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Chic Trombone posted:that sure is a bad joke vote after jokephase's end It is a serious vote. But if it was a random/joke vote. The premise of your statement presumes that everyone is on the same page. The aforementioned "jokephase" You should take it to be a state of a players mind and not a state of the game as the game of mafia is highly volatile. I'm not sure I am willing to believe your post. It sounds like you wanted to say more or deleted something you were going to say or at least that is what the syntax suggests to me. Care to share or am I as wrong as the democrats who voted hillary?
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http://votefinder.org/game/millennials-are-killing#votecount 12 hours left, no wagon with more than 2 votes. Can we please do something? I would strongly prefer jfisk but will happily vote trombone too.
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Aug 28, 2017 16:33
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Jonathan Fisk posted:I didn't like Kasumeat's Mafia dadding and wanted to see how he'd respond to pressure This is also scummy as gently caress. I'm not saying you should give me town cred for what I did. It's NAI as it's equally common for both scum and town to mafia dad, setup spec, and other similar "just making it clear that we're all aware of this"stuff. But to actually push somebody for doing it comes from scum 90%of the time. Again, jfisk isn't trying to game solve. He's looking for an excuse to lunch people. He says he didn't like my response, but again, there's no explanation or reason here. He doesn't give one because there isn't one other than he's scum. My response was to clearly explain why his push on me is scum motivated.
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Aug 28, 2017 16:41
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I could definitely see the Trombone case, but she said she'd be around today. If she's a no-show on that, it makes her look a lot worse, and I'd be willing to drop a vote on her.
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(Sorry I haven't been paying much attention to this game, I'm in two at once for the first time in forever and it's taking some readjusting to.)
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I've been trying to make sense of the JFisk/kasumat votes on the previous page. Fisk claimed he was attempting to lay a honeypot for kasumat, which seemed to work, since in return, kasumat voted to lynch Fisk. Maybe they both are town, maybe Fisk is scum. FWIW, after kasumat voted to lynch Fisk, Vector-to immediately jumped in and voted for Fisk ("I'm feeling lazy. Explain"). After Hal said that Fisk is town, Vector backtracked a bit, and eventually unvoted Fisk. Does this mean that Vector is scum, and was trying to get on a town wagon early? Maybe not, but it was definitely a strange play.
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Aug 28, 2017 16:51
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I do wish you'd post more. New players always have an interesting and usually-helpful unique perspective on things, before they get corrupted by all our bad habits and pre-established biases.
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Aug 28, 2017 16:52
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Seconding on PMush's case, I'm content to wait a little longer and see if we can get a dialogue with trombone. Really not feeling the JFisk case, although I can understand Kasumeat's anger at being targeted.I'd be pissed if it happened to me. PMush, what are your thoughts on the Jfisk/Kasumeat spat?
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Aug 28, 2017 16:53
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Jonathan Fisk posted:It's not being obtuse. It's expecting players to make connections so that if they didn't pick it out before they can come to it organically themselves. I appreciate that newer players are liable to bit longer to reach that point That's not to say that Kasufish's read is necessarily incorrect, the best play scum Taste can make is to emulate town Taste, but it's a facet of the argument that needs to be considered. TL;DR version: I think Kasu is being genuine, but is just unused to Fisk... being Fisk.
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Aug 28, 2017 17:01
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Aug 28, 2017 17:01
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I must say that Kasumeat is the more convincing of the two. I still think yuming was a little too eager in the early phase of the day, though.
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LupusAter posted:I must say that Kasumeat is the more convincing of the two. I still think yuming was a little too eager in the early phase of the day, though. I'd be more concerned if Yuming wasn't too eager. I'm also not convinced by Kasumeat trying to convince us with Science. That kind of metagaming is useless because it's a vector for WIFOM.
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Aug 28, 2017 17:46
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PMush Perfect posted:This is pure, unadulterated "god dammit, Taste, you're always like this". JFisk (formerly known as Tremendous Taste) is a very, very stubborn player, especially in D1. What's stubborn about trying to get players to play?
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Aug 28, 2017 17:49
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Kasumeat posted:This is also scummy as gently caress. I'm not saying you should give me town cred for what I did. It's NAI as it's equally common for both scum and town to mafia dad, setup spec, and other similar "just making it clear that we're all aware of this"stuff. But to actually push somebody for doing it comes from scum 90%of the time. Again, jfisk isn't trying to game solve. He's looking for an excuse to lunch people. He says he didn't like my response, but again, there's no explanation or reason here. He doesn't give one because there isn't one other than he's scum. My response was to clearly explain why his push on me is scum motivated. all bluster doubling down on OMGUS is a bad look.
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Aug 28, 2017 17:50
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Jonathan Fisk posted:all bluster I don't get the sense that Kasu is doing it in a scummy way though, just seems like a town disagreement to me
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Aug 28, 2017 18:04
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going out on a limb there halbert
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Aug 28, 2017 18:09
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Jonathan Fisk posted:all bluster Unlike you, i don't give a gently caress about how i look. I'm trying to solce the game, not look good.
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Aug 28, 2017 18:18
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is english your first language
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Aug 28, 2017 18:19
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##vote JFisk You are becoming actively unpleasant to play with.
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Aug 28, 2017 18:45
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lol wrong game
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Aug 28, 2017 18:47
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Jonathan Fisk posted:is english your first language I don't think it is.
