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Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Nettle Soup posted:

He didn't spend that much time with Ryoka, but he did spend some time with the butler... Reynold? Maybe that's who he's referring to

This was my take on it (Wandering Inn 4.22)

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Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Silynt posted:

It was the cliffhanger from the chapter before this that I posted about last week, saying "Look forward" to it.... I desperately wanted to say something about the end of this chapter on Saturday, but I didn't want to be that guy posting about the Patreon chapters every single upload day. But now that it is live to the world: that ending really pissed me off. I guess ultimately it comes down to me not liking character death (not a fan of "grimdark" fantasy settings), but this death felt particularly arbitrary. To develop a character over several books, just to kill him because of a child's temper tantrum annoyed the poo poo out of me. But the world moves on, and I assume there is a plan.

All that said, regarding today's Patreon chapter: HOLY loving poo poo THAT ENDING! This author has a real hard-on for cliffhangers right now, today makes 3 brutal ones in a row.

Wandering Inn: What a pointless ending to a cool chapter.

Either kill Ryo or don’t, we’re invested in her and the secrets she is carrying. A random gnoll paying for Az being less than great and powerful in the eyes of a toddler is a dull outcome that just sucks the tension out of the threat. We already have toren for dumb undead murderhobo and he’s at least comedic unlike the toddler. The undead are scarier when they are channeling Az to laugh and cuddle mrsha than when they kill Bru.

I really wish they just walked away charming everyone into an open ended come again soon style magical invitation. In fact imagine how much scarier it would be if instead of murdering Bru, they convinced Erin to give them a doorknob, and had wrangled an open invitation to go on the visit to the walled city. What a wasted opportunity.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Yeah I liked the chapter a lot then random ending sucked a lot of the tension out.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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TWI: I don't mind Bru dying - at best I went "meh" about him as a character. I'm more annoyed by how out of place with the tone of the rest of the chapter it is, and how it serves to undercut the tension established throughout. Naming the chapter death, then having your readers wondering if it's Ryo the whole way through, is masterfully done. Then the ending of the chapter manages to feel just 'bleh'. It's not that Bru died, it's the way and reason that felt like letting the air of out a bag slowly.

Erin is great - I laugh every time she has the focus because the entire joke from my pov is that usually in these portal fantasy stories the main character is OP as gently caress and goes on to conquer the world etc where here the main character is OP as gently caress and gives zero shits or thoughts to consequences and it comes back to bite her. Her mary sueness is the joke to me. IDK.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Argue posted:

Are there chapter titles I don't know about? All I see are numbers and the occasional letter.

I think it's just the way my browser formatted it. I had 4.28 Death. It's definitely inconsistent, usually it's just Number, occasionally it's Number + <secondary viewpoint letter>

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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TWI is pretty great atm. I think there is potential for a new faerie instead. Maybe reincarnation instead of resurrection. Also reasonable to offer insight into a new vector of magic as an outcome of the high passes passing. Lots of interesting options.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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WTC: Uther being monstrous In multiple ways was surprisingly upsetting.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Even less coherently organized than normal fiction or even: Web Serials

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Solidarity with the "meh wildbow" opinion. If I wanted unrelenting bleakness I could ponder entropic decay.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

If you want a web serial with concise chapters, I recommend Into the Mire.

I love TWI sometimes and am annoyed by it sometimes. But then I don't read web serials for the prose - they're almost universally bad. Though it's not like sci-fi and fantasy novels are that much better generally.

I like twi when it’s erin and the inn and things like the tension with slave skellibro, and my interest in the rest varies a lot as we get further away. I mostly tuned out of it when it was clear we’d be reading about rags forever because TWI goblins are different :smugdog: but that trope was done in less words with more style elsewhere (even Rowling) and the segments drag on interminably for no obvious reason.

