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feedmyleg posted:Brb gonna go watch Tales of the Gold Monkey again. Where's the movie reboot of Crimson Skies, Hollywood? 
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Ruflux posted:I sincerely hope they don't undercut their own storytelling by pulling something like this. They've been working hard to establish Della as Scrooge's favorite, but also built her up in the comics to make her flaws more interesting. If they then pull a "actually she didn't do anything wrong" card it'll feel incredibly weak and basically entirely negate her character flaws. It'd also undercut Scrooge's arc - he's been built up as being stubborn yet having a lot of guilt over Della, while still not wanting to face the fact that Donald was right and he should've never built the drat rocket in the first place. If it turns out Della had some really deep purpose for taking the rocket before it was ready, then it'll just mean Scrooge was absolutely justified in the end, and his apparent favoritism of Della had absolutely no negative effect. Even if they don't do this, they're already kind of under-cutting Scrooge a bit since they've already made it clear that he personally didn't do anything wrong with Della. Yea, he built her a spaceship in private but how the gently caress was he to know that she was going to steal it shortly before her kids were about to be hatched? Building someone the thing of their dreams is still a nice gesture and it's not like she was only a mother or would always be tending babies and only defined by that the rest of her life or anything. The triplets accuse him of not trying to bring her back or find her, but his flashbacks make it clear that he nearly drove himself to destitution despite his wealth trying to find her using a private space program and had to be forced in to abandoning the project and that communication was lost so he couldn't try and talk her back even if she was open to it (which there's no reason to assume she would be). Yea, Scrooge is being stubborn and stoic about his feelings instead of explaining them and that's clearly a fault but the ending clears him of any real culpability in Della's disappearance and almost paints the kids as kind of poo poo for accusing him of setting up and then abandoning their mother. Some Numbers posted:They've mentioned Cape Suzette and literally had Don Karnage on screen. They also brought back Darkwing Duck. Haven't they also mentioned they have more plans for Darkwing Duck?
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tsob posted:Even if they don't do this, they're already kind of under-cutting Scrooge a bit since they've already made it clear that he personally didn't do anything wrong with Della. Yea, he built her a spaceship in private but how the gently caress was he to know that she was going to steal it shortly before her kids were about to be hatched? Building someone the thing of their dreams is still a nice gesture and it's not like she was only a mother or would always be tending babies and only defined by that the rest of her life or anything. The triplets accuse him of not trying to bring her back or find her, but his flashbacks make it clear that he nearly drove himself to destitution despite his wealth trying to find her using a private space program and had to be forced in to abandoning the project and that communication was lost so he couldn't try and talk her back even if she was open to it (which there's no reason to assume she would be). Yea, Scrooge is being stubborn and stoic about his feelings instead of explaining them and that's clearly a fault but the ending clears him of any real culpability in Della's disappearance and almost paints the kids as kind of poo poo for accusing him of setting up and then abandoning their mother. still no excuse for what he said to Webby
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Aug 15, 2018 17:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:still no excuse for what he said to Webby Oh, I agree; though since that's mentioned, I don't like that her expression is already set when the camera focuses on her and doesn't change in reaction to what he says but is already upset looking. I'd have preferred a more dynamic expression, since that was probably the biggest crossed line moment in the episode and clearly showed Scrooge being a stubborn old git letting his anger and guilt control him and reacting almost childishly to what the kids were saying. Which wouldn't be such an issue if there weren't moments like Scrooge's face twisting through several emotions right at the end. Scrooge is definitely in the wrong about how he reacts to the kids finding out about Della; I just don't see how he's actually in the wrong about anything to do with Della's disappearance itself. tsob fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 17:54
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tsob posted:Oh, I agree; though since that's mentioned, I don't like that her expression is already set when the camera focuses on her and doesn't change in reaction to what he says but is already upset looking. I'd have preferred a more dynamic expression, since that was probably the biggest crossed line moment in the episode and clearly showed him being a stubborn shitheel letting his anger and guilt control him. Which wouldn't be such an issue if there weren't moments like Scrooge's face twisting through several emotions right at the end. Scrooge is definitely in the wrong about how he reacts to the kids finding out about Della; I just don't see how he's wrong in Della's disappearance itself. Oh, yup. It's a classic family dynamic : Scrooge isn't actually at fault but the family sees it as his responsibility anyway; he can't apologize or explain because he can't admit failure; everyone's reacting emotionally in the moment rather than thinking. SO MANY FEELS
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Aug 15, 2018 17:56
