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I can't see whatever this is If it's good, can someone cap it please
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Aug 13, 2022 02:40
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The Bloop posted:I can't see whatever this is Costume fitting for Striper Isaac.
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Aug 13, 2022 02:43
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I wish they went with Freddie Mercury Bortus instead of Elvis Bortus. It would've given us the return of the mustache, even Gordon would have gotten behind that bachelor party.
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Aug 13, 2022 03:04
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Not gonna lie, after they killed off Charly, I fully expected her position to be occupied by another blonde lesbian woman with the same 4th dimensional magic eyes but only slightly older.
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Aug 13, 2022 04:10
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Rewatching starting from season 1 and I'm a little surprised we didn't get an admiral yelling at Ed and Kelly during "About a Girl." Guess they really wanted the Alara/Bortus boxing match.
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Aug 13, 2022 05:53
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ApeHawk posted:Not gonna lie, after they killed off Charly, I fully expected her position to be occupied by another blonde lesbian woman with the same 4th dimensional magic eyes but only slightly older. Kinda disappointed they didn't do this now.
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Aug 13, 2022 14:02
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uXs posted:I thought she was fine as an actress? She always seemed off to me, too, and after watching Strange New Worlds I think it's that she's not a good enough actress not to seem like she's just a regular modern-day woman somehow transplanted onto a starship. The white-haired doctor on SNW has a bit of this too -- like she could potentially be selling me my prescriptions at CVS -- but she's a better actor and just otherworldly enough for it not to be distracting. I think this is a bit of the issue with J Lee, too -- in a TV show with spaceships and aliens, he just comes off as some dude you might bump into at the gym or something. ApeHawk posted:Not gonna lie, after they killed off Charly, I fully expected her position to be occupied by another blonde lesbian woman with the same 4th dimensional magic eyes but only slightly older. loving lol
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Aug 13, 2022 16:23
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Phenotype posted:She always seemed off to me, too, and after watching Strange New Worlds I think it's that she's not a good enough actress not to seem like she's just a regular modern-day woman somehow transplanted onto a starship. The white-haired doctor on SNW has a bit of this too -- like she could potentially be selling me my prescriptions at CVS -- but she's a better actor and just otherworldly enough for it not to be distracting. That’s like his whole thing. Majority of the first season he intentionally just comes off as a gym bro type guy and turns out he’s one of the smartest guys on the ship. Luckily great leadership brings out the best in him but his whole personality is just a chill gym bro. You can be smart as poo poo as say small words just like some dumb guy who doesn’t know three squared can say big words when he speaks.
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Aug 13, 2022 16:53
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Anita Dickinme posted:That’s like his whole thing. Majority of the first season he intentionally just comes off as a gym bro type guy and turns out he’s one of the smartest guys on the ship. Luckily great leadership brings out the best in him but his whole personality is just a chill gym bro. You can be smart as poo poo as say small words just like some dumb guy who doesn’t know three squared can say big words when he speaks. Sure, but he comes off as a gym bro circa 2020, whereas I'd expect gym bros in the future to have different mannerisms and culture and whatnot. I actually don't think he's that bad in the first place, though.
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Aug 13, 2022 17:02
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What annoyed me about Charly is that it never actually felt like they really utilized her "4D thinking". It was a lot of tell, don't show.
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Aug 13, 2022 17:06
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rewatching If The Stars Should Appear and the guy that plays Hamelac might be one of the best guest stars they've had. What a loving lazy ending though oh welp we just disproved a religious autocracy's entire theory of power, time for lunch surely this will have no destabilizing fallout Hell if S4 doesn't work out I'd watch a prestige drama spinoff just covering the next week of that society's future shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Aug 13, 2022 17:09
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shame on an IGA posted:rewatching If The Stars Should Appear and the guy that plays Hamelac might be one of the best guest stars they've had. You missed Mercer's lines at the end - They're not bailing, the Union's going to come in with a proper dedicated team to assist them in learning to manage their own colony ship. You can infer there'll be some assistance in helping adjust socially, etc, in all that too.
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Aug 13, 2022 17:22
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The Union psychology team already has pamphlets titled "So you just learned everything you knew was a lie" because this poo poo happens like twice a year.
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Aug 13, 2022 18:27
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Hi we're going to teach you about your giant space turtle and how not to worship Liam Neeson
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Aug 13, 2022 18:36
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I'd love to catch up with the space turtle people. They were out there for 2,000 years, it would be neat to see what the people back on their home world were up to in that time, and it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume they would be a proper FTL species now wondering what to do with this lost colony now found.
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Aug 13, 2022 19:35
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Been re-watching the show with my wife who's giving it a chance now. We're finally on season 3 and I really want to catch up because I haven't seen the last 2 episodes!! On the re-watch I've noticed my memory of how different the tone is between seasons seems to have been exaggerated. Season 1 actually felt mostly fine, the main thing that always took me out of scenes were the constant jokes and references that only someone from early 21st century earth would understand. But they never go away, they just diminish slightly in later seasons. I love the humour that flows naturally from the characters, I wish they had focused on that rather than constantly writing the characters as if they were time travelers from current year.
