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Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I feel like pirateaba has figured out her one true skill is writing awesome denouments so she tries to chain them together as much as possible. This shouldn't work, but it somehow does.

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Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

The Shortest Path posted:

TWI patreon: Ahahahahahahahah get hosed Persua.

For real though that chapter was awesome.

Said chapter is now public and I concur, that was some good loving poo poo. TWI has its flaws but chapters like this one really make all the slow worldbuilding and ten billion character arcs worth it.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

The Daily Grind is the most okay web serial I've ever read. It's not bad enough to get me to stop reading it, but it's not good enough to drive me to think about it for even a second after I finish reading it. It's just something I consume due to inertia at this point I guess.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

TWI has just been knocking it out of the park with every chapter as of late, drat.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I'm telling you, pirateaba isn't human, they're some sort of robot or alien. It's the only reasonable explanation for their sheer output.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

If you must check out ONE of those, it should definitely be Paradise Lost, Diogines opus that is nearly 8 years old and still ongoing. The narrative is pretty drat good for what it is, too, so it's got quality AND quantity.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

The latest public chapter in TWI is loving great and reconfirms to me that it's not Chandrar that sucks, it's really JUST Flos.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

The answer is clearly very tiny print that you need a magnifying glass to read.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I've caught up with Dragoneye Moon and it was... Fine? It's extremely by the numbers, and only really showed some first glimpse of something more interesting in a very recent chapter. I also feel like it's kind of lame that Elaine was able to skip straight into being a Sentinel. The story makes a big show of how sexist the society is, and Elaine just kinda barely seems to feel any of it. Sure, it's the basis of her initial thrust into adventure, and occasionally she has to roll her eyes at guards at a gate or whatever, but for something that was extremely focused on it feels like it affects her less and less. You'd think the probably sexist senate and such would veto her skipping straight into one of the most powerful roles in the setting, super healer or not. Plus it would've been interesting to see her having to work with a team that may have been less overtly kind to her, maybe somewhat less competent overall. The mention of how Squad 13 seems to never make it back made me think the author was going to put her as a second in command in it, and she'd have to prove herself by saving her sexist macho teammate rangers.

But yeah honestly it's... Extremely competent, the writing has no real major flaws or anything, it's just a little bland. I feel like things generally work out too cleanly for Elaine all the drat time, especially considering how everyone around her has to twist and bend around her Oath, even if it IS super powerful numbers. The story keeps mentioning potential situations in which her Oath could severely hamper her, but they never actually HAPPEN, which makes it feel a bit toothless.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Bremen posted:

I'd probably agree with that... if Elaine had been elevated to the position of Sentinel of anything else except healing. Healing seems to be one of the professions most accepting of powerful women in the Dragoneye world, and she'd proven herself not just by her deeds but by publishing her explanation of how the body works. And remember Elaine has been constantly warned that she'll be targeted since ID shows her as a healer and healers are considered weak and easy targets; I suspect the more misogynistic members heard about appointing a woman as Sentinel of healing and thought "well, figures the weak one is their token woman; they'd never make a woman a sentinel that would actually be in charge of a fight."

See also Artemis; she got a lot of pushback about being a ranger but as soon as she decided to open a school Senators were racing to enroll their kids; I don't think it was ever specified but I'm guessing "teaching" might be another profession that's considered more acceptable for women.


But every high level, powerful healer we see has been a man except that one bard, who had to explicitly hide her gender to avoid discrimination. It might be 'acceptable' for a woman to act as a healer, but it's clearly not in the conventions of the sexist society for them to be capable of more than the basics and maybe stuff like being a midwife. It just seems weird that in this super sexist society there is this entire group of super powered people who are also coincidentally incredibly progressive and accepting despite nothing in their society supporting it. I guess maybe Night's influence rubbing off on the Ranger organization as a whole? I dunno, I expected there to be a LOT more bullshit politics and sexism that Elaine was going to have to fight through before becoming a Sentinel, feels like she got it WAY too easily. If this author didn't seem to shy away from long term bad things happening (and if web novel readers didn't cry every time it happens) I'd expect the situation to be setup for a fall at some point, that's how rushed it feels.


LLSix posted:

Bad things happen quickly or off-screen in BTDEM, but they do happen.


Maybe I notice it more because I write the same way. I don’t enjoy writing about bad things happening so I get them over with as quickly as I can.

