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Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I don't like the sound of "we're going to be very involved with the UK". That sounds very ominous.

*heavy breathing and licking of lips* "ah yes we are going to be... very... involved... with the NHS"

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feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Make Britain Great Britain Again

He's gonna invade France and annex Brittany for us

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

There's a good bit in the guardian about the cleaners' strike and how they're starting to unionise more, while companies push them into agency contracts to make it harder for them to strike

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/01/some-days-i-feel-like-ill-drop-dead-britains-biggest-cleaners-strike

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Can we just have a general strike by this point, literally no-one is happy about anything. Even the people who feel like they're getting what they want are still loving miserable.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



i hope we get some good riots again soon, i want one of those toasters with an egg poacher built in

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Can we just have a general strike by this point, literally no-one is happy about anything. Even the people who feel like they're getting what they want are still loving miserable.
Spain 1936 and France 1968 can give you an idea of how that'll turn out.

I'm all for synidcalism, but the unions in the western world are basically dog poo poo at this point.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
On one hand the unions are weaker, on the other hand there's no state M-L as big a dick as Stalin to gently caress the anarchists, and there's no Franco to actually be strong and stable against them.

What would we get? Michael Gove with a drawn on mustache shouting at anarchists throwing bricks, while Xi only intervenes if his investments are threatened, then Trump bombs every side, not because of ideology but because someone from Leeds goatse'd him on Twitter?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Ratjaculation posted:

i hope we get some good riots again soon, i want one of those toasters with an egg poacher built in

They do a version that can heat up beans now while it toasts the bread. I suspect they are the same machine with a different sticker on.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Technology: Has man gone too far?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
It will not have gone too far until I can poo poo in a toaster and have nanobots turn it into toast in the same time that a current toaster takes to brown a slice of bread.

communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
One of the biggest problems in both those strikes was actually the union officials and leaders.
Once you get a paid staff running unions they naturally experience a conflict of interests - their livelihoods are contingent on the status quo and the union remaining legal and in the state's good books.
Historically they opposed radical strike action by their own membership and sought to channel general strikes into quibbles with bosses over pay rises. If the membership becomes too radical the state gets antsy and the union's leadership positions are threatened along with the legal existence of the union.

Look at the anti-union legislation that was enacted in this cou try after the miners' strike, for example. Today's unions have been deliberately engineered away from being weapons of class struggle and are now basically tools for negotiating pay rises with a limited ability to even represent and protect their own specialised and narrow memberships.

Even so, i think syndicalism is the best chance we have of effecting social change today, but the starting point has to be changing the unions from the inside and from the grass roots.

Ultimately unions need to be more socially conscious, more militant, and more willing to break the law. They need to be means to an end, not an end in themselves. But while union bosses "earn" £100k a year for being union bosses that aint happening.

communism bitch fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Aug 1, 2017

SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC
I am legit surprised there hasn't been any more riots since the ones in.... 2011 was it?

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Newspaper campaigning for strict border controls angry that the EU are imposing strict border controls.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

like PJW would ever leave his loving house

Does he have a brother called Steve?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

SteelMentor posted:

I am legit surprised there hasn't been any more riots since the ones in.... 2011 was it?
There were minor ones last week after a lovely police response to the death of Frederico Da Costa.

They didn't progress much further, maybe because the police handled it better than beating an unarmed teen girl when people showed up to demand answers, maybe because the media kept a tighter lid on it, idk.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


TinTower posted:

Newspaper campaigning for strict border controls angry that the EU are imposing strict border controls.



:ironicat:

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

TinTower posted:

Newspaper campaigning for strict border controls angry that the EU are imposing strict border controls.



brexit.jpg

"Uh wait, what do you mean it goes both ways?"

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Not really though, movement for travel around Europe has always been Schengen/non-Schengen, not EU/non-EU. This is more to do with tougher non-Schengen checks because of various reasons, including migrant crisis paranoia. The Mail just wants to blame it on the EU. I bet non-EU Norway aren't being affected but Ireland are being hit as hard as the UK.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry

Guavanaut posted:

Not really though, movement for travel around Europe has always been Schengen/non-Schengen, not EU/non-EU. This is more to do with tougher non-Schengen checks because of various reasons, including migrant crisis paranoia. The Mail just wants to blame it on the EU. I bet non-EU Norway aren't being affected but Ireland are being hit as hard as the UK.

Sure, but what I mean is this:

Harder border controls in UK: harder for others to come in (keep forrins out, good!)
Harder border controls elsewhere: fuckers trying to keep us out! the nerve! they should kiss our feet in welcome always we're britane!

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Any why shouldn't it be like that? After all, Grate Britain Strong :gonk:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Pochoclo posted:

Sure, but what I mean is this:

Harder border controls in UK: harder for others to come in (keep forrins out, good!)
Harder border controls elsewhere: fuckers trying to keep us out! the nerve! they should kiss our feet in welcome always we're britane!
Yeah, the Mail is phrasing it as "foreigns don't respect us! gently caress them!"
The Schengen Area is phrasing it as "foreigns exist! gently caress them!"
And the EU status of all involved is mostly irrelevant.