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tsob posted:Even if they don't do this, they're already kind of under-cutting Scrooge a bit since they've already made it clear that he personally didn't do anything wrong with Della. Yea, he built her a spaceship in private but how the gently caress was he to know that she was going to steal it shortly before her kids were about to be hatched? Building someone the thing of their dreams is still a nice gesture and it's not like she was only a mother or would always be tending babies and only defined by that the rest of her life or anything. The triplets accuse him of not trying to bring her back or find her, but his flashbacks make it clear that he nearly drove himself to destitution despite his wealth trying to find her using a private space program and had to be forced in to abandoning the project and that communication was lost so he couldn't try and talk her back even if she was open to it (which there's no reason to assume she would be). Yea, Scrooge is being stubborn and stoic about his feelings instead of explaining them and that's clearly a fault but the ending clears him of any real culpability in Della's disappearance and almost paints the kids as kind of poo poo for accusing him of setting up and then abandoning their mother. Scrooge also talked Della through the mission instead of aborting it immediately. He thought he could keep her safe, but he was wrong. His big lesson in the episode is that he thought the same thing about the triplets, and he was still wrong. The family blamed him for more than his fair share of fault, but he was still partly at fault.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:10
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Scrooge also talked Della through the mission instead of aborting it immediately. The way Scrooge talks about Della, there wasn't a hope she was going to come back regardless of what he said so what exactly was he supposed to do? Just walk away and let her fly it on her own? You say he should have aborted the mission, but it's not like there's going to be some button he can press that'll over-ride her control of the Spear and then turn it around and fly it back against her wishes.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:17
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tsob posted:The way Scrooge talks about Della, there wasn't a hope she was going to come back regardless of what he said so what exactly was he supposed to do? Just walk away and let her fly it on her own? You say he should have aborted the mission, but it's not like there's going to be some button he can press that'll over-ride her control of the Spear and then turn it around and fly it back against her wishes. Why wouldn't there be? Actual space programs have those buttons in case something happens to the astronauts.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:18
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Why wouldn't there be? Actual space programs have those buttons in case something happens to the astronauts. Possibly because it was still unfinished, or maybe Della hotwired it.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:21
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Why wouldn't there be? Actual space programs have those buttons in case something happens to the astronauts. They have a single button any idiot can press that will override manual control of the shuttle and fly it back on auto-pilot; which the astronauts have no way of affecting themselves? Or are you suggesting that Scrooge was as well versed in controlling a space shuttle and flight as Della despite her being the pilot of the team and that Scrooge could fly a shuttle back against her wishes and that there would be nothing she could do to stop it or override his override?
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Aug 15, 2018 18:32
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tsob posted:They have a single button any idiot can press that will override manual control of the shuttle and fly it back on auto-pilot; which the astronauts have no way of affecting themselves? Or are you suggesting that Scrooge was as well versed in controlling a space shuttle and flight as Della despite her being the pilot of the team and that Scrooge could fly a shuttle back against her wishes and that there would be nothing she could do to stop it or override his override? I think we're overthinking things at this point. We have it from Scrooge himself that he thought Della could complete the mission and he made no effort to talk her down or fiddle with any ground controls to bring her back. It was only when he lost contact that he realized Della might not be able to pull this off after all, and all his efforts to fix his mistake failed. Scrooge enabled Della to risk her life and he made no effort to stop her until it was too late. That's his share of the blame in this case.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:46
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I think we're overthinking things at this point. We have it from Scrooge himself that he thought Della could complete the mission and he made no effort to talk her down or fiddle with any ground controls to bring her back. It was only when he lost contact that he realized Della might not be able to pull this off after all, and all his efforts to fix his mistake failed. Scrooge enabled Della to risk her life and he made no effort to stop her until it was too late. That's his share of the blame in this case. I get that the show wants to present his actions around Della as an analogue to how he treats the triplets/Webby, but at the same time Scrooge himself says that she is (or possibly was) a risk taker and presents her as head strong and unlikely to listen to anyone else so the implication he was the one responsible for her death/disappearance simply because he talked her through the mission just seems an extension of his own guilt and not any kind of real effect because the way the show builds up Della doesn't present her as someone who'd ever have turned back regardless. The show's actual depiction is at odds with it's intention I suppose, at least to me.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:59
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Realized I crossed my cartoon threads...
