not the thing where it spirals into trash (Coven, Freakshow)

On the upside, it should be a loving incredible Halloween episode. Called Shot: Twisty the Clown comes back on Halloween (as ghosts are allowed to do and Twisty is hanging out with that back-of-head-face-circus-guy-ghost) and straight up murders either some cult people or some murder clowns.
I a totally down with the idea of a redemptive ark for Twisty the murderclown. I always felt sad for him.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007

Let me sing you a song


Taco Defender

coyo7e posted:

I a totally down with the idea of a redemptive ark for Twisty the murderclown. I always felt sad for him.

He had a redemptive arc! It was one of the freak show Halloween episodes.

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot


Season 7 episode 11 finale Edward Mordrake returns and takes Trump with him.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004



coyo7e posted:

Season 7 episode 11 finale Edward Mordrake returns and takes Trump with him.

Nobby
Sep 10, 2006

Everyone cries when they're stabbed. There's no shame in that.


timp posted:

I've said this in AHS threads before, but one of my favorite aspects of this show is the send ups. In this episode I got some very strong Zodiac vibes from the Twisty scene. All of the clown gang scenes were very much like The Purge, and the scene with the clowns in the neighbor's house sort of reminded me of Funny Games or The Strangers.

Any other horror movie nods in this one that I may have missed?

Does having John Carroll Lynch in it mean automatic Zodiac vibes? (Not only does he play Twisty, he also played the likely Zodiac killer in...Zodiac.)

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot


And that was the day that Twisty the Clown truly became president

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007

Let me sing you a song


Taco Defender

If anything this season will show us how delusional democrats are.

kjetting
Jan 18, 2004

Hammer time


I really thought this was a pretty strong first episode.

It had batshit crazy stuff, like Evan Peters humping his television, painting his face orange with crushed cheetos and seeing the election result as a sign of the coming apocalypse, and some pretty cool set ups for future scares, like Sarah Paulson's psychosis and hallucinations that you just KNOW will be used for some cry wolf moments later on where no one believes her true story.
The humor reminds me a little about Scream Queens, but maybe it's just seeing Billie Lourd that takes my mind there. I laughed many times at the exaggerated characters. Like how Paulson worries about their nanny moving away right after the election and suspect she may have been deported or Chanel #3's pinky swear truth session with Evan Peters cross cut with her nanny job interview.

The one thing I'm worried about is that the season will go completely off the rails and add so many spooks and subplots that it loses all suspense, as is the typical AHS fare. In three episodes time we may have werewolfes, serial killers, alien spores and rabid cyborg dogs running around.

Vakal
May 11, 2008



kjetting posted:

In three episodes time we may have werewolfes, serial killers, alien spores and rabid cyborg dogs running around.

If we are lucky.

Tiny Lowtax
May 16, 2003

Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!
Psalm 137:9


Vakal posted:

If we are lucky.

Yeah I can't imagine killer clowns will hold my attention for an entire season.

Every year I get super excited for AHS then every year I'm just like "eh it was ok" or like Freakshow I'm like "eh I can't even finish this garbage"

Doltos
Dec 28, 2005

If you meet the Buddha in the lane, feed him the ball.

This might be the worst thing I ever watched on television and I've seen American Horror Story seasons 1-6.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007

Let me sing you a song


Taco Defender

Freakshow and whichhouse were so much worse.

We Know Catheters
Jan 14, 2006

Sounding for the greater good

The only bad season was Hotel

hangedman1984
Jul 25, 2012



We Know Catheters posted:

The only bad season was Hotel every season after Asylum

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.


College Slice

Freakshow was great. Roanoke was great. Hotel sucked balls. Coven sucked.

This is so far pretty hilarious. The election broke soooooo many brains on both sides.

For some reason I feel Ally is going to get her own cult.

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Finally got a chance to watch this and... hoo boy.

My girlfriend hates Lena Dunham with a passion so at least there's her clown murder to look forward to.

Dienes
Nov 4, 2009

And he piled upon the whale's white hump, the sum of all the rage and hate felt by his whole race. If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart upon it.

hangedman1984 posted:

The only bad season was Hotel Asylum

coyo7e
Aug 23, 2007

by zen death robot


Coven didn't end up going anywhere was what really pissed me off. It was just getting interesting them boom lights out go home.

I am a sucker for voodoo slapstick though

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014



coyo7e posted:

Coven didn't end up going anywhere was what really pissed me off. It was just getting interesting them boom lights out go home.

