Birdstrike posted:

liar ##vote Jeabus

Quidthulhu posted:

also that joke falls flat if you don't put yourself as town imho

Birdstrike posted:

Jeabus what do you think about the n0 flip?

Birdstrike posted:

you're not celebrating the timely death of the Frenulum Frénière patriarch?

Birdstrike posted:

Real talk, Jeabus opened with

gif Probst posted:

you're avatar is terrible and is the reason you have three votes.

Little Mac posted:

I honestly thought I was 3P until I PMed Podima just now.

Eight Dollars posted:

Why do you suspect Asiina the most of the bunch?

Asiina posted:

I still think the LM case was dumb, Jebus and Bif looking bad.

Sandwolf posted:

The Lord of Hats posted:

Is having the N0 flip be scum a thing that happens? I mean, I know I'm getting all setup-spec-y right out of the starting gates here, but having a Godfather as the first flip seems to imply another faction that has a kill, whether it's SK or another scum faction. Or a vigilante who's feeling especially murderous, I guess?

Bifauxnen posted:

huh? are you talking to Hats? If he means it might be better to not go spilling all the town flavor he could be right, though. I still think it's weird that he saw that "many times over" death and thought, hmmm maybe it implies an especially murderous vigilante.

Bifauxnen posted:

cause even known shitposter Birdstrike is already generating mad leads from it from nearly the start of D1, I am truly impressed

so Birb you're thinking Jeabus over Hats at least for now? I think you have a point

##vote Jeabus

Birdstrike posted:

okay


This post twigged me because it undersells my casing-while-shitposting abilities.
I also never considered Hats at all - saying I was thinking "jeabus over hats" mischaracterises what I said.


Like this too, I never made any case on Hats.

But what I'm feeling most is tone. Her posts about Little Mac sound arrogant, like she knows the setup and is lording over little Mac being wrong.

Bifauxnen posted:

you didn't make the case on Hats, I made the case on Hats but it was in the same flavor way as what you were trying to do with Jeabus. That's why I kept mentioning them together, wanting to see what people thought about it and who else was twigging on to what we were both on about.

Max posted:

Do you mean rolecop?

Bifauxnen posted:

Ugh I will try and explain this one more time

Scum ARE quite likely to have an example town PM if not full fakeclaims. I would expect as much from Pod the flavour-heavy effort mod. So that's not the issue.

But while they might have access to that flavour, Max made the excellent point that they would be getting that flavour AS a fakeclaim, and not share the same initial confusion as town.

So it's just about classic scumhunting: trying to gauge who is reacting genuinely versus who is forcing content. It's about analysing people's behaviour. What they try and do with it and who's trying to figure things out.

LMac is dumping on everyone for trying to case based on flavour, but he himself indulged in saying how he had that initial confusion and thought he might be 3P. But only after a bunch of other people did, and we'd just got done saying that it probably couldn't mean anything anymore, now that enough people had been going on about it. That could've just not meant anything and been the end of it.

But when I posted "too late buddy", writing off the possibility that LMac's claimed confusion meant anything, (which in fact was the attitude LMac claims we wants us to have!) He went off sounding angry imo, about how he didn't care it was too late, and how we shouldn't be considering people cleared. And then he got mad about being called mad.

You know how scum get mad when you correctly call then scum but for bad reasons? His reactions sounded like he was scum all mad about townies calling each other cleared town for bad reasons. I'll ask again, why was he assuming our "feeling better about you" posts meant we were writing each other of as totally cleared?

Bifauxnen posted:

it's not that knowing the flavor makes you confirmed town, LMac. It's how you observe people trying to use it, trying to suss things out. For example, you just dropping it in a big steaming pile here to make everything obvious for everyone now seems to be a scummy use of it.

Bifauxnen posted:

Uh

I do bring up the scum faction thing later

Also my personal reaction to the ecco kill that made the vigilante thing stick out to me more

I wondered why Hats would think this death implied just one extra-murderous vig instead of many many angry vengeance-aligned townies.

