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Physical barriers between automobiles and pedestrians. The Charlottesville attack would likely have been much worse if the attacker hadn't been stopped by hitting cars he hadn't realized was there.
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Car Lives Matter.
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Main Paineframe posted:Physical barriers between automobiles and pedestrians. The Charlottesville attack would likely have been much worse if the attacker hadn't been stopped by hitting cars he hadn't realized was there. How do you gently caress that up?
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Starshark posted:How do you gently caress that up? There were a couple parked cars in the area where the crowd was, and there were enough people that the guy couldn't see the cars from where he was approaching. So when he tried to plow through the crowd, he only hit a couple dozen people before he unexpectedly slammed into the cars
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The central problem, or risk, to living in a free society is that it enables people around you to cause you harm.
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I'm not sure that freedom of society has much to do with its lethality or vice versa.
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I mean, making cities less car navigable will just make it more likely Americans travel to the cities less, the interstates start getting routed around the outskirts of the cities rather than through them, and the urban sprawl D&D also hates so much will just accelerate. So good job, you got rid of cars from the cities, and also made the cities ghost towns.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, making cities less car navigable will just make it more likely Americans travel to the cities less, the interstates start getting routed around the outskirts of the cities rather than through them, and the urban sprawl D&D also hates so much will just accelerate.  public transport
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Wait since when is major roads running directly through cities a good thing and not a traffic nightmare?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:
I mean, the people who are driving cars aren't going to suddenly stop driving them if you take away places for them to drive them, they'll leave to go to to places that will let them drive their cars. They find the act of driving the car itself desirable. Kerning Chameleon fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, the people who are driving cars aren't going to suddenly stop driving them if you take away places for them to drive them, they'll leave go to to places that will let them drive their cars. They find the act of driving the car itself desirable. Ah, yes, the desirable act of driving the car to work every day in traffic. Idling for hours, simmering in the heat when the air conditioning breaks down, immersing yourself in the sweet sweet smell of petrol, constantly having to be alert, otherwise you might miss a turn or get honked at by someone behind you. Oh, and let's not forget the half an hour to an hour spent looking for parking. That's just the best.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Ah, yes, the desirable act of driving the car to work every day in traffic. Idling for hours, simmering in the heat when the air conditioning breaks down, immersing yourself in the sweet sweet smell of petrol, constantly having to be alert, otherwise you might miss a turn or get honked at by someone behind you. Yes, actually, I find this far preferable to literally any public transport option you'd offer me. Telling me I can't drive my car in your city is just you telling me to stay in the suburbs all the time instead of just most of the time, not convincing me I should give up my Mercury Grand Marquis.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Yes, actually, I find this far preferable to literally any public transport option you'd offer me. Telling me I can't drive my car in your city is just you telling me to stay in the suburbs all the time instead of just most of the time, not convincing me I should give up my Mercury Grand Marquis. Then leave. Meanwhile the people living in the city will benefit from having more room for pedestrians and less congestion due to people taking alternate routes, using public transport, or biking. Albany, NY has an ongoing project of reducing the vehicular footprint of some main roads in favor of bike paths and pedestrian walkways, and population has been pretty steady. If you have any kind of evidence to suggest that congestion and car-use reduction policies turn cities into ghost towns, go ahead.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Then leave. Meanwhile the people living in the city will benefit from having more room for pedestrians and less congestion due to people taking alternate routes, using public transport, or biking. Albany, NY has an ongoing project of reducing the vehicular footprint of some main roads in favor of bike paths and pedestrian walkways, and population has been pretty steady. If you have any kind of evidence to suggest that congestion and car-use reduction policies turn cities into ghost towns, go ahead. Okay, sure, I'll stay in the suburbs and keep driving my car, and so will everyone else in the suburbs. Plenty of tourist spots with car access left for us to visit and spend money on. Thanks for further alienating non-urbanities, I guess.
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I know when London took all its measures to cut traffic congestion everybody left and nobody lives in London now and certainly doesn't use public transport.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Okay, sure, I'll stay in the suburbs and keep driving my car, and so will everyone else in the suburbs. Plenty of tourist spots with car access left for us to visit and spend money on. Thanks for further alienating non-urbanities, I guess. You're just going to come crawling back when whatever suburban jobplex you work in shuts down, or when gas prices go back up and suddenly you can't afford the car-driven lifestyle you've become accustomed to.  OwlFancier posted:I know when London took all its measures to cut traffic congestion everybody left and nobody lives in London now and certainly doesn't use public transport. London? Paris? Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded.
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28 days later was a documentary about what happened once they introduced rental bikes.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You're just going to come crawling back when whatever suburban jobplex you work in shuts down, or when gas prices go back up and suddenly you can't afford the car-driven lifestyle you've become accustomed to. Actually, we'll probably just vote for Trump and the Republicans, again. 
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Actually, we'll probably just vote for Trump and the Republicans, again. Again, [citation needed]. You're mistaking your own car fetish with actionable political data.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Again, [citation needed]. You're mistaking your own car fetish with actionable political data. I mean, I LIVE in a usually blue southern Illinois county that went Trump. The town I live in has a steel mill that's the lifeblood of the town whose union is continually pissed at Chinese dumping, and liked Trump's rhetoric. A town that continually votes down any attempts to expand the Metro-Link to it. I can't really give you much more than that.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, I LIVE in a usually blue southern Illinois county that went Trump. The town I live in has a steel mill that's the lifeblood of the town whose union is continually pissed at Chinese dumping, and liked Trump's rhetoric. A town that continually votes down any attempts to expand the Metro-Link to it. I can't really give you much more than that. And this is caused by anti-congestion legislation in cities how?
