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ISIS has a killer social media presence, though.
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I apologize if this rambling is frustrating to read. There needs to be more vocal dissent against the messed up business people get up to in the name of religion on all sides. Let me be anecdotal towards my own experiences. I can speak as a Jew. I see what happens in Israel and it makes me sick to my stomach. I support aaliyah, but I do not support a Jewish state. I do not support any state based off of religion. I'm vocal about it to to the more conservative parts of my family and fellow Jews. You can imagine how disgusted they are and how pissed off they are at me when I say it. But I say it because since I am a Jew I know that what I say has weight to them. Far-right religious movements need to be shouted down. Just being moral yourself is not enough. So here's my question after all that: Do you think that the average Muslim has a duty to protect and promote a pluralistic society? How do you think this aim can be objectively achieved? Is it even possible? Are we all doomed? Ferdinand the Bull fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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Tendai posted:There is, but generally in countries where there is not the immediate need for the distinction. The United States. Canada. Various European countries. People there on average are not particularly in danger of terrorist attack or religious violence of the nature that one sees in other parts of the world. Yes there are random dangers along those lines but they are not facts of lives to the extent that they are in places like Iraq right now. The places where those voices truly, truly matter the most and where that change needs to happen so desperately. True. Good points. Actually, let me rephrase. As a western Jew, I feel that I have a moral obligation to speak out against the racist and exclusionary tendencies of the Israeli government. My separation from the regime gives me the ability to agitate for change in a manner that Israeli Jews cannot. I base this off of the assumption that there are many Israelis who hold my viewpoint that for political reasons cannot speak out. What I am wondering is this: do you feel western Muslims have a moral obligation to speak out against the racist and exclusionary attitudes of SA and the various Gulf States?
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Tendai posted:Yes, I 100% feel like they do and the significant number of apologists is disgusting. Me too. There is so much ugliness in the world, and generally one has so little control over it. Faith should be about developing inner strength, strengethining bonds in the community. I realize as Muslims and Jews we dont really have a lot of say how our communities are perceived. Thats just how it is I guess. What are some things about Islam that give you hope?
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Fizzil posted:Sorry i know this is more towards Tendai, but a really good thing and one that gives me hope is that muslims in the US have shown to be more progressive and accepting and willing to engage and go against the grain without compromising, its especially important because we simply have no real voice right now except through them. Same. These forums have consistently kept me sane in a world gone mad. Yall are part of my community.
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