I am a sucker for voodoo slapstick though

angela bassett was also super fuckin dope

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice even year you have there, it would be a shame if some bullshit were to happen to it.

Hotel was good if you just pretended the lovely cop and his dumb family didnt exist.

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010



Spoeank posted:

Hotel was good if you just pretended the lovely cop and his dumb family didnt exist.

Maybe a lot of media is secretly good if you ignore the main plot?

Spoeank
Jul 16, 2003

That's a nice even year you have there, it would be a shame if some bullshit were to happen to it.

I legitimately zoned out every time those idiots were on screen and it was enjoyable otherwise

Liz Taylor
Kathy Bates' whole deal
Lady Gaga sex vampire
HH Holmes
Sarah Paulsen's weird heroin ghost

QuickbreathFinisher
Sep 28, 2008

coming like judgment day
i.e. for the second time.


TOOT BOOT posted:

Maybe a lot of media is secretly good if you ignore the main plot straight people?

There you go.

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

I'll kick yer sorry arse so hard you'll kiss the moons!



Accurate. Same goes for life in general tbqh

kjetting
Jan 18, 2004

Hammer time


Spoeank posted:

I legitimately zoned out every time those idiots were on screen and it was enjoyable otherwise

Liz Taylor
Kathy Bates' whole deal tribute video
Lady Gaga sex vampire
HH Holmes
Sarah Paulsen's weird heroin ghost

Agreed on all accounts. But, as is usually the case with AHS, there were simply too many horses in the ring and not enough reins.
I even think there wasn't anything inherently bad with any of the basic plots regarding the family, they were just very sloppily handled.

All of these are plots with potential for horror and suspense:

  • Serial killer investigator revealed to be the serial killer himself
  • "Themed" serial killer finishes the work of another serial killer, persuaded by his predecessor's ghost
  • Man with marriage problems ends up drunk and in bed with another woman, finds out that he's been in the same situation several times before withe same woman. Also there is a general theme of addiction around the woman and the reason she's seemingly cosplaying Courtney Love is that she's a ghost who died in the ninties.
  • Doctor as a last desperate measure turns patient into vampire because she can't stand the thought of losing another child
  • Abducted child turns up undead, grieving mother turn self undead to be with him forever


...and they were all SORT OF justified in the plot, with the build up of the marriage falling apart because of the disappearance of Holden and the parents refusing to let go, the father eventually becoming more absorbed with his work and neglecting his family, and the mother becoming distant, even suicidal, before also seeking refuge in her work and neglecting her family.

...It's just that those are all very demanding stories to tell, for both cast, director and script, and in the ADD world building of AHS these plots were all neglected by parents absorbed with all their other plots.

Good storytelling is more than just coming up with a concept. Or in Ryan Murphy's case - a thousand concepts in one story. Most seasons of AHS were built like a Twilight Zone-ish anthology show, only with all the episodes running parallell and having common characters. At least Murphy and crew are great at coming up with batshit insane concepts so you can usually enjoy the camp value, even in the worst seasons.

One of the reasons I think Roanoke is possibly the best season is because it stuck to a concept. it switched up the storytelling framework a few times, but it was still about Ghosts of Roanoke tribe kiling trespassers to please immortal sex-witch. Of course, there was also the neighbors, but I think they served mostly as an in-universe explanation of why leaving was as dangerous as staying behind.

TheBizzness
Oct 5, 2004

I don't mean to impose, but I am the ocean


Jesus the thread has gotten as bad as the show.

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005
Oh, Jesus fuck. It's like the Nazis opened The Ark Of The Covenant, and I looked.

Wow, I gave up and turned off the ep at the point Evan Peters started pissing into a condom. Every character and reference was just so insufferable.

I think I'm giving a hard pass to the rest of this season.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

The video arcade made me what I am today!


Yeah I'll give it one more episode and then I'm done, Coven and Freak Show were bad but neither were as completely, unabashedly dumb as the premiere of this season.

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chitoryu12
Apr 23, 2014

We can't stop here! This is cat country!


King Vidiot posted:

Yeah I'll give it one more episode and then I'm done, Coven and Freak Show were bad but neither were as completely, unabashedly dumb as the premiere of this season.

Its stupidity is exactly why I'm watching it. If the first episode started this crazy, imagine how Murphy tries to top it!

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