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Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
I found the ending to Mother of Learning decent though not great. Maybe that's because I read the whole thing through in one go once it was completed and didn't have time to build up much in the way of expectations, though.

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Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Sham bam bamina! posted:

What are this thread's thoughts on Mother of Learning?

I quite liked it. I read it after it was finished and found the ending simply average - I suspect it felt a lot worse if you were reading it chapter by chapter and waiting for a grand finale.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
What drives me away from most webfiction isn't the lack of a tightly written plot or well executed narrative devices, it's the bad grammar and extremely basic, clumsy prose. Worm was by no means a great book even by my standards but it managed to do much better on those things than most stuff on the web. Generally when I read webfiction I intend to shut my brain off for a bit and have some fun, and while experiences may differ it did that for me.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

LLSix posted:

Tower of Somnus continues to deliver in a big way. The worst thing about it is that I wish there was more of it.

I find myself liking the second arc more so far. The first arc's real world half was so predictable and shallow. So was the game half I guess, but you expect an MMO to be pretty much straightforward and fighty. So I'm glad the author seems to be trying to add more interesting scenes and (hopefully) characters to the real world than just more fights.

But yeah, I think it has potential and I look forward to a more lengthy story.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Man how do you people even read this poo poo

I mean, SA is all about mocking things. Worm isn't great, but it's not nearly as bad as it sounds when goons pick a few parts out of 1.7m words to make fun of.

Putting it another way, even the people mocking it here still liked it enough to finish what amounts to a 12ish book series.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 10, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Sham bam bamina! posted:

I've had a look at it and other web serials myself, and it's all been pretty fuckin' bad. Reading this thread or the comments on Royal Road is like being in a cafeteria where everyone's eating bowls of sand.

But it's free sand!

Yeah, I dunno why I read so much web fiction these days either. I've always been a big reader, I guess maybe the format is just different enough to be fresh compared to buying more novels.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Velius posted:

Looking at top web fiction beyond the usual good stories there’s a few stories of misogynist tripe by Mooderino, Wildbow’s stuff which we’ve been discussing, but mostly it’s good or at least defensible stuff in the top twenty or thirty entries. Below that though, there’s an enormous number of forgettable stuff and tons of horrible stuff, as you’d expect for a field where anyone can put up whatever they want. I enjoy the stories I like, but I’m certainly not going out and soliciting new random web fiction without someone here referencing it.

That is actually one advantage webfiction has. If I go out and buy a new book and it's horrible, I feel bad for wasting the money. If I put something off RR on my Kindle and hate it, it just takes a few seconds to hit delete.

And while there's a lot more horrible webfiction out there, it's not like professional novels don't have their share of tire fires too.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Sampatrick posted:

I really, really do not understand how anyone can like Azarinth Healer when it is written so incredibly poorly. It reads like bad fanfiction.

I just started reading it after seeing it talked about in several places and my immediate reaction was wondering if I picked up the wrong story named Azarinth Healer, because this. However I read stuff on my Kindle instead of my PC so I have a lot more inertia to continue with anything not completely unreadable, and I will admit it did get less "and my awesome PC goes bam!pow! and kills the boss that's fifty, no, a hundred levels higher than she is!" eventually.

Larry Parrish posted:

Don't listen to him, it never really gets better. It's literally like 1000 chapters in where he's like alright guys I'm gonna try to actually write a plot.

I don't know if I'd say it ever gets good, but I would agree it gets less terrible.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Jazerus posted:

idk anything about this azarinth story but TWI has an extremely large cast of likeable characters, essentially endless depths of worldbuilding, and what few numbers it does have are so seamlessly integrated into the story that the fact of their existence is a central part of the grand overarching plot

i think it's hard to compare that to a numbers go up story and say "yeah, only a little bit better", imo

I've actually tried several times to read TWI and bounced hard, mostly because I found it to be the complete opposite of likeable characters. I found both Erin and Ryouka to be pretty unpleasant to share headspace with (albeit for different reasons) and every other character is pretty much a minor side story at most.

Azarinth isn't a lot better in this regard, admittedly, since at least for the first hundred chapters or so the main character is basically a mindless battle junky that actively avoids having to interact with other human beings so she can go do OP isekai fights.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Cicero posted:

Is this serial good?

