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Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

PARTY ON, GARTH OF IZAR


No show or movie or whatever is perfect (lol the guy's name is Holden I think he's kind of supposed to suck? I haven't read the books) but I really liked The Expanse and I think a lot of other people do too. If this really is it's last season then at least it's getting a proper ending, no endless cliffhanger bullshit. At it's core though, it's about people trying to do the right thing in the face of overwhelming bullshit and as "gritty and dark" as it is I think that aspect shines through and makes it feel overall less oppressive to me than say, BSG.

I guess my original point was that after all these years I've learned that the basic Star Trek formula can still actually work if the people doing it are at least somewhat talented and totally earnest about what they want to do, and I shouldn't really be surprised that works better than fleeing from the whole idea while winking at it as hard as you can like some other shows do cough cough

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Jazerus
May 24, 2011

I'm from another time, another world. I don't even know what you people eat for lunch.



drunken officeparty posted:

Kelly gets best actress? She's just as mediocre as Seth. If anyone deserves it, Alara does.

Comedy option: Norm Macdonald gets both best actor and best actress because his character is genderless.

yeah alara and bortus are the clear nominees really

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

Tighclops posted:

If this really is it's last season then at least it's getting a proper ending, no endless cliffhanger bullshit.


Where in the world did you get that idea? It's based on a series of books that is still going and from what I understand the 2nd book is wrapping up with the mid-season episode tonight. It's absolutely going to end the season in a cliffhanger with numerous ongoing threads that aren't even introduced yet.

Platonicsolid
Nov 17, 2008



accord posted:

I like expanse just enough to care it got cancelled, but lol @ the first season for thinking I care about the goody two shoes bland dude with the cult birth bg when really I wanted husky voice lady and the pretty Southern boy brute

While Baltimore is technically in the south, don't get caught saying that in Charm City.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Measly Twerp posted:

The Expanse got cancelled because it was so boring that nobody watched it yet still obscenely expensive. The main cast were entirely forgettable for the first season except for that Indian lady with the husky voice who's name I can't even remember.

Look, I don't want to hate on something you enjoy just because I didn't personally like it, but lets not pretend that The Expanse didn't have problems.


Krispy Wafer posted:

Expanse is one of those shows that you check the DVR to see how much time is left and let out a groan no matter where it is on the timeline.

And I like the show, but holy hell it drags. Also the biggest actor is the Punisher and he's dead. Otherwise it's the husky voiced Indian lady and the guy who looks like the actor on The Tick but who isn't.

accord posted:

I like expanse just enough to care it got cancelled, but lol @ the first season for thinking I care about the goody two shoes bland dude with the cult birth bg when really I wanted husky voice lady and the pretty Southern boy brute

Holy poo poo I'm glad it wasn't just me. I was almost embarrassed to say I was bored by it. It's a show I wanted to like so bad, and it was kinda interesting, but never really hooked me. There are some shows that are just drat compelling from the get go, and this was not one of them. I guess I'll get to it someday, I mean it's on Netflix now, but it's not a show I look forward to, compared to Orville or even DISCO especially the 2nd half of the season.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

PARTY ON, GARTH OF IZAR


bull3964 posted:

Where in the world did you get that idea? It's based on a series of books that is still going and from what I understand the 2nd book is wrapping up with the mid-season episode tonight. It's absolutely going to end the season in a cliffhanger with numerous ongoing threads that aren't even introduced yet.

One of the show's producers said something to that effect on twitter

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

I think they said this season of The Expanse ends without a cliffhanger.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012



I didnít get the expanse first time around, I just stuck to it for a few eps because all my friends told me itís amazing. But then the space battle episode came and then I watched it all and also read the books (theyíre perfect material for intercontinental flights).

Itís good to have (had) both it and The Orville.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002



Grimey Drawer

My friends were all like, "it's so awesome, it's realistic space battles" and realistic space battles are boring.

I really don't care why an Tie Fighter that can fly in both space and in atmosphere has wings that serve no purpose in either. It's fun to watch them fly around. It's not as much fun watching a prototype Mars warship spend several minutes using it's stabilizer jets to get into position for attack.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013



well now, that's ... an opinion. The space combat is fine.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003



Yams Fan

Krispy Wafer posted:

My friends were all like, "it's so awesome, it's realistic space battles" and realistic space battles are boring.

I really don't care why an Tie Fighter that can fly in both space and in atmosphere has wings that serve no purpose in either. It's fun to watch them fly around. It's not as much fun watching a prototype Mars warship spend several minutes using it's stabilizer jets to get into position for attack.

Babylon 5 had the best TV space battles.

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012



Krispy Wafer posted:

My friends were all like, "it's so awesome, it's realistic space battles" and realistic space battles are boring.

I really don't care why an Tie Fighter that can fly in both space and in atmosphere has wings that serve no purpose in either. It's fun to watch them fly around. It's not as much fun watching a prototype Mars warship spend several minutes using it's stabilizer jets to get into position for attack.
I'd say "The Expanse's realistic space battles are actually very tense and enjoyable", but you actually admit to liking Star Wars

The Donnager battle in Expanse is very interesting in a similar way as Balance of Power/Wrath of Khan are.

drunken officeparty
Aug 23, 2006



I've never seen The Expanse, and if they try for ~~realism~~ but the characters have gravity and aren't just floating around and peeing in spacecondoms I never will.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

drunken officeparty posted:

I've never seen The Expanse, and if they try for ~~realism~~ but the characters have gravity and aren't just floating around and peeing in spacecondoms I never will.

They don't have gravity. Space stations have spin and they even show different effects depending on how far from the center you are.

Ships only have 'gravity' while under thrust. Otherwise, they are only walking around by using magnetic boots. Ships are explicitly designed as a tower so that the floors are perpendicular to the axis of thrust.