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Aug 28, 2017 18:50
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In that case I'll try to use fewer colloquialisms. I was implying that your behavior was scummy because you're re-enforcing a claim that seems mostly grounded in the fact I voted for you and wouldn't tell you why.
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Aug 28, 2017 18:53
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@Hal, what are your reasons for TRing jfisk? . Jonathan Fisk posted:In that case I'll try to use fewer colloquialisms. I understand your coloquialism, I'm implying that your choice of words unconsciously reflects your scum mindset. Scum are always concerned with how they look. Town, much less so. It's far from a slam dunk on its own, I certainly admit, but I think it's a little more likely to come from scum than town.
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I don't think that's an accurate assumption at all, good town will want to look towny because them being cuddled is a detriment to town overall since it makes the scum wincon easier to achieve Also the "clearly you care about how you look but i don't care how I look" is basically saying "look at me i am so town right now" which tbh makes your entire argument hypocritical y'know who are huge hypocrites? scum ##vote Kasumeat
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Aug 28, 2017 19:27
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wheredashimapansat posted:It is a serious vote. in other news this post is real bad
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Aug 28, 2017 19:28
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Hi, Chic! Welcome back.
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Votecount for Day 1  Kasumeat (2): Jonathan Fisk, Chic Trombone Jonathan Fisk (2): Jedit, Chic Trombone (2): wheredashimapansat, yuming yuming (1): LupusAter, Jedit (1): Nutsack Rangoon PMush Perfect (1): Jamuraan, yuming, Hal Incandenza (0): PMush Perfect, LupusAter (0): PMush Perfect, Jedit, Jamuraan (0): vector_to, Not Voting (4): b-minus1, Hal Incandenza, Jedit, vector_toWith 13 alive, it's 7 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 28th, 2017 at 9 p.m. PDT -- that's in about 7 hours, 37 minutes.
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Aug 28, 2017 21:22
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##vote Kasumeat
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Chic Trombone posted:I don't think that's an accurate assumption at all, good town will want to look towny because them being cuddled is a detriment to town overall since it makes the scum wincon easier to achieve That's fair to an extent, even if it is textbook WIFOM. To say I don't care at all about my image is an exaggeration. But the key difference is that it's not the focus of my posting, whereas for scum it is. I don't mind taking heat, even getting lunched, if it ultimately progresses the town agenda. You may play town differently, but that's how I do it, and it works well enough for me.
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And @trombone, same question I asked Hal: why do you TR jfisk?
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Kasumeat posted:That's fair to an extent, even if it is textbook WIFOM. To say I don't care at all about my image is an exaggeration. But the key difference is that it's not the focus of my posting, whereas for scum it is. I don't mind taking heat, even getting lunched, if it ultimately progresses the town agenda. You may play town differently, but that's how I do it, and it works well enough for me. And if there's anyone who thinks I'm full of poo poo, just look at my posts on Nutsack. If I was scum, no question, I wouldn't have made that addendum. If i was scum and nutsack town, obviously I would've just let my first suspicions sit without adding the caveat. If i was scum and nutsack scum, I wouldn't have pointed a finger of suspicion so early and then immediately contradicted myself. It makes me look scummy, and him too. The only reason for me to post like I posted is I was posting legit stream of consciousness as town. When i thought more carefully about my read on nutsack,i realised it was questionable, and made everyone aware of that, even if it makes me look worse. Because that's how I play town.
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Kasumeat posted:And @trombone, same question I asked Hal: why do you TR jfisk? I've just played with him enough to know when he's just being himself. His post are all natural town type stuff for him, I don't get the impression he's forcing any of that
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Kasumeat posted:And @trombone, same question I asked Hal: why do you TR jfisk? Pretty much the same as Hal - I've seen Taste play like this and be town a ton of times also I'm trapped at a fundraiser at a bar with poo poo music for the next couple hours send help, or at least better music
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Aug 28, 2017 23:13
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What does TR mean? Thanks
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b-minus1 posted:What does TR mean? Thanks I assume town read
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B-minus, Yuming and Hal are my scum reads. ##vote b-minus I'll type up case when I'm not on mobile
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^^ looking forward to reading that I'm torn between Jfisk and vector_to, and trusting other player's confidence that JFisk is town. ##vote vector_to.
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Chic Trombone posted:Pretty much the same as Hal - I've seen Taste play like this and be town a ton of times And how does his play this game differ from his scum play? Does he ever start contributing as town?
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kasu reads as earnest to me, also he is fun to play with I don't want to vote him.Chic Trombone posted:I don't think that's an accurate assumption at all, good town will want to look towny because them being cuddled is a detriment to town overall since it makes the scum wincon easier to achieve Still, the above post is just commenting on the last thing that was discussed and then (here) is a follow up on one of her earlier reads. I guess it reminds me of how I post as scum. Like "aaah quick here I made some opinions" but it lacks curiosity or genuine effort to figure out the game. That is my impression-- thoughts?
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Chic Trombone posted:I don't think that's an accurate assumption at all, good town will want to look towny because them being cuddled is a detriment to town overall since it makes the scum wincon easier to achieve "Good town want to look town / Taste cares about how he looks / I don't care about how I look >> hypocrite = scum" ??? I think kasu's vote for Fisk is fair god I didn't even know Fisk was Taste so I was thinking "okay tell me more." Like I'm p sure I have had the same reaction to Taste before.
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