I just caught up with Beneath the Dragoneye Moons after seeing it recommended in this thread (and not just by the author!) I'd say it's pretty good - it's a concept I've seen done before, and it is indeed heavy on the numbers going up, but it's well written and good at what it's trying to be. Plus it's already pretty long, while I prefer over whatever the newest and hottest serials that just have a few thousand words might be.

Judging by the review section, it also appears to be review bombed by people who don't like its message of "Sexism is bad."

LLSix posted:

Just read chapter 22 of book 2 in Tower of Somnus. The mystery thing the rival exec is looking for in Cat’s old town is Cat, isn’t it? They can't find her because she isn’t there. The stallesp are putting the screws to their pet exec to eliminate Cat because they failed to kill Dorrik’s crew in the tower repeatedly and she's the only member they can get at in the real world. Which when I write it out like that is dumb of them, but what else could be worth all this risk that is also so well hidden?

In general, the first book felt tighter and higher stakes, but this is still a very enjoyable read.

I had a similar thought, but while it's easy to see why they'd want Kat dead, as her alien contacts are a big threat to their plans, it's hard to imagine how they could have good enough intel to know where she is without finding out "oh, she moved out to attend college" when one of their big-wigs literally runs the college. Also Xander did piss off the merc side of the villain alliance, so I was honestly expecting them to just be moving in on him.

Personally I like the more complicated/less action heavy real world arc this book. She's already killing stuff in the game, spending the awake chapters investigating and learning about the world makes for a nice change of pace to me.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Mar 5, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Larry Parrish posted:

I posted this a while back. Like I said, I love it. Lmfao if true that people get upset about the sexism. Except for Kerberos who seemed like a regular rich person, everyone just kind of goes 'aww, shouldn't you be at home sweetie?' Which is bad and sexist, but a lot of morons in real life don't think that's sexist today. I'm amazed you could pick up on what might as well be clever subtext if you're dumb enough to also get upset by being reminded it exists.

I mean, I'd say it's a lot worse than that. Elaine heals a woman that's beaten by her husband because she "had a headache tonight", and when she reports it to her father the guard his response is "well, he's the husband so she's his property, we can't do anything." She's denied the chance to study for combat related skills the boys get, and she's the only woman in her class of five hundred and it's observed that the few women who do make it through are the best of the best because of the discrimination they face. It's very much laid out as a setting where being a woman is having every deck stacked against you, even if Elaine is lucky enough to avoid the worst of it because she's mostly around people who realize the whole thing is bullshit.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 5, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Mulozon Empuri posted:

I'm not sure I like Dragoneye Moons, but I'm not sure why. The setting is cool, the protagonist is pretty nice and I like the side characters... I donno. I think it might be the time skips? I love my competence porn so that cant be it.

Anyways, well done writing it! It sure as poo poo is better than 90% of the stuff I've read on royal road.

The one critique I saw in the comments that I did agree with is that the MC's ADHD and how it influences her thoughts and actions isn't a lot of fun to read. It does kind of get on my nerves. But that's not bad writing or anything, it's a stylistic choice that just doesn't suit my personal tastes.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Wittgen posted:

It's possible that the greatest contribution the MC could make in the ant-war is introducing ideas to enable the republic to wage total war. Universal education, state propaganda, refrigeration, canning, the printing press. All ideas I do not think were taken from her by the chaos god, and they could make a big difference in humanity's ability to muster its resources effectively.

Elaine: And you're not going to use this to kill anything sentient, right?
Senators: Pinky Promise!
Elaine: Alright, here you go
System: Your Oath of Elaine to Lyra skill has fallen to negative one million
Elaine: ARGH!

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Argue posted:

I opened the first chapter of Dragoneye but the first thing the reincarnation deity did was wipe the MC's knowledge of chemistry, physics, and even just the scientific method in general, and that sort of anachronistic knowledge is what I live for in an isekai story. I take it it's safe for me to not read it? Or does the story involve reclaiming this knowledge?

She still makes major contributions, like (spoiler I guess?) writing a treatise on germ theory and getting it distributed across the nation. She also considers and rejects teaching them how to make crossbows.