About the only scifi contrivance they have with respect to gravity (outside of what the proto-molecule can do) is they apparently have a drug cocktail that helps with high-g effects.

They actually have different color coding for the pages of the script depending on the level of gravity in the scene.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002



Grimey Drawer

Cingulate posted:

I'd say "The Expanse's realistic space battles are actually very tense and enjoyable", but you actually admit to liking Star Wars

The Donnager battle in Expanse is very interesting in a similar way as Balance of Power/Wrath of Khan are.

I will admit the space battles are a highlight of the show, but it still feels like a chore watching them. I do like how they handle depressurization, although it seems like they spend a lot of time shooting at non-critical parts of the ships in hopes of hitting something important. You'd think targeting systems could have advanced to the point where they'd just shoot out half the booster jets and let the enemy ship spin helplessly in circles like an one-armed guy in a canoe.

Don't get me wrong, I liked The Expanse and I wish it was continuing, even if I haven't gotten around to watching any of this season's episodes on my DVR. I'm not surprised it's going away though.

drunken officeparty posted:

I've never seen The Expanse, and if they try for ~~realism~~ but the characters have gravity and aren't just floating around and peeing in spacecondoms I never will.

They spend a lot of time dealing with gravity or the lack thereof.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.

Krispy Wafer posted:

You'd think targeting systems could have advanced to the point where they'd just shoot out half the booster jets

But what about when...

quote:

even if I haven't gotten around to watching any of this season's episodes on my DVR.


Oh.

Sydney Bottocks
Oct 15, 2004

Eh.


The Expanse and The Orville are both good shows that scratch completely different sci-fi itches for me, and I'm sad the former is ending and happy that the latter is returning. Well, those are my scorchingly hot takes, thanks for listening.

A.I. Borgland Corp
Mar 4, 2017

Resistance is futile, Tim


bull3964 posted:

They don't have gravity. Space stations have spin and they even show different effects depending on how far from the center you are.

Ships only have 'gravity' while under thrust. Otherwise, they are only walking around by using magnetic boots. Ships are explicitly designed as a tower so that the floors are perpendicular to the axis of thrust.

About the only scifi contrivance they have with respect to gravity (outside of what the proto-molecule can do) is they apparently have a drug cocktail that helps with high-g effects.

They actually have different color coding for the pages of the script depending on the level of gravity in the scene.

That sounds expensive! No wonder it was cancelled

Hipster_Doofus
Dec 20, 2003

Lovin' every minute of it.

Faithfulness to the books be damned. I am glad to hear they're going to try ending it properly, because I haven't watched it yet and a non-ending would discourage me from getting around to it.

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!


I found it really hard to watch the expanse because I had to super strain to understand what the characters were saying and subtitles on Netflix are poo poo and enormous.
I'm not sure what it is about them - but there's a person in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix who is watching over Harry at the start of the film and her voice has the same effect on me. No matter how loud it is I've got to try so hard that I just can't be bothered with it.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

Cephalopod Underground




Taear posted:

I found it really hard to watch the expanse because I had to super strain to understand what the characters were saying and subtitles on Netflix are poo poo and enormous.
I'm not sure what it is about them - but there's a person in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix who is watching over Harry at the start of the film and her voice has the same effect on me. No matter how loud it is I've got to try so hard that I just can't be bothered with it.

That was Laurel

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

just so it's clear

Cingulate posted:

I'd say "The Expanse's realistic space battles are actually very tense and enjoyable", but you actually admit to liking Star Wars

"Punch it BB-8!" beats "surprise rear end in a top hat" every time.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008



Ham Wrangler

The Bloop posted:

That was Laurel

Or possibly Yanny.

Whalley
Mar 5, 2004

neato devito


Taear posted:

I found it really hard to watch the expanse because I had to super strain to understand what the characters were saying and subtitles on Netflix are poo poo and enormous.
The show has awful sound mastering and no understanding of the importance of establishing shots; I've read the first two books and still got lost trying to follow what was going on.

It's a great show if you care about the general idea of being someone who people refer to as "really smart" or if you get mad bone ons for Accuracy over Storytelling but it isn't really good if you like entertainment designed to entertain or tell stories.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

Cephalopod Underground




I liked the expanse and I don't care what you think about it or about me

I enjoyed it

3 DONG HORSE
May 21, 2008

I'd like to thank Satan for everything he's done for this organization


I hope Ed and Kelly are back together again when the show comes back. Probably the best written couple on television.

e: I'm only sort of trolling. I think there's potential for something really good there.

3 DONG HORSE fucked around with this message at May 18, 2018 around 05:16

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012



Whalley posted:

The show has awful sound mastering and no understanding of the importance of establishing shots; I've read the first two books and still got lost trying to follow what was going on.

It's a great show if you care about the general idea of being someone who people refer to as "really smart" or if you get mad bone ons for Accuracy over Storytelling but it isn't really good if you like entertainment designed to entertain or tell stories.
I think it's very entertaining, past the first few episodes.

I agree it's confusingly filmed at times.


Sydney Bottocks posted:

The Expanse and The Orville are both good shows that scratch completely different sci-fi itches for me, and I'm sad the former is ending and happy that the latter is returning. Well, those are my scorchingly hot takes, thanks for listening.
Yes, the two are very complimentary.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012



It's infinitely better when a show ends on it's own terms with a written and planned ending. Otherwise it just up and ends after a cliffhanger. Or they pull a castle and end with a cliffhanger followed by a thirty second clip of the main couple surrounded by their children.

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counterfeitsaint
Feb 26, 2010

I'm a girl, and you're
gnomes, and it's like
what? Yikes.

The Expanse is really good and has a bunch of really strong actors in it. It's a drat shame that none of them happen to be the lead though.

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