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, I LIVE in a usually blue southern Illinois county that went Trump. The town I live in has a steel mill that's the lifeblood of the town whose union is continually pissed at Chinese dumping, and liked Trump's rhetoric. A town that continually votes down any attempts to expand the Metro-Link to it. I can't really give you much more than that. Sorry about your terminally stupid neighbors I guess?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Ah, yes, the desirable act of driving the car to work every day in traffic. Idling for hours, simmering in the heat when the air conditioning breaks down, immersing yourself in the sweet sweet smell of petrol, constantly having to be alert, otherwise you might miss a turn or get honked at by someone behind you. maybe you should get your car fixed.
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Neo_Crimson posted:maybe you should get your car fixed. I don't have a car, and bus to work and back. Great time to catch up on some reading.
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Breed cars that are allergic to human blood and a strong instinct for self-preservation
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I mean, making cities less car navigable will just make it more likely Americans travel to the cities less, the interstates start getting routed around the outskirts of the cities rather than through them, and the urban sprawl D&D also hates so much will just accelerate. If making it more difficult to run over pedestrians means you'll avoid that place entirely, that's probably not the city's problem.
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Is this thread meant to be a joke? I didn't think that joke threads were allowed in D&D
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QuarkJets posted:Is this thread meant to be a joke? I didn't think that joke threads were allowed in D&D D&D... don't make it bad. Take a joke thread and make it serious.
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QuarkJets posted:Is this thread meant to be a joke? I didn't think that joke threads were allowed in D&D they are but they rarely last more than a few days
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A city will need a delivery system for goods and stuff, but one could go the route of Zermatt, Switzerland where this is done by small electric carts in the city centre. That way you can have logistical hubs outside. Other than that, I would like to see more separation of traffic and pedestrians either way, so better city planning is a net bonus. And yeah, lidar, as mentioned, is coming on new cars as well.
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If you bollard off all city centers that probably just means you'll have vans plowing into groups of people gathered outside city centers.
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Warbadger posted:If you bollard off all city centers that probably just means you'll have vans plowing into groups of people gathered outside city centers. I mean, only if the groups of people for some reason also can't get past the bollards. The idea is that you keep vehicles from crossing into pedestrian spaces, the pedestrians don't just go and hang around the cars for fun.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, only if the groups of people for some reason also can't get past the bollards. The idea is that you keep vehicles from crossing into pedestrian spaces, the pedestrians don't just go and hang around the cars for fun. Not all gatherings of people are in running distance of a city center. You'd need to fortify pretty much the entire urban, large amounts of suburban, and some rural area road systems. Schools, places of worship, public venues of all sorts, etc. in particular. It suffers from the same problem as any form of defense - the attacker has the opportunity to observe the protective measures in place and choose when and where to attack. If you did a great job and there aren't any obvious weaknesses then they also have the opportunity to devise a different method of attack, so all of the fortified roads are now security theatre in the face of the new bombing/arson/mass stabbing/drone bombing/whatever wave. Also, if driving in DC and NYC is any indication, plenty of pedestrians go hang out with the cars for fun (well, convenience). Warbadger fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Aug 20, 2017 |
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Make all cars like NASCAR they can only turn left and everyone walks on the right. If someone wants to hit people on the right they've gotta do some sick donuts to pull it off.
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Warbadger posted:Not all gatherings of people are in running distance of a city center. You'd need to fortify pretty much the entire urban, large amounts of suburban, and some rural area road systems. Schools, places of worship, public venues of all sorts, etc. in particular. Yes obviously it doesn't make it impossible for someone to find someone to run over, the point is that as a form of defence it is not obstructive and also benefits public safety in general by protecting pedestrians from accidental vehicular collision as well as intentional ones. And in the case of specifically targeted attacks such as the charlottesville one, it gives you the option of holding things that are likely to be targets of attack, behind barriers. That it does not render people perfectly immune from injury in all cases does not mean that it is not useful. Otherwise you should stop making murder illegal because obviously it doesn't stop people doing it so we should just stop trying.
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Kemper Boyd posted:I think the "get a van and run over people" trend is more about showing that the organizations that were previously able to do stuff like the London bombings, the Madrid bombing and the Charlie Hebdo attack are more or less losing the talent they need for those kinds of attacks, considering that the better planned attacks tend to end up with everyone involved in it dead. I think these are probably the last gasps of the terrorist regimes going for simple attacks of opportunity, if you look at the profiles of most of the "terrorists" in these attacks they're mainly lone wolf people with various mental illnesses who get told to run cars into people from some website. They're not even syrian refugees.
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ColoradoCleric posted:I think these are probably the last gasps of the terrorist regimes going for simple attacks of opportunity, if you look at the profiles of most of the "terrorists" in these attacks they're mainly lone wolf people with various mental illnesses who get told to run cars into people from some website. They're not even syrian refugees. Yeah I wonder if more truck attacks is a result of them needing more of the serious fighters with weapons expertise involved with the Syrian Civil War, what's going on in the Philippines, Iraq, etc
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Lightning Lord posted:Yeah I wonder if more truck attacks is a result of them needing more of the serious fighters with weapons expertise involved with the Syrian Civil War, what's going on in the Philippines, Iraq, etc
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