The Lord of Hats posted:

Because for as much as I talked about the n0 kill, and about flavor in general, I managed to skip over the flavor text for the actual kill because I was so taken aback by the kill being on Scum. Because of that, I thought the scenario was more "there's a bunch of people who all hate the Chauvin de la Frenieres on the train, who don't exactly have it in them to commit outright murder, but there's also someone out there whose grudge goes further, and a bloodbath ensues as the townies start feeling opportunistic" than "the townies all got together and merked a dude without an inciting event to get things rolling".

Also, question I'd like to ask, though I doubt I'm getting an answer: Are there any town out there with an alignment other than "Vengeance"?

Bifauxnen posted:

I'm a bit concerned now about the idea of different "motivation" factions, which Hats has belatedly brought up to defend his thought process:


I re-read the OP and I DON'T see any flavor about different motivations behind what goes down on the train. I wonder if Hats might be giving away too much of his extra knowledge as he tries to explain away his thought process. Hats, can you quote what you're talking about here?

Podima posted:

Through each bloody conflict, Shine spread further across the nation - as did the secrets of its brewing. And now, Shine is easy enough to get for anyone who wants it - young or old, rich or poor. But crafty brewers keep experimenting with Shine recipes, and new batches pop up every day with stranger and stranger effects.

As the Sunset Limited rolled away from New Orleans, its passengers settled themselves into seats or knocked back a celebratory drink at the bar. None aboard had any clue what sort of chaos was about to unfold on this simple train journey, sparked by hatred, jealousy, greed, regret, and above all... the seductive power of Shine.

Bifauxnen posted:

I noticed that later and thought that might have been what you meant, but it does still seem like a stretch to me, especially since you mentioned other scum factions:


like my first reaction was "if vengeance is a whole alignment and everyone has their own separate reason to want to kill off this drat family, well no wonder Ecco's multi-dead"

Birdstrike posted:

uh what benefit?

gif Probst posted:

gimme 2 hrs and i will elaborate on errything

The Lord of Hats posted:

I think that Quid going "Hey guys, let me tell you my meta" is bad, but not something I want to leap to a lynch over.

I don't like Jeabus dodging the question about the N0 thing, and then when someone asks about that dodge he complains about being singled out. After that we get radio silence before he decides to announce "Alright, going to sleep now". Which, I mean, that last bit isn't inherently scummy, it just kind of stood out to me given what I'm already seeing.

I'm vaguely suspicious of Somberbrero, but I'm pretty sure that I'm *always* vaguely suspicious of Somberbrero, regardless of what he's doing, so I'm not giving that a lot of credence right now.

The Lord of Hats posted:

This is maybe a little out of nowhere, but I took a look at gif Probst, remembering this post, referring to me:


There aren't a lot of posts, and most of them are pretty empty so this isn't a ton to analyze, but the next substantive thing posted is:


And I think there's a couple of things to unpack from it:

1) He disagrees with the Little Mac vote, but doesn't elaborate on it at all.

2) Given his reasoning against me is pretty much based on 'fake content', dismissing "is pretty much just asking questions" out of hand seems really weird.

3) That King Burgundy comes completely out of left field, and never gets elaborated on (until literally just now as I was writing this post). It's like pulling a name out of a hat.


I don't think you've elaborated enough on a single case for 'consistent' reasoning.

Bifauxnen posted:

Why do you say this immediately before quoting my response

Asiina posted:

It is not Jebus' first game and so therefore gloves are off.


This is a good post.

##vote Jebus

Asiina posted:

Yeah, no, I'm totally on board for the same reason.

Asiina posted:

I've caught up, but honestly my eyes glazed over during a lot of that back and forth. It's The International every afternoon and evening between now and Saturday and that has all of my focus. I thought I'd read more in the morning but I just spent about 6 hours doing revisions on my ethics.

So what I'm saying is that I'm not really paying attention for the rest of the day. Maybe I'll read more tomorrow morning unless more bullshit comes my way.

I still think the LM case was dumb, Jebus and Bif looking bad.

MMT and 8bux give me bad feelings, but it's gut rather than anything else.

There are far too many people in this game to have opinions on all of them on D1 so that's all I got.

Birdstrike posted:

It might be time

for Night Action Mafia^TM