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Aug 15, 2018 20:19
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Wheat Loaf posted:Where's the movie reboot of Crimson Skies, Hollywood? Any chance of that died when Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow failed big time.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:24
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Oh, I was googling a bit and realized Fantagraphics is issuing a hardback reprint of "The Complete Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck" early next year, and it's available now for preorder: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1683961749/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Was apparently used as the "continuity bible" for the current show.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:26
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Aw man, I just ordered Lost in the Andes. Well, I also just got paid. Looks like I'm getting more presents from myself in the future!Gann Jerrod posted:Any chance of that died when Sky Captain and the World of Tommorow failed big time. Um have you read the Sky Captain novelization because I think you'll find that
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Aug 15, 2018 20:26
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This is a good show
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Aug 15, 2018 20:27
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ikanreed posted:This is a good show  I actually have like 5 episodes I still need to watch. But this show was everything I was hoping for and more. Outside of Donald being sidelined.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:29
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tsob posted:Oh, I agree; though since that's mentioned, I don't like that her expression is already set when the camera focuses on her and doesn't change in reaction to what he says but is already upset looking. I'd have preferred a more dynamic expression, since that was probably the biggest crossed line moment in the episode and clearly showed Scrooge being a stubborn old git letting his anger and guilt control him and reacting almost childishly to what the kids were saying. Which wouldn't be such an issue if there weren't moments like Scrooge's face twisting through several emotions right at the end. Scrooge is definitely in the wrong about how he reacts to the kids finding out about Della; I just don't see how he's actually in the wrong about anything to do with Della's disappearance itself. The gist of the sentence is implied by, "this is a family matter" and I think they were correct to not cut into the preceding shot for a reaction.
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Aug 16, 2018 00:45
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I watched the Pilot again, and one of the first things Donald says to Scrooge is utterly heartbreaking after the latest episode: "Mrs. B. said that you would watch the boys! Can you do that without losing them?!"
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Aug 17, 2018 04:08
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Senerio posted:I watched the Pilot again, and one of the first things Donald says to Scrooge is utterly heartbreaking after the latest episode: I thought he said "without using them." That's way way worse.
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Aug 17, 2018 04:29
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Some Numbers posted:I thought he said "without using them." That's way way worse. Same. Also, with captions on I could make out the last word of, "no tricks, no, lies, no trouble." Seems like a cruel thing to say to Scrooge in retrospect.
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Aug 17, 2018 05:26
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Well, I mean, Scrooge is responsible for essentially leaving him without a sister and the responsibility of caring for her kids, when he is barely capable of being an adult as is. There might be some resentment there.
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Aug 17, 2018 05:50
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When will they go to Unsteadystan?
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Aug 17, 2018 06:40
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Also, I rewatched the first part of the pilot and Mrs. Beakly said Scrooge avoided his family for 10 years. So the triplets are 10.
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Aug 17, 2018 06:49
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Oh update on the finale name: The two parts are collectively The Shadow War, but the first part is The Night of De Spell, and the second part is The Day of the Duck according to Google.