Lava challenges Elaine’s authority at every opportunity, and clearly just because she’s a woman. Almost every encounter with guards starts off negative despite Elaine having lots of advantages with dealing with guards. Largely because of their toxic so-called masculinity.

Mid-story Elaine was kidnapped, beaten, and repeatedly threatened with rape just for refusing to marry a rich jerk.

Too many other examples to write them all out.

Besides that mid-story example, every issue with ingrained cultural rampant sexism Elaine has is dealt with by the ultra progressive people around her passing over it to no issue, from her parents, to Artemis, to the Ranger Squad as a whole... Speaking of that mid-story example, anyone else find it weird (relatively recent spoilers) how they brought back Kerberos just to have Elaine kill him? It felt like that plotline was more or less over and done with. Something about that chapter felt really off to me for some reason that I can't quite put into words. It feels like the author wanted to close off a loose end and did it in a rather rushed fashion, I guess? I think it'd have made more sense for Kerberos to have had to kneel to Elaine's authority eventually, it just doesn't feel like a natural progression of Elaine's character to finish that plotline with extreme violence. It'd also have made more sense for him to never show up again, I suppose.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I feel like TWI proves that people don't mind a slow paced plot, and that it has several advantages over a fast paced one. I find that I care about nearly every TWI character to some extent, whereas it's hard to care about most people in BDM. Not saying that every web novel needs to have the ultra glacial pace of TWI, just that it has its advantages. I also agree with the posters above that BDM has felt kinda rushed lately, hopefully it improves in this new arc.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Velius posted:

I’m trying to think of who in TWI I don’t care about. Laken for sure, probably the various witches since I skipped the Laken chapters they were introduced in, maybe Fiorre or whatever and her family for similar reasons to the witches. There’s a theme of “non-Innkeeper Earthlings are bad” except I don’t mind all the other ones at all. Maybe it’s that Ryoka and Laken are bad and boring and it infects all their side characters too? Even Flos is less bad than Laken, at least we got the fun underground city visit out of that, and Imhotep.

Laken kinda sucks but the Witches are cool and increasingly important so it might be worth going back and reading their stuff.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Only pirateaba can accidentally write most of a Nanowrimo in three loving days. Great chapter(s) though.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Argue posted:

Oh wow, that's an interesting setup for future adventures. So my guesses for where they might end up are BIG PATREON ENDING SPOILERS Yvlon -> wherever the King of Duels is, Ceria -> wherever Gazi is, Pisces -> near Khelt or the hollowed out Old One, Ksmvr -> slavers

Also, congrats! Is that the only one, aside from the one Podium sent to scarra?

It'd be cool if at least one of them ended up near Pomle. Maybe Yvlon? It seems like learning some martial arts would really help out with the realization she may as well fight with her magic metal arms rather than a sword. Also I hope that, unlikely though it may be, none of them end up near Flos. But one of them probably will, because... Flos, I guess.

I'm a little disappointed NO ONE important died in the ultra deadly raid. Like, I know TWI has a very low mortality rate in general, but it really seemed like they could've killed SOME D-list characters. gently caress, even the goddamn just introduced prince guy got to live! He would've been so easy to kill for drama!

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

tithin posted:

There's a few chapters in book 2 where Ryoka basically theorycrafts the max level is 100, but it's split between all the classes an individual holds and that the stronger individuals, specialise in a single class.

Consolidations wise, the levels seem to be added together, but you end up at a lower level than both of them combined

Even that is pretty much just a total theory, considering how ridiculous some of the oldest characters can be I suspect levels can get pretty nuts. It seems like there is both an overall level scaling and a per-class level scaling, so people slow down their gains both when they have a lot of overall levels and when they have a lot of levels in one specific class. I think at one point it was stated that the average person has like 4 levels in 6 classes or something silly like that.

It's also entirely possible Aba isn't the spreadsheet litrpg type and the numbers are largely arbitrary and in favor of the narrative.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

tithin posted:

The latest twi patreon has an egregious skyrim reference

It's really overdone too. If it had been just the one line it'd have been one thing, but MAN does it ever outlive its welcome. On the other hand the Ksmvr vs golems fight scene is actually really good, for a pirateaba fight scene anyways.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

OVDT is quickly becoming one of my new favorites, I just wish the chapters were a little bit longer. It's entirely possible I am spoiled rotten by the superhuman writing speed of pirateaba though.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Pirate's ability to make a character who was previously shown as a xenophobic emotionless mass murderer into someone approaching likeable is frankly incredible. I can't wait until inevitably Tyrion actually is forced to interact peacefully with a goblin due to Wandering Inn shenanigans. It might take a while, but I have no doubt it'll happen at some point.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