Also I find her holes in what she can and can't remember amusing at times. Like she remembers there was a weapon that could destroy cities, but she can't remember the name, because the name is physics.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Mar 10, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Cicero posted:

Ugh I caught up in propaganda from Big Mango Dragoneye and now I need to find my next progression fantasy fix

You could try Magic-Smithing if you haven't already read it. I wouldn't rate it as high as Dragoneye but it has a similar "what will higher numbers do next?" feel with bonus blacksmithing.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Infinity Gaia posted:

I've caught up with Dragoneye Moon and it was... Fine? It's extremely by the numbers, and only really showed some first glimpse of something more interesting in a very recent chapter. I also feel like it's kind of lame that Elaine was able to skip straight into being a Sentinel. The story makes a big show of how sexist the society is, and Elaine just kinda barely seems to feel any of it. Sure, it's the basis of her initial thrust into adventure, and occasionally she has to roll her eyes at guards at a gate or whatever, but for something that was extremely focused on it feels like it affects her less and less. You'd think the probably sexist senate and such would veto her skipping straight into one of the most powerful roles in the setting, super healer or not. Plus it would've been interesting to see her having to work with a team that may have been less overtly kind to her, maybe somewhat less competent overall. The mention of how Squad 13 seems to never make it back made me think the author was going to put her as a second in command in it, and she'd have to prove herself by saving her sexist macho teammate rangers.

But yeah honestly it's... Extremely competent, the writing has no real major flaws or anything, it's just a little bland. I feel like things generally work out too cleanly for Elaine all the drat time, especially considering how everyone around her has to twist and bend around her Oath, even if it IS super powerful numbers. The story keeps mentioning potential situations in which her Oath could severely hamper her, but they never actually HAPPEN, which makes it feel a bit toothless.

I'd probably agree with that... if Elaine had been elevated to the position of Sentinel of anything else except healing. Healing seems to be one of the professions most accepting of powerful women in the Dragoneye world, and she'd proven herself not just by her deeds but by publishing her explanation of how the body works. And remember Elaine has been constantly warned that she'll be targeted since ID shows her as a healer and healers are considered weak and easy targets; I suspect the more misogynistic members heard about appointing a woman as Sentinel of healing and thought "well, figures the weak one is their token woman; they'd never make a woman a sentinel that would actually be in charge of a fight."

See also Artemis; she got a lot of pushback about being a ranger but as soon as she decided to open a school Senators were racing to enroll their kids; I don't think it was ever specified but I'm guessing "teaching" might be another profession that's considered more acceptable for women.


I'm generally in agreement with your other point, though; Dragoneye's society is presented as very sexist but Elaine mostly avoids it by lucking into mostly dealing with the more progressive people. Even her parents were clearly much more accepting of independent women than most of society.

Silynt posted:

I dunno, I kind of agree. Like, given that they have a sexist society, I would think that Night, the most powerful person alive who has existed since the dawn of civilization, probably would be sexist himself. His easy acceptance of Elaine is kind of baffling to me, given his history and the overall state of the world.

Night seems likely to be a special case for... well, a lot of reasons actually. Just because he's old doesn't mean he's going to be sexist, especially given one of the "reasons" given for sexism in Dragoneye is wanting women to be safe at home giving birth to more kids, and vampires reproduce in an entirely different way. Arguably they wouldn't even have any use for differentiating vampires by sex.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Mar 11, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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DACK FAYDEN posted:

...uh, these are meant to be two distinct things, right

or does AH introduce literally any story after the first, gently caress, what'd I read, hundred chapters

If there is one thing this thread has taught me it's that quality stories are very much subjective. I often dislike stories this thread loves, like TWI, and enjoy ones it hates, like Worm or Metaworld Chronicles.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Cardiovorax posted:

The later chapters become somewhat creepily fixated on discussing the sexual predilections and/or misadventures of the (very much underage) cast of characters. There's a dog person side character who sticks around for a few chapters and who keeps referring to one of the teenage girls as "the moist one" who "smells like she wants to mate." I refused to read any more of it after the newly introduced (and very much adult) owner of the airship "Beaver Cleaver" started relentlessly hitting on said group of ~16-ish year old girls, because the creep factor just seems to keep ramping up further and further.

