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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.


12 months ago, it seemed like a foregone conclusion that the governing national party would win a fourth term. since then, everything's been shook up:
  • incredibly popular prime minister/hair-pulling freak john keys resigned, because he got bored with the job
  • he was replaced by his deputy bill english, an insanely boring man who led the party into the 2002 election & got destroyed
  • green party co-leader metiria turei admitted to committing welfare fraud in her early 20s, to make a point about the system being inadequate
  • the green party shot to 15% in the polls, and the labour party correspondingly dropped to 24%
  • boring labour party leader andrew little resigned, and was replaced by his deputy, the young & popular jacinda ardern
  • some dumb stuff metiria turei did 25 years ago came out, and she got hounded by media until she resigned
  • everything is up in the air, now.
___

q+a
what kind of electoral system does new zealand have?
there are about 120 members of parliament (mps), elected using a mixed-member proportional (mmp) system. it's good.

when is the election?
september 23

who are any of these people? why should i care?
maybe you like following other countries' politics, idk. i've compared the politicians to their closest amerikan equivalents to help u out.

lord of the rings reference
comparing politics to children's media is a sign of brain disease imo

___

what are the parties/candidates????


BILL ENGLISH, national party (60 seats)
(tim kaine)
conservative catholic farmer, leader of the main centre-right party. english was finance minister for the past 8 years, didn't go all austerity during the gfc - the economy is in a pretty good shape. this guy has no charisma, gently caress!


JACINDA ARDERN, labour party (32 seats)
(barack obama)
the 5th labour leader in 8 years. young, has name recognition, talks like a human being, big ol' teeth. labour is your typical western social democratic party. it went hard neoliberal in the 80s, third-way in the 90s. ardern's leadership has raised labour's polling to ~37%, with her preferred prime minister ranking the same as bill english's. accused of being more style than substance, hasn't yet deviated from her predecessor's policy programme.


JAMES SHAW / METIRIA TUREI, the greens (14 seats)
(bernie sanders / jeremy corbyn)
the default left-wing option. a loose coalition of socialists, bike tories, urban liberals, hippies etc. metiria turei owned. their polling has at least halved since ardern's ascension.


WINSTON PETERS, new zealand first (11 seats)
(donald trump)
nationalist anti-immigrant party. loved by retirees, the alienated working class, farmers, etc. winston's been doing the right-wing populism thing for like 20 years, he's been polling really well this time. nz first is much more ethnically diverse than, say, ukip – they've traditionally had quite strong māori support for example. winston is going to be the kingmaker in whichever coalition government emerges after the election, unfortunately.


TE URUROA FLAVELL / MARAMA FOX, māori party (2 seats)
(no real equivalent)
indigenous rights party, has been in a confidence and supply agreement with the national party. at risk of being eliminated by a resurgent labour.


DAVID SEYMOUR, act party (1 seat)
(rand paul)
libertarian party. these guys loving suck.


PETER DUNNE, united future party (1 seat)
(one of those 'honourable' trust the process dipshits)
bowtie, big hair, lib dem. might lose his seat.


GARETH MORGAN, the opportunities party (no seats)
(michael bloomberg)
new vanity party started by millionaire economist gareth morgan. technocratic morons who want evidence-based policy or whatever. ubi, sugar tax, teach kids to code, etc.

this country is bad, happy to answer any questions :angel:

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exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
oh yeah i forgot to post these political quizzes

https://votecompass.tvnz.co.nz

http://www.onthefence.co.nz/

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

p.hosed up that NZ conspired with the Australian Labor Party to destroy Australian democracy tbh.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

im rooting for that big flightless parrot what that fucks the cameraman's head

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

Tokamak posted:

p.hosed up that NZ conspired with the Australian Labor Party to destroy Australian democracy tbh.

extremely flattered too be described as a 'foreign power'

stone cold
Feb 15, 2014

op Kazakhstan has told me you're not a real country

Cease to Hope
Dec 12, 2011
i was going to shitpost about loving sheep but i can't think of anything funny

blame stone cold and peer pressure for the existence of this post

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

new zealand is a deep state anti-flat-earth psyop, they don't even appear on many world maps

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
incredibly impressive effort post, OP

let's go dudebutt

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer
That pizzacrime should deny Bill the election.

Go go Maori imo

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The key difference for you yankee doodle dandies is that while it's near impossible to get rid of a president no matter how bad they're stinking up the place, prime ministers have been dropping like flies throughout the Commonwealth the last decade

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

exmarx posted:

GARETH MORGAN, the opportunities party (no seats)
(michael bloomberg)
new vanity party started by millionaire economist gareth morgan. technocratic morons who want evidence-based policy or whatever. ubi, sugar tax, teach kids to code, etc.

this country is bad, happy to answer any questions :angel:

I'm glad to see US style democrats are in New Zealand.