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






I'm about 90% sure that he has dementia. I'm not saying that as a joke, I'm not saying that because Chapo made that a subject in a recent episode, I'm saying that as someone who has watched close relatives succumb to it in recent years.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

":airquote:Passengers:airquote: complain of being treated like cattle and being 'punished' by the EU"

BY DAILY MAIL HOLIDAYMAKER

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

Hardcore cheerleading authoritarian anti-terrorism measures until they're the ones being stopped and searched and suddenly it's an outrage

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Gorn Myson posted:

I'm about 90% sure that he has dementia. I'm not saying that as a joke, I'm not saying that because Chapo made that a subject in a recent episode, I'm saying that as someone who has watched close relatives succumb to it in recent years.

I too enjoy playing armchair physician about people I don't know

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

baka kaba posted:

Hardcore cheerleading authoritarian anti-terrorism measures until they're the ones being stopped and searched and suddenly it's an outrage

Just dont leave the house

Simple

Foreign countries dont have sky TV or a fridge filled with yogurts and icepops

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

I too enjoy playing armchair physician about people I don't know
Oh no, I have been owned by someone who sees Carl of Swindon as an intellectual.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Gorn Myson posted:

Oh no, I have been owned by someone who sees Carl of Swindon as an intellectual.

I'm not sure if anyone who still watches GOT has any right to be questioning my intellectual capacities

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:

I'm not sure if anyone who still watches GOT has any right to be questioning my intellectual capacities
Yeah, GoT is for me some trashy escapist television, as opposed to something that I can point at to explain my ideology.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

Gorn Myson posted:

Yeah, GoT is for me some trashy escapist television, as opposed to something that I can point at to explain my ideology.

Ah yes the advanced Sargonist political theory I have been hearing so much about

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81W2TAKPKQs

I'm all aboard the true Marxist philosopher of the 21st century

Alexander Jahans

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
how old are you IFM?

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Gorn Myson posted:

I'm about 90% sure that he has dementia. I'm not saying that as a joke, I'm not saying that because Chapo made that a subject in a recent episode, I'm saying that as someone who has watched close relatives succumb to it in recent years.

Same. And while people might get pissy about us armchair diagnosticians it should be pointed out that his actual physician's account of his health was incredibly suspect, employing even the same verbal tics the man uses himself. Hugely good health, excellent physically, etc.

And then when the wokes get all annoyed about it because you're stigmatizing someone due to their mental health, it's really loving weird because if you have dementia that bars you from driving or operating heavy machinery but somehow being the commander-in-chief of the world's largest killing machine isn't considered a similar position of responsibility.

Dude has holes in his brain, this isn't like FDR concealing his disability to inspire the American people this is like when my grandad got in the car at six in the morning and drove it into a ditch.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

TomViolence posted:

Same. And while people might get pissy about us armchair diagnosticians it should be pointed out that his actual physician's account of his health was incredibly suspect, employing even the same verbal tics the man uses himself. Hugely good health, excellent physically, etc.

And then when the wokes get all annoyed about it because you're stigmatizing someone due to their mental health, it's really loving weird because if you have dementia that bars you from driving or operating heavy machinery but somehow being the commander-in-chief of the world's largest killing machine isn't considered a similar position of responsibility.

Dude has holes in his brain, this isn't like FDR concealing his disability to inspire the American people this is like when my grandad got in the car at six in the morning and drove it into a ditch.

If he has dementia, he's had it since he was a teenager. He's been like this his whole life.

He's a spoiled rich kid who's never been told no.

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Deteriorata posted:

If he has dementia, he's had it since he was a teenager. He's been like this his whole life.

He's a spoiled rich kid who's never been told no.

He's always been a huge prick and a narcissist, yes, but when he was a younger huge prick and narcissist he was much more consistent and articulate about it. Same way Reagan was a red-baiting reactionary piece of poo poo dimbulb all his life but there was a clear breakpoint where he actually went off the rails mentally.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

JFairfax posted:

how old are you IFM?

old enough to remember John Major

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
lol right, like the spitting image sketches with him or what?

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot

JFairfax posted:

lol right, like the spitting image sketches with him or what?

i used to babysit him

good lad our John

always straight to bed without a fuss after his hot cocoa

Piss Witch
Oct 23, 2005

communism bitch posted:

One of the biggest problems in both those strikes was actually the union officials and leaders.
Once you get a paid staff running unions they naturally experience a conflict of interests - their livelihoods are contingent on the status quo and the union remaining legal and in the state's good books.
Historically they opposed radical strike action by their own membership and sought to channel general strikes into quibbles with bosses over pay rises. If the membership becomes too radical the state gets antsy and the union's leadership positions are threatened along with the legal existence of the union.

Look at the anti-union legislation that was enacted in this cou try after the miners' strike, for example. Today's unions have been deliberately engineered away from being weapons of class struggle and are now basically tools for negotiating pay rises with a limited ability to even represent and protect their own specialised and narrow memberships.

Even so, i think syndicalism is the best chance we have of effecting social change today, but the starting point has to be changing the unions from the inside and from the grass roots.

Ultimately unions need to be more socially conscious, more militant, and more willing to break the law. They need to be means to an end, not an end in themselves. But while union bosses "earn" £100k a year for being union bosses that aint happening.

Basically we need more people in the IWW.

Please?

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Plasmafountain
Jun 17, 2008

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