Ouch, that's absolutely not where I was expecting the story to go after the description.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God
I mean, I avoided WtC because any description with anything like "now he's in the world of his D&D campaign" is going to make me go nope and turn around, just like I avoid self inserts in any other story. But the spoilers aren't doing anything to make me re-evaluate that.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

LLSix posted:

First four books of Mage Errant are free.

Stumbled across the author's reddit post while looking for something new to read so no idea if they're any good.

It doesn't look free to me, did I miss the window?

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Ytlaya posted:

It always confuses me when people get upset at protagonists having actual flaws. Like some people just can't even consume media unless they personally identify with the protagonist and all PoV characters (that aren't explicitly villainous) are good/correct (or gradually become more good/correct by the end of the series)

I'm not referring to you there (like you sort of mention/imply, it's not really strange for Anabelle to have the sort of mindset she has, since her response to a terrible life was fantasize about the grass being greener elsewhere), but this attitude seems pretty endemic among most popular media (I was going to say YA stories and web serials, but honestly this applies to most major movies and TV shows as well).

vvv To me it heavily depends on the ideology of the work as a whole, which can sometimes be a subtle distinction, but there's definitely a tendency for nearly all PoV or otherwise "good-aligned (from the perspective of the plot)" characters to either be good or be bad in ways that are remedied within the scope of the story.

It's also one thing to say "I don't want to read this kind of story" (which is completely fine) and another to say that "the protagonist being bad/dumb is a reason this story isn't good and I don't recommend it because of this."

I enjoy things better when protagonists are at the very least intelligent, rational, and make consistently good decisions based on the information they have. I'm not going to claim it's realistic or anything, but it's much more enjoyable for me, in the same way a game is more enjoyable if I can make reasonably easy progress and frustrating if I can't accomplish anything. I don't demand they be powerful, but I guess "smart" is sort of my preferred power fantasy?

And yes, this is the reason I bounced hard off TWI, which early on seemed to be the story of two characters who both consistently made poor choices but were rewarded anyways.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Josh Christ posted:

Also in twi it's canon that at least some of Erin's being dumb is an act because it's easier for her to get away with poo poo if everyone just thinks she's some dipshit lunatic human, which is kind of great.

To give an example, the last thing that was happening where I stopped was Erin ended up in another town, decided she wanted to stay a bit, and sent a few messages back to friends in her town. Except she either forgot or completely ignored the barmaid she left in the inn without money or food in a freezing winter, and who was not allowed to enter the only nearby town. It wasn't like I put it down there and said "no, this is a step too far" but it was just one more thing. And that was shortly after she nearly burned down an alchemist shop because she just started throwing ingredients together while completely ignoring the alchemist trying to stop her, or decided to convert a possibly crazy antman to Christianity and never take any precautions that this wouldn't backfire spectacularly, drove a soulbonded skeleton to trying to murder her by treating him like dirt despite the fact he was clearly a thinking being, and so many other things that makes it clear she never, ever imagines anything she does might have consequences. And of course they almost never do (at least that hurt her), because... well, I was going to say because the author apparently loves her, but honestly it's probably simpler than that in that she probably would have died within a few days and it wouldn't have made for much of a story.

I mean, maybe the author writes her that way intentionally and other readers consider it an interesting character flaw or whatever, but it's just makes the story frustrating for me. And somehow she's still a less frustrating character than Ryouka.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Argue posted:

Oh, Erin is definitely a Mary Sue; I think recent events have shown that everyone would gladly go to war for her if some situation like that were to arise. That said, she's pleasant to read about because it turns out that consistently advocating for kindness buys you a lot of of credit (with me at least), and the consequences of the mistakes she does make are dire enough that she isn't quite a messiah.

And it helps that despite her Mary Sueness, she isn't naive about what shitheads people can actually be, nor does the story doesn't treat the huge systemic problems in her way as something that can be solved with her performative actions, nor does she make villains instantly become good or make warring factions declare peace just from forcing them to play nice with each other in the inn.