As a story about a girl with plot armor becoming an innkeeper in Adventureland it is interesting.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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I always remember a snow fox leads the kid who punches the tree and Lyndon’s entire path starts from that fruit argument, then blame elder whisper. “You have eaten a wondrous fruit.” Indeed.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Well wuxia and magical rationalism have different tropes but share a, Hrm, motto? One of the defining tropes of the cultivator genre is that forward progress follows training after some kind of sudden insight, sometimes encapsulated as “study and grow strong”so teachers/artifacts/elixirs etc as sudden insight generators are de rigeur. Magical rationalism is rooted in something like “magic works now apply the scientific method to grow strong”. The motto is the same but the source of inspiration is different.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Ytlaya posted:

Isn't TWI the only major transmigration Western web serial?

As for Japanese, I would overall probably put Re:Zero above Ascendance of a Bookworm, because even though it has some dumb/goofy stuff the author is very good at crafting exciting scenes and distinctive characters and generally has less of the "amateur-ish" feel that pervades other web serials. I'd probably have Ascendance of a Bookworm and Grimgar tied for 2nd, with the latter being much better written (which isn't surprising since it's a published light novel instead of a web novel) but also different from most series of that genre.

There is a lot of professionally edited western transmigration fantasy that does a better job with this stuff than twi if we’re allowing published instead of WN

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Every Heart a Doorway (Series)
Stephen R. Donaldson (Author - Both Thomas Covenant and Mordan't Need are portal fantasy)
Jack L Chalker (Author - Changewinds, others - Not really portal fantasy but Well World is definitely something to read)
Narnia (Series)
Fairyland (Series)
Shades of Magic (Series)
Coraline (Standalone)
Stormwrack (Series)
Magonia (Series)


So there's a lot of work that's been done here - even in trad pub. The WN format for isekai/portal fantasy is a bit different, but if you just want "person from earth ends up in a fantasy kingdom" take your pick from the above.


Note that not all of that stuff is going to be to one person's taste, but it's all established successful works so some people like it quite a lot.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Cradle talk Eithan blocked the reasonable outs for jai d to force him to put his clan at risk, but didn’t expect the exact risk jai d would take. This is typical of eithan, he blocks the reasonable things and forces escalation that he sometimes handles, and other times has to resort to contingencies to survive.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Cradle still: Yeah I like Eithan, and I think the reaction to the Akuma name and some of the stuff in ghostwater gets back to that same reverence of the early makuth guy. I'm hype for Underlord tonight

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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A fair request.

I’ve been blowing through metaworld chronicles recently, feel sad now that I’ve caught up to the author. Anyone else enjoy them?

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Jade Mage posted:

Occasionally I consider reading Wandering Inn but this thread always makes me hold back and find something else. Every few weeks something seems to be very bad in TWI, and it's not too often the same thing over and over.

I peaced out after goblins became a recurring and boring part of the story and I don't feel the need to go back. Solidarity, stay strong. It's also better than WIldbow, because wildbow is actively seeking to be bleaker than Nietzsche without being that interesting.

Anias fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 20, 2019

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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If you like the isekai survivor therapy circle enough to want a novella, check out Every heart a doorway by Seanan McGuire.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Why do goons keep reading wildbow?

There's a lot of better stuff out there. Like, you can just stop reading thinly veiled torture porn.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Flesnolk posted:

I don't, I just make attempts to convince people Wildbow Bad


Carry on fighting the good fight.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Omi no Kami posted:

I don't think it's asking too much for a story to be rigorously-structured and effectively told, regardless of the format it's composed and delivered in.

This is too much to ask in any format. There are counterexamples all over the place.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Peanut Butler posted:

what are the current good web serials that aren't about superheroes or knights and wizards?

So cultivators and rogues and "Other" is your jam?

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Lone Goat posted:

like imagine being someone that writes 30000 boring words (or however many chapters i read before i gave up on their book) and then getting mad that someone does that twice a week and they're actually good

But enough about Terry Goodkind...