So I decided to read Tower of Somnus because of this thread and man it has some good ideas and all but I really wish the author didn't spend so much time on overly long and complex fight scenes. Like, one every now and then is fine, but it feels like the author is scared to go two chapters without someone getting stabbed. It's a little exhausting.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Jazerus posted:

i found a fun new story that doesn't seem to be getting a lot of attention but it's pretty good, called Wizard Space Program

it's about a wizard in a medieval fantasy world who decides he's going to establish wizard NASA after an unfortunate levitation accident takes him into the stratosphere. it's written by a physicist so there's a lot of attention to detail and imaginative stuff about using a well-defined magic system to substitute for technology

This definitely feels written by a physicist, for better or worse. It feels weirdly technical even when it's describing fantasy crystal bullshit and the plot appears to have... Effectively no stakes? It's also paced very strangely. It's interesting, for sure, but I dunno if I'd say it makes for a good story.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Jazerus posted:

i love TWI so take my opinion on pacing and stakes through that lens, but honestly i think that often a story starting slow and low-stakes, and staying that way for a long time, is really important for the health of the story as a whole if the author plans to expand the scope and up the stakes from an initially humble beginning. you care a lot more about some big event happening to characters you've read 50 chapters about than you do 1 or 2 chapters in.

the very first sentence does say that this is the start of "the most transformative era for all of ikyu" so somehow i don't think our heroes are going to be hanging out in vaughan's house tinkering without any conflict (apart from loss of life and limb to magic science) forever. it's, what, 8 chapters so far?

I find that I can't adequately explain my issues with it, it just felt kinda dry and boring. I dunno. I also feel like that first chapter felt bizarrely rushed, as if the author was impatient to get to the physics parts, and the first chapter of any web novel really needs to immediately draw attention.

And for what it's worth I also love TWI, but even TWI understands you need a strong opening chapter, even if it kinda flounders a bit after it before finding its footing.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Larry Parrish posted:

I liked it enough to sub for the Patreon. It's probably my favorite litrpg besides TWI and ar'kendrythist. Pretty much entirely because the numbers and poo poo are just there for context. Holy God if I get tricked into one more tabletop nerds theorycraft session disguised as a novel I'm going to actually kill someone.

Hey, I wanna ask you a question: Since we were pretty in agreement on two of these novels I decided to check out ar'kendrythist and... I dunno if it gets better later or what, but I finished book 1 and I feel largely unimpressed? The main character rockets to ridiculously overpowered incredibly fast and the plot moves at a very strange pace where the author will spend 3 chapters going over the minutia of some of the mechanics of the world and then rapidly rush through what should be an important character moment in a single one. It also goes pretty heavy into pointless math and blue boxes, with a significant dose of in-universe minmaxing. I'm willing to accept that it may just have a bad start, but maaaan.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I suppose I'll persevere with Ark for a while longer then, it just really really lost me when it spent nearly an entire chapter talking about mana regeneration rates in excruciating mathematical detail. But if it lets down on that garbage later on it might be fine.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Consider this another +1 for 12 Miles Below, it's been some really good poo poo so far. Good spread of worldbuilding and combat, and the author can REALLY write a good and snappy fight scene, unlike a lot of other serials I could name *coughtowerofsomnuscough*

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Peachfart posted:

The latest TWI Patreon is 38000 words over two chapters because Pirateaba was 'on a roll'.
lol

Pirateaba is a completely insane person. It has been stated before, but stunts like this really make it worth repeating. Christ, I don't think I can write that many words in a goddamn month.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

drat, the latest TWI chapter owns. I always love the goblin-centric chapters.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Reading it I was mostly just annoyed at how very quickly he became comically overpowered. It didn't sound like people from different dimensions were unheard of at the start of the story, so his ability to fundamentally alter the nature of magic with high school physics felt extremely ridiculous. I don't mind slice of life stories, what I mind is that, as far as I read, it felt like Erick could do no wrong and would always be able to significantly improve whatever he chose to mess with for no particular reason. It just felt like trashy power level Isekai, only applied to non-violent ends, which is still trashy.