I don't mind her being nice; that's why I didn't include teaching a goblin to be a tactician despite the explicitly referenced fact that could end up killing thousands of people as one of her mistakes; she didn't buy in to the "goblins are always chaotic evil" mindset and I think that's great. What I object to is that... well, I don't want to say she's an idiot, because I really don't think she is, but that the story seems bound and determined to make her act like one and that just makes it painful to read. I think this thread is making me realize that might just be me, though.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Velius posted:

I’ve been mostly enjoying dragon eye, but there’s a seriously creepy thing in a recent chapter. The guy posted “there’s a more detailed description of that massage between a prostitute and my main character for only :10bux: to my patron” and for whatever reason it’s :females:-ing me out a bunch, above and beyond more explicit fare. I’m not sure why, but I don’t like it.

For what it's worth, I'm a Dragonseye patreon reader and saw it weeks ago, and it's barely even racey. It's pretty much just a massage (and not of the naughty bits) with an invitation to turn into something more that Elaine declines. If anything I thought it was funny imagining all the people racing to pay $10 imagining some explicit sex scene and being outraged they didn't get what they were *cough* looking for.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Plorkyeran posted:

Yeah as the story goes on it basically converges to Zorian, Zach, and everyone else. This could be neat if it was a deliberate thing done to emphasize how isolated Zorian is from everyone else to the point where he can't even tell them apart, but it isn't.

To be fair, as someone who recently read MoL, it really did feel like the story was bending over backwards to force Zorian to go out with class president girl, and I was kind of weirded out by it at first. It just turned out there was a reason for that that had nothing to do with heteronormativity or even romance.

Then this thread turned into weird sniping at each other.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Scaevolus posted:

Beneath the Dragoneye Moons feels like a Romanized Naruto fanfiction for the arcs where they're a supernatural military team running around doing missions and solving problems with MAGIC and VIOLENCE and FRIENDSHIP, but that might be more of a reflection on my own media consumption-- special ops hijinks are fun to read about, and is kind of the standard fare of fantasy murderhobo bands.

This makes me glad I never watched Naruto, since apparently it means I can enjoy Mother of Learning and Beneath the Dragonseye Moons in blissful ignorance.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Onean posted:

Beneath the Dragoneye Moons Patreon
Holy poo poo.

I had been interested in seeing more of what was going on with the dwarves and being outside the Dead Zone, and was really curious about what could possibly have gone wrong causing Elaine to go missing. I expected "dragon incident" when one was brought up, but definitely not in this manner.


To steal a quote well, that escalated quickly. I hope some of the dwarves from the dinner survived just so Elaine can go "I told you so."

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Anias posted:

So if I want to read through against the gods or similar length works, what is the best kindle-like option these days?

You mean the physical reader? I use an actual kindle (the e-book reader kind, not the tablet-lite); for stuff on Royal Road and other sites, I use Calibre with the plugin fanficfare, which downloads stuff directly into the Calibre library and even handles updating. It works on a lot of sites but not wordpress or novel-specific sites like The Gods are Bastards, or at least it didn't last time I checked. I did eventually managed to download the first book of The Gods are Bastards with some blog to epub site but it was very finicky.

Some authors don't want downloaded copies of their stuff floating around, which I'm sympathetic to but it can make using an e-book reader annoying if the author tries hard to prevent the basic automated grabbing utilities.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jul 20, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Onean posted:

BtDEM Patreon chapter:

:stare:

And suddenly Elaine really, really regretted making that oath.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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I think paid webnovel writing is always going to have a similar payscale to things like actors or sports players (though for the immediate future much lower all around) - the "top" or at least most well known make far more than everyone else and the rest have to struggle to find a place. After all, writing a webnovel is the same amount of work for ten paying readers as a thousand paying readers, and while it would be nice to think the cream always rises to the top really it seems like it's as much about visibility as writing a better story.

Normally you might think things would diversify, with authors splitting the audience with sci-fi, cultivation, litrpg, traditional fantasy, porn, whatever webnovels, but honestly I've kind of come to the conclusion most webnovel readers don't want something different, they just want a steady diet of decently written but broadly similiar stories, because they're familiar and comfortable.

P.S. No offense intended to Selkie, I'm a fan of BtDEM.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Plorkyeran posted:

Assuming you're at the part that absolutely everyone hated when it first came out, it eventually pivots pretty hard away from that. I did not like book 2 very much but do like book 3.