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Aug 13, 2022 19:53
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One thing I noticed in the early seasons is how the CG model of the ship looks an old school physical model, the newest season you can actually see modeled interiors with people in them behind the windows and stuff
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Aug 13, 2022 20:59
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Are you sure it was the CG model you were looking at and not just the old school physical model they shot scenes with? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCJnR3dIATA
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Aug 13, 2022 21:17
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Neddy Seagoon posted:You missed Mercer's lines at the end - They're not bailing, the Union's going to come in with a proper dedicated team to assist them in learning to manage their own colony ship. You can infer there'll be some assistance in helping adjust socially, etc, in all that too. And helping out an immature civilization that's at a ~20th century level by suddenly handing them lots of sci-fi tech from space never EVER goes wrong. 
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Aug 13, 2022 21:17
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Powered Descent posted:And helping out an immature civilization that's at a ~20th century level by suddenly handing them lots of sci-fi tech from space never EVER goes wrong. What do you suggest instead? Evicting them from their ship?
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Aug 13, 2022 21:24
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This is one of those ways i like the the orville handles contact compared to star trek. Yeah they had a horrible experience that made them never want to try artificially lifting up planets again, but at the same time they aren't going to go "welp you're in practical terms not a space fairing race, so the prime directive says we're going to have to let you crash into that star and get exterminated so we don't disrupt your natural progression. Its for the greater good". Star Trek took it to weird extremes that went too far. Its one thing to come down like gods and try to artificially engineer their development, and another to let them sit back and die because the universe wills it or something.
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Aug 13, 2022 21:31
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Tom Guycot posted:Star Trek took it to weird extremes that went too far. Its one thing to come down like gods and try to artificially engineer their development, and another to let them sit back and die because the universe wills it or something. Is the Prime Directive really that strict? Even if their planet is about to crash into a star or something, they're not allowed to interfere?
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Aug 13, 2022 22:33
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I'm pretty sure the Federation is cool with diverting comets and asteroids and whatnot as long as the planet's inhabitants don't know anything about it, we just never see that scenario play out because it would make for a boring episode of Star Trek. "Ensign, move the asteroid with the tractor beam" "Done, sir" "Good job everyone"
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Aug 13, 2022 22:41
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WampaLord posted:I'm pretty sure the Federation is cool with diverting comets and asteroids and whatnot as long as the planet's inhabitants don't know anything about it, we just never see that scenario play out because it would make for a boring episode of Star Trek. This is an episode of strange new worlds
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Aug 13, 2022 22:56
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Phenotype posted:Is the Prime Directive really that strict? Even if their planet is about to crash into a star or something, they're not allowed to interfere? Depends on who wrote that week's episode tbf
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Aug 13, 2022 23:12
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Yeah there was an episode of early tng that was all about someone from a pre spaceflight culture asking for help and if it was germaine with the prime detective to actually intervene.
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Aug 14, 2022 00:01
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WampaLord posted:I'm pretty sure the Federation is cool with diverting comets and asteroids and whatnot as long as the planet's inhabitants don't know anything about it, we just never see that scenario play out because it would make for a boring episode of Star Trek. Wasn't that literally a thing the Orville did? I remember that they said that they just slightly nudged the trajectory to prevent an asteroid from hitting some planet in a few months or years.
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Aug 14, 2022 00:38
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Penny Johnson didn't die on the planet Picard passively genocided in season 7 and boy was he pissed
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Aug 14, 2022 00:42
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The Bloop posted:What do you suggest instead? Evicting them from their ship? No idea. Just pointing out that they did pretty much exactly the same thing on the world-ship that a couple of seasons later they would make very clear is a terrible, dangerous thing to do.
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Aug 14, 2022 00:48
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Powered Descent posted:No idea. Just pointing out that they did pretty much exactly the same thing on the world-ship that a couple of seasons later they would make very clear is a terrible, dangerous thing to do. The difference is that the twitter planet still has an excellent chance to get their act together on their own terms, while the ship of the damned does not. The ship people will definitely all die if no one helps them, because they don't know how to ship anymore. Yeah, it's a blurry line. poo poo's complicated.
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Aug 14, 2022 00:56
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Phenotype posted:Is the Prime Directive really that strict? Even if their planet is about to crash into a star or something, they're not allowed to interfere? Off the top of my head i remember the disaster where they were calling from help and angry at Data for responding and then having to help, the one with worf's brother saving people from extinction which pissed picard off royally, and the one where phlox lets them go extinct because its the way nature intended.
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Aug 14, 2022 01:49
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Facebook Aunt posted:The difference is that the twitter planet still has an excellent chance to get their act together on their own terms, while the ship of the damned does not. The ship people will definitely all die if no one helps them, because they don't know how to ship anymore. Also the bio ship was a ship, not a planet. How many people were on that thing? I'm sure less than the civilization of an entire planet. Maybe the Union has a population threshold before a group counts as a "civilization".
