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Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Larry Parrish posted:

Stuff that I've read lately:



Beneath the Dragoneye Moons - Standard isekai, kind of like how Beware of Chicken is in many ways a standard xianxia. Much like that one it's a hell of a lot more captivating than I would normally find such a standard genre fiction. It has a fairly gritty and depressing setting, but with a relentless tone of youthful optimism. I like it a lot.


Not a ton to say, besides I'm the author, and love that you like it! Thank you!

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Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Cicero posted:

Is this serial good?

No serial is better.

The author's also incredibly good-looking and smart.

(It's mine)

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Larry Parrish posted:

o in conclusion the anime poisoned populace of royalroad should be shot into space

Dibs on pressing the button first

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Onean posted:

I was looking forward to one too, but this first foray as a Sentinel has been fun, although (Patreon chapters) this run of cliffhangers isn't as fun. :argh:

Blame the beta readers. It started as two chapters... it got longer.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Argue posted:

I opened the first chapter of Dragoneye but the first thing the reincarnation deity did was wipe the MC's knowledge of chemistry, physics, and even just the scientific method in general, and that sort of anachronistic knowledge is what I live for in an isekai story. I take it it's safe for me to not read it? Or does the story involve reclaiming this knowledge?

MC still has a bunch of literary and medical knowledge. She can tell you what glasses are, but has no idea how they work.

AKA no Isekai uplifting nonsense. I am so sick of those.

Apart from the medical variety.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Cicero posted:

It's true though that the plague town arc was loving dope, really hard to top that.

I completely agree.
Also, the current arc being posted is basically "peak burnout", because I was dying after the Ranger Academy arc conclusion.
That one was hard to properly balance. On one hand, I wanted to show Elaine doing stuff. On the other, I knew none of the side characters would be around at the end of it. Difficult to properly pull off an arc when most of the characters are going to poof.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

nessin posted:

I'd say most web serials and even a lot of the comparable stuff that get's published (Gamelit and similar) are all glacially paced compared to most non-that novels (I wanted to say traditional but that's not really the right word). Sure TWI may be an extreme example of it but just look at Dragoneye Moon, it's currently the length of somewhere between four to seven average fantasy novels. It may look fast paced compared to TWI but it's slow as hell compared to the average published novel. You could easily make the case that web serials (and I'd say fan fiction at large), as a whole, are basically a niche built around slow pacing relative to published books.

Even including stat sheets which pad my word count (not huge amounts, but it's there), I'm at "only" 450k words, which is 3-4 typical novels. Like, I split them into books, and I keep each book as a standard "large" book size.

Also, while not everything I've written is published yet, I've written ~460k words, while The Way of Kings is 383k words. 372k words are currently published on RR, so yes, I'm technically shorter on RR, for like, another week.

Selkie Myth fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Mar 13, 2021

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Cicero posted:

Wait he's doing The Perfect Run and then a new serial at the same time? Is that even legal?

VoidHerald is, IMO, the best author on RR.

Sure, there's The Wandering Inn. There's Azarinth Healer. Authors that have a great story, and are successfully running strong with it.

VoidHerald consistently writes high-quality webnovels that he finishes. He's on-track to have multiple webnovels in the top 5 ranking list.
Of course, with Vigor Mortis's rise, he now needs to knock himself out of the top 5 to get there, but eh. He's got reach, and the ability to write a bunch of different things that aren't just "I hit this magic formula and I'm running with it"

The only other author I know that consistently finishes high-quality novels is Ravensdagger, but by pure numbers VoidHerald is better.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Jade Mage posted:

I read this the other day! I quite liked it until all the slime stuff... That just gives me the bad heebie-jeebies.

It's kinda suppose to I think. Vita is creepy!

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

90s Cringe Rock posted:

The funniest thing about litrpgs is when the author posts "oh poo poo I made a mistake in my spreadsheets"

I've done that.

In my defense, I've got three dozen tabs and a few hundred formulas running around. I started off with a strong organizational system, but a "quick scratch check" here and a dirty formula there, and it's become a mess.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Plorkyeran posted:

Clearly you should post the spreadsheets for the latest set of patreon chapters so that we can find all the irrelevant math errors and the places Elaine has failed to properly optimize.

too many spoilers in my spreadsheets

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

PoorWeather posted:

Anybody know any non-awful discords or just general chat spaces where web serial authors talk shop about things? The one set up here back when everyone thought the forums were going to die was really helpful to me, but it died after a few months.

The Silver Pen has a lot of RR authors.
There's a litRPG discord as well.
A lot of popular serials have a bunch of authors hanging out in them.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Onean posted:

Beneath the Dragoneye Moons Patreon
Holy poo poo.

I had been interested in seeing more of what was going on with the dwarves and being outside the Dead Zone, and was really curious about what could possibly have gone wrong causing Elaine to go missing. I expected "dragon incident" when one was brought up, but definitely not in this manner.