I'm going to admit that part didn't bother me. Not just didn't bother, even, but when the author commented about all the negative feedback I thought long and hard and couldn't figure out what other people didn't like. I guess it just goes to show how tastes differ.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Anias posted:

TW: mind-rape, noncon, slavery, misogyny, nsfl more I guess?

Ch 48-52 of fates parallel:yikes:

Answering the questions no one ever wanted to ask or even be presented with.
Is there a multi-track drifting equivalent but it’s mind-rape? If you pull someone out of their soul and then wander around in their dream while wearing their body is that soul, mind, or body rape? If your friend the reformed(?!) mind rapist(1) rescues you from betrayal by your other friend the mind rapist(2) forcing you to leave your other-soul behind in a coma to be worn like a pair of clothes by the ex-friend mind rapist(2) who betrayed you, is that somehow more morally acceptable mind rape? If your reformed mind-rape friend (1) then coerces you without mind rape by threatening you with causing worldwide war to negotiate with another associate (3) and tells you to offer all of yourself to them, is anything you offer legitimate? If they (3) then threaten to bind your soul for eternity, what now? Finally which of 1, 2, 3 are you most Stockholm syndrome friends with, and will continue to associate with going forward it seems? (Answer, all three?!?)

Oh John ringo no….wait, wrong author, same feeling though.

Do not read Fates Parallel.

There's like, a billion books/games/etc with some form of spell or technique that lets people control someone else's body, and the whole incident you're describing involves zero sex or sexualization despite your attempt to imply otherwise by using words like "noncon." And I don't even know where the misogyny bit comes from since every single character in the example is a girl and run the complete spectrum of personalities and alignments.

Warning I guess, Fates Parallel involves a body control/sensory manipulation technique, and also actually a full on mental domination one possessed by a friendly character that doesn't abuse it for ethical reasons. If that alone is a deal killer for you don't read it, if it's not it's a good series. It also involves someone pledging themselves as a vassal in a feudal society, which apparently some people translate as slavery; she does this because she needs protection from the powerful enemies she's (unintentionally) made, which is coercion of a sort, but is done in good faith by both her and the noble she's swearing allegiance to.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Oct 15, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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LLSix posted:

The first 7 chapters of book 2 involve every single character carrying the idiot ball. Nobody is acting in their own best interest and some of them are making decisions even an idiot wouldn't, much less those particular characters. Book 2 also introduces an antagonist with the ability to fully fake reality to such an extent that people under her technique can't tell when other people are touching or even picking up and carrying them. (Let's leave aside for the moment the question of how one person can carry two people at once. Or how nobody in a busy campus notices her doing so.)

The book also brings back problems that the end of book 1 explicitly swept under the rug as non-issues in a fashion that usually indicates the author didn't want to deal with them. Preventing your characters (or in this case players since the author has said that the story started as a CYOA) from taking reasonable precautions and then punishing them for it is deeply unfair.

More importantly, after being literally kidnapped and repeatedly threatened with death the two MCs (okay one and a half MCs) decide to be friends with miss technically-not-a-mind-controller (the person who can create fake realities or whatever you want to call it) and even live with her. There's simply no way this would end well. It's beyond belief that Eui, one of the two MCs, wouldn't just murder her in her sleep. The author tries to present this as the MCs having no other options, but they've got lots of options. The simplest and most obvious is that the kidnappers are not students. That means they somehow snuck in through the shield barrier (one wonders how they managed this). The Elders are well within their rights to just kill them all. Or kill the two who aren't "nice" and give the third one her own home. 2 out of the 6 Elders have a vested interest in the MC's success and either alone could handle the problem.

Apparently, I haven't even gotten to the bad part yet. I'm only at chapter 40.

You're welcome to like or dislike whatever you like, but I did feel I should add a correction; the kidnappers are indeed students, and she was assigned to live with them by one of the school elders. In addition, the students that kidnapped her are explicitly working under the orders of one of the school's other elders, who they name, and Jia and Eui could be hauled off and executed without the other elders being able to do much about it if they decide to do that. Like, say, if they murder Yue.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Oct 16, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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LLSix posted:

How can they be students if they’re hiding? They said they didn’t want anyone to know where they are and they made a big deal about not wanting anyone to see them.