Coding boot camps for everyone!

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

exmarx posted:

oh yeah i forgot to post these political quizzes

https://votecompass.tvnz.co.nz

http://www.onthefence.co.nz/
aww yiss


Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

You guys should build some plutocrat traps with dual citizenship and a country house as bait.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Lawman 0 posted:

You guys should build some plutocrat traps with dual citizenship and a country house as bait.

then kick all those criminals into australia

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

C/D

Do hobbits get 3/5th's of a vote in New Zealand?

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

etalian posted:

C/D

Do hobbits get 3/5th's of a vote in New Zealand?

Not if Winston Peters gets in and fulfills his promise to eradicate them

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
some more politic's happened today folks

peter dunne is the third party leader to step down in as many weeks (he's a party of one). he's held the electorate of ōhāriu for 33 years, but recent polling showed labour's greg o'connor solidly in the lead. due to a quirk of our electoral system, minor parties that win an electorate seat can gain greater representation than their vote share deserves. the national party has been supporting dunne and act's david seymour in their respective electorates in the hopes they can get that sweet sweet overhang.

anyway, here's to peter dunne, whose tedious centrism never achieved anything and then he died




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNa20hm_0K0


etalian posted:

I'm glad to see US style democrats are in New Zealand.

Coding boot camps for everyone!

there's a joke that the entire nz political spectrum fits inside the democrat party. gareth morgan is a major piece of poo poo who talks like sylvester the cat, and his supporters are entirely tech guy idiots


etalian posted:

C/D

Do hobbits get 3/5th's of a vote in New Zealand?

*taps q+a in the op*

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
you can't describe NZ's implementation of MMP in its current state as 'good' unless it's in the context of fptp or something, exmarx, god

Molestationary Store
May 21, 2007

Punch Winston Peters in his loving face until it's unrecognizable for the stupid pepe bullshit.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

and i said to them, 'wake up sheeple!'

but the sheeple were always awake

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

El Pollo Blanco posted:

you can't describe NZ's implementation of MMP in its current state as 'good' unless it's in the context of fptp or something, exmarx, god

the threshold is the only really bad thing. i'd prefer stv for the electorate vote, but it would realistically be too complicated

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

you are a huge loving idiot as you forgot Greg O'Connor, Ministry of Cops

fix the fuckin' thread already :cripes:

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
i mentioned him in the dunne post

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
wait people actually live in new zealand?

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
just politicians

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013




whatever happened to the Kim Dotcom and some lefties party? that was weird.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

exmarx posted:

i mentioned him in the dunne post

ah, snap, I should have scrolled up :doh:

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo
dispense with all this nonsense and just make viggo mortensen your king

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

:stare:

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Troy Queef posted:

whatever happened to the Kim Dotcom and some lefties party? that was weird.

i thought he went alt right

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.
Glad to see Keys out at least, always hated that guy

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
i never knew there was an old zealand

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

could we get a rundown of all the candidates' opinions on the nz flag debate

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEQpNrVhwSE
this series is good, a public radio journalist is travelling the country & asking young people about politics & issues etc.

if u prefer insider wonk bullshit, this weekly podcast is pretty deece. it's a semi-hate listen for me, but it's got some of the best analysis. media is pretty dire here in general.

the 2 big parties have released their first election ads. they're really similar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrEJr-TE7VA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mq_Cf_RZvY

today the nats released this one, which is identical to one they used for the 2014 election but with running this time. oh yeah, the 2014 one got them sued for using a blatant eminem ripoff, lol.

2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU4Sa6yowB0

2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=470bdH73TUY

here's the 2017 video with the 2014 audio:
https://twitter.com/Yorrike/status/901038060292382721


R. Mute posted:

could we get a rundown of all the candidates' opinions on the nz flag debate

ENGLISH:


ARDERN:


SHAW:


PETERS:

also nz first added little flags to their desks in the house (still have them) & godwinned the only good entry


Troy Queef posted:

whatever happened to the Kim Dotcom and some lefties party? that was weird.

dotcom got illegally surveilled by the gcsb (nsa equivalent) and arrested, and formed the 'internet party' to try fight extradition or whatever. that party was led by laila harré, who is good as hell, and had a weird alliance with the mana (a small māori radical party led by hone harawira). dotcom became the focus of the entire election campaign (he's represented by the purple guy in that 2014 ad!), and internet-mana crashed and burned. the 2014 election was dumb as gently caress.

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
also
https://twitter.com/nzherald/status/901253132851851264

forgot to post the greens ad, which is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFpyAIJK6GE

Ekster
Jul 18, 2013

how will this affect path of exile

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

exmarx posted:

ENGLISH:


ARDERN:


SHAW:


PETERS:

also nz first added little flags to their desks in the house (still have them) & godwinned the only good entry

*ticks none of the above*

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Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

I would like to know more.

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