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Aug 14, 2022 04:18
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cant cook creole bream posted:Wasn't that literally a thing the Orville did? I remember that they said that they just slightly nudged the trajectory to prevent an asteroid from hitting some planet in a few months or years. Literally just watched this episode today and yep, just cut an asteroid in half then pushed the pieces away with their tractor beam and continued on with the actual episode's plot. I was kind of wondering if it was a shot at one of TNG's episodes or something.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:31
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Rutibex posted:Also the bio ship was a ship, not a planet. How many people were on that thing? I'm sure less than the civilization of an entire planet. It's already their ship, and it'd be pretty vile to just decide "you're not worthy of this ship, we're putting you on a planet because you're not 'ready' for it because we say so". Training them in using their ship really is the sensible option.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:34
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I'm just trying to work out how the message is supposed to inform our modern day ethics and it sounds suspiciously like "Well yes we could provide Africa with antiviral HIV meds, but" Capitalism at least provides a frame of reference of "We need access to your raw resources, in exchange we will provide advanced goods" to explain how contact between civilisations at different levels of development could interact in a mutually beneficial way. There's a lot to critique in the theory and practise of it, but it's there to critique. Once The Orville/Star Trek posits 'we're a post scarcity society motherfuckers, there is nothing you can possibly offer us that we care about' then it's trying to craft an anti-imperialism message in a context where all the incentives to engage in a bit of imperialism have been swept away. We are left with a perplexing and inconsisted 'you must suffer in some ways, but not in others, because it amuses us to watch you grow'. e: hell, a reasonable socialist perspective would say that societal change follows changes in the means of production, it can't preceed them, so from that angle it's also good to interfere. e2: it's also just the case that no society ever has been prepared for the proliferation of disruptive technologies. But that's why they are disruptive. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 14, 2022 |
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Aug 14, 2022 13:38
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Alchenar posted:I'm just trying to work out how the message is supposed to inform our modern day ethics and it sounds suspiciously like "Well yes we could provide Africa with antiviral HIV meds, but" Well, I would say quote:Capitalism at least provides a frame of reference of "We need access to your raw resources, in exchange we will provide advanced goods" to explain how contact between civilisations at different levels of development could interact in a mutually beneficial way. Unless you're willing to overthrow their governments and power structures by force, you'll by necessity have to go through their corrupt rulers and owners with your advanced help, and they'll just use it for further exploitation. Now you could certainly make a case for overthrowing them all, I mean plenty here would love our government and powerful people overthrown by a benevolent outside force, but many would be whipped into a propaganda frenzy by those in power that this is the evil alien invasion because losing their status is worse than death. The wealthy and powerful already live in a post scarcity world for them, they have nothing to gain by magic communist aliens coming down from the stars. I mean if you went back in time 150 years to offer advanced medicine, modern crop growing technology, electronics and whatever else to the people, you'd either have to operate by the laws and governments in place (and the owners would just come up with whatever new laws let them maintain control), or go around them, at which point they would brand you as criminal, dangerous, and stop you from giving it out. Maybe this means sending out police forces to round up and harass people who get your medicine, send in armies to wherever you're dishing out these goods, killing your agents trying to help, or more. You'd be left having to physically go to war against the rulers and owners of the society just so you could continue helping the people, or you just work with the owners and rulers and end up strengthening their rule and exploitation as you play by their rules. I actually think it would be interesting and refreshingly unique to see the orville society as one that actively would overthrow primitive governments to help the people, but unfortunately its fairly easy at least with humans to use manipulation to make them hostile to their own best interests and you wouldn't just be fighting the rulers and their police forces, you'd be fighting the populace whipped up into nationalistic type frenzy against you as an invading force. I mean if aliens came down to equalize our world with magic replicators and tech, every news channel, paper, algorithm controller social media post, etc, would be laser focused on how evil and dangerous the aliens are and we must fight them as they try to invade our planet and kill us all with 5g nano injections of gay aids.
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well I hope the people here all gungo for doing whatever it takes to uplift primitives were at least consistent and supported the old-Borg.
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I don't have a machine that let's me look at parallel realities but I bet if I did then the SA Orville thread in the universe 15 degrees to the zorth of here where the Twitter planet episode ended with the Orville firing torpedoes at the central voting server, dropping into the sky over the city, and announcing the pending humanitarian invasion to reorganize their global society would probably not be a bunch leftist posting about how it was clearly and objectively the right thing to do.
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8one6 posted:I don't have a machine that let's me look at parallel realities but I bet if I did then the SA Orville thread in the universe 15 degrees to the zorth of here where the Twitter planet episode ended with the Orville firing torpedoes at the central voting server, dropping into the sky over the city, and announcing the pending humanitarian invasion to reorganize their global society would probably not be a bunch leftist posting about how it was clearly and objectively the right thing to do. no obviously that would be the wrong approach. they would need to introduce themselves as representatives of the galactic voting council, and project a hologram with the planets galactic Twitter Score into the sky. then tell them how to improve their score  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQqzflaGwSs Rutibex fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Aug 15, 2022 |
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