They aren't hiding that they're at the school; Yan Yue even mentions having a dorm room. They just took Jia and Eui somewhere out of sight to question them.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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avoraciopoctules posted:

No stat sheets, thankfully, but there's a LOT of names to keep track of, and I feel like I am going to struggle to remember who is who without more distinct character voices and signifiers. Still, I am enjoying what I've read so far. The dialogue feels a little flat, but I like the main character, appreciate the fact that in spite of the bad times they've had, they are still willing to DO stuff instead of moping around.

I found most of the characters pretty distinctive once I got a bit further. Except the two (not horrible) Qin guys, I always got them mixed up.

And something I definitely appreciated about book 2 is there was no moping around being depressed or complaining (correctly) about how unfair things were. When everything goes to hell, she just does what she can and tries to make the best of it. I found it pretty refreshing.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Kalas posted:

I guess I'll have to add Fates to my list of stuff to read, it seems to be pretty divisive.

Please don't let this be another Cinnamon Bun.

I didn't find anything in it creepy. Well, I guess there are elements of "Our souls are linked, that means we're destined to be together!" which I wasn't exactly thrilled with but it doesn't seem to do anything creepy with it at least.

Do report back on the divisiveness though. It's not the first time I've read stuff others enjoyed, but it's the first time I read the complaints and wondered if we were reading the same book. My current theory is that others have read books that did similar things and went horrible places with them, and therefor were unhappy about otherwise pretty innocuous stuff. I still don't get why I've seen several different people comparing swearing fealty to a feudal lord to slavery.


Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

I tried Vainqueur the Dragon, Never Die Twice, The Perfect Run, and Kairos: A Greek Myth LitRPG without realizing they were from the same author. I bounced off or reached a point where I decided it wasn't worth continuing to read in all of them. Void Herald does a good job of giving RR what RR wants, but I don't know that makes them the best author on RR.

If I had to pick, I'd probably pick Etzoli or TMarkos for completing multiple well written and compelling stories.

I also dropped Vainqueur and Never Die Twice since I just didn't find either that enjoyable, but from the reactions I've seen I accept that I'm definitely in the minority. I haven't tried his other stuff yet, though I did mark The Perfect Run for a read since I heard it was complete.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Plorkyeran posted:

I thought that bit was weird mostly because it was sort of a gigantic twist out of nowhere in where the story was going, and it wasn't the fun sort of twist or a direction that sounded more interesting. It felt like the author came up with a solution to the immediate problem the characters were facing without properly considering the implications of that solution.

I guess I just didn't let that bother me because it was clearly set up as "after we graduate" and I didn't expect that to be a timeframe covered by the books, at least not anytime soon. It seemed like the kind of thing that would change the dynamics at the academy a little but not really fully play out until maybe an epilogue at the end of the series.

Now, the current patreon chapters, that's a sudden shift out of nowhere, and one I'm not sure I'll enjoy long term, though I plan on giving it a chance.

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Plorkyeran posted:

The interesting different thing it's doing is that the reincarnator is facing a lot more adversity than is usual for the genre. Usually these stories are more of "I reincarnated as the villainess but then started being a decent person and that derailed everything" and it's nice to see one which isn't doing that.

I actually like that, and Agenda of the Villainess seems to be doing the same thing (the implication is that the marriage was anulled at least partially for political reasons that had nothing to do with the MC). The Villainess genre is kind of interesting since the original, or at least most well known, example was a parody where it's blatantly obvious the MC isn't in danger, and therefor it's left to some of the imitations to actually try playing it straight.

Which is nice in my book. I liked My Next Life as a Villainess fine but it was really just the one joke, and I think it's interesting to see more serious takes on it.

Bremen fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Nov 7, 2021

Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

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Yeah, I'd just send it in as fanart, not saying "oh here, you can use this as the cover for your book!" or anything. Even if it obviously looks like a book cover or something that's fine, it's like fans making fake movie posters or whatever.

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Bremen
Jul 20, 2006

Our God..... is an awesome God

Larry Parrish posted:

I don't care about a school as a setting since there's a reason it's useful, but when it's just there and has not much to do with the actual plot or character development it feels like checking a box and is annoying.

If you're gonna do that, vainquerer did it right, in that it was literally one chapter long lmfao.

I like school settings! That said, I can't exactly disagree with the idea that at lot of them are clearly just copycatting everything.

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