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Aug 17, 2018 15:48
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This show seems to be written by people who revere the idea of adventure, but have absolutely no idea how to write or structure one. An adventure is that which is unexpected and undesired, and must be undergone to reach some goal. The show on the other hand features ducks who talk about adventures, how they want to go on adventures, how much their lives involve adventure, what great adventures have happened in the past, and what kind of adventure they’re having right now – and consequently never experience a real adventure, because that would imply a departure from normality. The episode where they go to Atlantis makes for a great example because it can be directly compared with a story by Carl Barks, The Secret of Atlantis. This particular story also has the advantage in that it’s an ideal illustration of the relationship between the normal and the abnormal in Duckburg. The first half of the story sets up why the ducks go to Atlantis, but has nothing to do with Atlantis, and is instead set squarely in reality. It’s a cartoon reality of talking animals, pie fights, and giant money bins, admittedly, but is also completely mundane in a way. It revolves around coin collecting, which one of the most banal things imaginable, and opens with a scene of accounting, which probably is the most banal thing imaginable. The story escalates through cartoon logic – Scrooge McDuck dumping all 1916 quarter coins into the sea save for one to artificially create a collector’s item – and enters the realm of comic fantasy when it gets into Atlantis. There’s a lot of things you can say about the Atlantis sequence, because despite being very silly, there are nuances to it. You can note the satirical dimension in how even at the bottom of the sea you can’t escape American mass culture. And you can note that Barks valorised exploration, but was evidently aware of the human costs of all those great discoveries, which is why there’s a note of seriousness that underlines a light-hearted story.  Or you might notice that this is one of those times when homo sapiens slip into a Duck comic, since Atlanteans were unambiguously humans before evolving gills, and not those weird dog-people that usually populate the place. But what’s important for our purpose is that it’s as story about discovery that has its webbed feet planted firmly in its strange version of reality, best illustrated when Donald Duck is amazed by the sights of Atlantis while Scrooge couldn’t care less because he’s after his 1916 quarters.  The idea that Atlantis and mermen exist is enough to drive the sequence, and there’s minimal complications to this. Barks spends time explaining the origin of Atlantis and its inhabitants because those things are interesting on their own. There’s also a good moral, as the ducks’ escape hinges on Huey, Dewey, and Louie wanting to learn about history and culture, unlike the opportunistic adults.  And there’s weight to the ducks escaping. First because in this comic actions can have momentous consequences, like a fantastical civilization collapsing because of colonialism. Secondly, because they’re escaping into normality – a world where people live in an everyday society, where they have jobs and fiscal responsibilities, where children go to school and spend time as Boy Scouts. That probably doesn’t sound impressive, at least if you haven’t seen Jeff Smith use it as the foundations of a whole fantasy epic. It’s the kind of reality that Ducktales (2017) seems to abhor and does it best to escape. The fact that monstrous mer-ducks exist is just a sight gag, when it seems like something Barks would have spent a whole story on. The show’s reality is so over-the-top that contrast between the everyday and the adventurous becomes impossible. One might make the argument that the show is trying to be faithful to the old cartoon rather than the comics, but from what little I recall, the original Ducktales didn’t have this problem either. It had a more conventional sense of “reality” and adventure, more in line with the comics. It’s simply strange to see the creators pay homage to Barks but also be hell-bent on not learning anything from him.  And by God, what have they done to Don Rosa's work  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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What the hell just happened
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Some Numbers posted:What the hell just happened I don't know. Someone with a odd view of the word "adventure" going on a rant about how this show does not match it or something. BravestOfTheLamps posted:This show seems to be written by people who revere the idea of adventure, but have absolutely no idea how to write or structure one. An adventure is that which is unexpected and undesired, and must be undergone to reach some goal. The show on the other hand features ducks who talk about adventures, how they want to go on adventures, how much their lives involve adventure, what great adventures have happened in the past, and what kind of adventure they’re having right now – and consequently never experience a real adventure, because that would imply a departure from normality. Uhh no This is the defintion of adventure "an unusual and exciting, typically hazardous, experience or activity." It does not have to be unexpected or undesired. Or else adventurer would not also be a term. Nor does it have to be in search of a goal. (However in Ducktales it generally is. As Scrooge is normally after treasure.) MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Aug 17, 2018 19:18
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Thats Bravest of the Lamps. Dont talk to them.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:25
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Some Numbers posted:What the hell just happened Gas leak. Update your ignore list.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:26
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This is what happened:quote:Type Date Horrible Jerk Punishment Reason Requested By Approved By
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Aug 17, 2018 19:26
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The dude who thinks he's better than everyone because he doesn't like fan art is trying to outsmart the children's show. Have some behind the scenes escapades: https://twitter.com/SamanthaCKing/status/1028370977841807360    
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Aug 17, 2018 19:30
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Emotions running high over claim that Ducktales doesn't live up to Carl Barks's work.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:33
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Hihohe posted:Thats Bravest of the Lamps. Dont talk to them.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:41
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Who? e: this can be taken as a response to both the last 2 posts
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Aug 17, 2018 19:47
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It's the superhero alias of Fethry Duck.
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I guess Indiana Jones isn’t an adventurer because he goes to the jungles on purpose and isn’t thrown into them by surprise
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bbf2 posted:I guess Indiana Jones isn’t an adventurer because he goes to the jungles on purpose and isn’t thrown into them by surprise Indiana Jones is a lecturer who's dragged into various escapades. He doesn't want to navigate traps or fight Nazis, they're things he ends up having to do so that he can survive and save the day.
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