Infinity Gaia fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Oct 26, 2021

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Gravesong was pretty good! I don't have a clue if it's really capable of standing on its own (as slow as the early bits are, it still feels rather rushed considering all the detail we have from the main novel) but as a mega chapter it was A++.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

A big flaming stink posted:

lmao, 40000 words from pirateaba about the horrors of war

It's barely even worth mentioning anymore. You could tell me pirateaba wrote any number of words in half a week and I'd believe you. What's that, an entire three volume series written in 4 days? Yeah, sure, sounds like pirateaba.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Starting to get a bit concerned with the direction the Antinium plot is going in TWI, feels like bad times ahead.

Inventing hell and then subsequently making it real? Boy, the dead-ish gods must be going crazy about the concept right now.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

There's a relatively small early chapter of TWI up for Patrons. Why? Because pirateaba is insane and going to attempt to publish a chapter a day this week.

Also I call it relatively small because it's still 13k words.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

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Christ. (TWI patreon) I can see what Ryoka was trying to do there, and I appreciate it, but I really don't think she considered the full ramifications of failure enough. The level of absolute chaos that's going to ensue from this is going to be catastrophic. I don't think she had the wrong idea, necessarily, but I think she really could've tried some more diplomacy before going for the lightsaber.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

lmao (TWI 8.74) Well that's one way to make the potential relationship between Tyrion and Ryoka less creepy, I guess? Still incredibly funny.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Finally got around to reading all of Beware of Chicken. drat, this is really good, no wonder it hit number 1 on whatever that was. Now I have a hunger for other nonstandard cultivation stuff, going through Virtuous Sons and seems pretty good so far, good dynamic between the two main characters. I feel like it kinda half-asses the greco-roman cultivation conversion in some places but overall it definitely feels fresh. Any other nonstandard cultivation stuff folks can recommend?

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

nrook posted:

Oh yeah, if you’re looking for stuff that’s different in the Beware of Chicken sense (xianxia setting, but different genre), there’s a surprising amount of Chinese romance xianxia targeting a female demographic. I enjoyed reading Ascending, Do Not Disturb in translation. There’s BL xianxia too but I don’t know anything about it.

I don’t know of much Western fiction of this type, though there is When Immortal Ascension Fails Time Travel to Try Again; no romance yet from what I’ve read but a similar vibe.

I tried reading the latter but it felt pretty stiff and rushed. Reading it felt like a cliff notes of a story and it isn't as funny as it thinks it is. I'll give the first one a try but the translated Chinese stuff always reads kinda off to me. I think in general what I like about stuff like Beware of Chicken and Virtuous Sons is how they use the cultivation concepts without getting stuck in the weeds of specific training methods and pills and ranks and all that. One of my friends recommended This Young Master Isn't Cannon Fodder to me and that was an egregious example of proper noun spew, for instance. Another thing I think I like about BoC and Virtuous Sons is how grounded they are. The dynamic duo in VS is constantly in over their heads, and while every main character in BoC is kinda OP they're generally chill and nice about it.

Oh and uh funnily enough it was me being kinda disappointed by Millennial Mage that made me go and read BoC. It had a solid start but I dunno something about the general pretty rapid speed of development left me kinda cold. Interesting system though.

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Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Fear not the man who has written 1000 different web novels, fear the one who has written the same web novel 1000 times.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

TWI Patreon Good lord the gods are dumb as hell. No wonder they lost a billion years ago. Oh well it's an excuse for a big drat ghost fight scene so it's hard to complain too much.

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I would like to lodge a formal complaint towards everyone that pointed me towards The Essence of Cultivation. Not because it's bad, it's really quite good, but because the author has put out a total of 22 chapters in 2 years with multiple hiatuses. Why would you all saddle me with such a curse, you monsters?

Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

Huh, so BoC is hopping on the Kindle Unlimited train afterall. I know it's a very good deal for the authors but I always feel a little conflicted about it. Makes it harder to recommend things to friends when there's an actual entry cost, and I just know I'm going to be late to the party on some excellent novel or another and simply never try it due to not having the first volume. Which are both very selfish reasons, don't get me wrong, I'm just venting a bit.

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Infinity Gaia
Feb 27, 2011

a storm is coming...

I feel like Ave Xia Rem Y is done a serious disservice by its title. The story, while not exceptionally out of the ordinary is not average and there has yet to be much of a harem at all. Then again it is pretty slow paced so the harem might still be a possibility at some point, although Liu Jin... Certainly strikes me as the kind of person who would really hate having a harem.

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