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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The Shortest Path posted:

I've taken a pretty long hiatus from both Prac Guide and TWI and I'm gonna go back in by starting from the beginning again, but I can't decide which to read first. :ohdear:

Into The Mire

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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M. Night Skymall posted:

This was a while ago but I assume you were talking about what is now the latest non-patreon chapter and man, that was pretty hosed up. I feel like the story's veering a little hard into protag as a sociopath lately.

Eh

I’m assuming he’s performing for the audience. I wouldn’t feel comfortable describing the “real” Jason at this point.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Megazver posted:

Going out of your way to build up an elaborate image of yourself as a sociopathic rear end in a top hat, as he has been for the past twenty or so chapters, is hardly a sign of mental health either.

Except he also spent days at a time being kind and demonstrating empathy to the non-Essence population?

I think he’s deceptive, but I don’t know that his mental health prior to vast trauma was sociopathy, and I think he’s acted more in line with post trauma than active malevolence so far.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Because if you really liked worm and the magic of wildbow has worn off but you are still reading hoping for redemption then Taylor must be in here somewhere.

It takes a long time for people to get over wildbow and move on, and one stage of that process seems to be “Taylor will save this”

I honestly skim most posts talking about WB these days because all of my friends have finally moved on, but for a while they too looked for Taylor and that’s my best explanation for it.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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I’ve said before but it bears repeating, wildbow is a misery writer. He writes what he knows and that is apparently soul crushing depression and power fantasy that ends in even darker soul eating depression.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Obviously a goose beats both.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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madwhitesnake posted:

Hi all.

For the past year, I’ve been writing a web novel called Pith.

It’s best classified as transgender epic fantasy, with some notes from psychological horror and cyberpunk. If you like body-swapping, transhumanism, detailed magic systems, or tactical queer wizard battles, it might be up your alley. Fair warning, it’s quite dark.

Been publishing on a slow, but steady update schedule (every other Monday), though I might jump up to once a week during quarantine while I’m locked in my house with nothing to do.

If you end up reading it, I hope you find it entertaining!

This is good.

I would like to order another 500,000 pages and a few HEA.

You could probably get this looked at by tradpub.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Ytlaya posted:

- At various points a body chassis is referred to as being made of silk and gemstones, but they also obviously function as flesh and blood. Was the former just to emphasize how good they looked, or is there some special mechanic to the way people merge their pith into the bodies?

There's a scene where a body turns from manufactured to essentially biological + whatever the mystical stuff is, so the people making the custom bodies have figured out some sort of formal possibly industrial standard and process for laying in the magic that triggers a transformation/transmutation effect when a pith transfers.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Nurglings posted:

ty

I've just started reading some Xianxia novels after being "introduced" to the genre by Will Wight and his Cradle series, but the discussion on forums like Novel Updates is kinda poo poo-tier.

Check out will's discord if you haven't.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Megazver posted:

I mean, that was pretty juicy! Thanks.

Someone should start a new ranking site from scratch, what it sounds like.

So you'll have it done by Wednesday, is what I'm hearing.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Be brief. Readers grok longer sentences. They like shorter.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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violent sex idiot posted:

the most recent arc of ward is maybe the best stuff wildbow has ever written so if you like the things he writes it's probably worth catching up

If true, this is the best reason to not read wildbow the thread can offer.

Wildbow’s best isn’t great.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Sampatrick posted:

i havent read a chapter of wtc since the rape chapter and i see absolutely no reason why i should

Same

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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textbookOrigins posted:

The latest Worth the Candle chapters were a delight. I'm glad I trusted the author to handle certain subjects well enough for me and that I continue to experience joy with each update.

I'm happy for you too.

I just don't trust them to handle stuff well. It's ok to like different things.

Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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Web Serial Megathread: Wildbow is a depressing slog and I do not recommend bothering.

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Anias
Jun 3, 2010

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tithin posted:

Well that's a positive.

TWI definitely improves the further along you go with it.

Eh.

Disagree. It starts interesting then becomes sprawling and verbose and frankly worrisome as it goes along. I jumped ship when I was tired of it and have no time or interest in a second pass.

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