Glad you liked it! I can't tell you how many rounds of revision that "one" chapter got.
It was a stupid number.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

90s Cringe Rock posted:

Mangofic: most of my theories about the dead zone fall apart because of Night. I was thinking it might be a deliberate attempt to keep the dragons off?

I have no way of getting the knowledge to Elaine, and therefore no way of getting it to the readers. I'll probably announce it once.....

Hang on, RR *has* gotten that chapter.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Peachfart posted:

So I have been reading though Vigor Mortis over the past week... Is it just me, or does the author seem to have like a creepy vore fetish that comes out in her writing? Because there is a lot of eating people while they are still alive, and a lot of references to it.
Like, a lot a lot.

Unlikely. Author is asexual. She just likes writing cutely horrifying things.

Selkie Myth fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jul 13, 2021

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I am unfollowing BtDEM. That deodorant pun was a step too far.

jesus loving christ elaine

I thought it was hilarious, but then again I did write it

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Bremen posted:

And suddenly Elaine really, really regretted making that oath.

Terrible puns then epic cliffs. Getting mentioned twice in a week on SA for two totally different is quite the compliment!

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Narmi posted:

Latest TWI: Rags is going to be surprised to find everyone who can let her into the garden is gone and she's left with a very confused/angry healer to deal with.

Isn't rags already let in? I think the issue is getting the healer inside, no?

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Sampatrick posted:

Eh I kinda feel like for Royalroad specifically, if you don't hit the mega popular status after your pass out of the trending list you're kinda hosed. It's really hard to find traction after that point.

It's doable. Gotta plug away at it, build momentum, advertise, and have a good story.

I got screwed hard by the trending change - right as I was finally about to break onto the front page of trending, the algorithm changed and kicked me off forever. Still, I kept at it, and have managed to hit the front page of Popular This Week multiple times now, along with being arguably the 4th largest RR novel by the most important metric (Patreon subs)

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Bremen posted:

I think paid webnovel writing is always going to have a similar payscale to things like actors or sports players (though for the immediate future much lower all around) - the "top" or at least most well known make far more than everyone else and the rest have to struggle to find a place. After all, writing a webnovel is the same amount of work for ten paying readers as a thousand paying readers, and while it would be nice to think the cream always rises to the top really it seems like it's as much about visibility as writing a better story.

Normally you might think things would diversify, with authors splitting the audience with sci-fi, cultivation, litrpg, traditional fantasy, porn, whatever webnovels, but honestly I've kind of come to the conclusion most webnovel readers don't want something different, they just want a steady diet of decently written but broadly similiar stories, because they're familiar and comfortable.

P.S. No offense intended to Selkie, I'm a fan of BtDEM.

Oh none taken! I just wanted to counter the "If you don't get off of trending with a lot of subs you're doomed" thought that seems to circle around.

Heck, Fates Parallel will hopefully be another success story like that - the author's plugged away for months without too much success, and now is finally starting to get talked about as he has over 130 chapters.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Rob Filter posted:

That's an interesting question.

https://www.royalroad.com/pages/advertising-faq

Depending on how much you buy, its about 0.125c to 0.151c per thousand impressions which on first brush seems Very Very Good, but the click through rate of those impressions would probably be lower than the googles.

Users reading through RR will see an add at the top and bottom of every page of a web serial they read, not just on the front page and the search pages. Someone would be far more likely to click an add while they are on the front page or browsing for new stories, VS them been on like chapter 463 of defiance of the homophobic subtext as their eyes glaze past the advertisement at the bottom of the screen and auto-focus on the next page button.

RR isn't doing any evil UI design stuff to disguise their advertisements as natural results to the glazed eye either.

Yeah, I also wonder how effective these ads are. If there is anyone here with glorious glorious stats, slam them into this thread, sate its curiosity.

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Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Plorkyeran posted:

One thing I've been wondering about for a while is if RR has any plans to build their own monetization platform. Patreon doesn't have any discoverability features, so I'd assume that any new authors looking to do the RR posts + patreon advance chapters model would be perfectly happy to just do that entirely on RR instead.

They do, but it's a MASSIVE undertaking, and the ONE DEVELOPER on the team has big ambitions. I've told him that he should take small bites, and roll it out to a few select author at first while it gets sorted, but....

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

A big flaming stink posted:

gonna be insanely lmao when yet another company undergoes a complete catastrophe because they dont want to loving pay developers

To be fair, that one developer is also the co-owner.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Narmi posted:

The first chapter of Underland by Void Herald was just posted on RR, and I have to say I'm liking it a lot. It's just a really interesting premise where the MC is the descendant of a guy who got isekai'd, and wants to kinda ressurect him to ask about Earth because the world he lives in is a frozen hell. Like, the live underground and farm mushrooms (using undead workers raised through licensed necromancy) because the surface is frozen and uninhabitable. Also, he really wants to see the sun, which is a thing no living person has every done..

Also, after a three month hiatus, The Devil's Foundry by Argentorum is back! Book is done, and the first chapter of Book 2 is on RR. I really like the first book, looks like we're having a short timeskip while the MC builds up her village.

I firmly believe that Void Herald is the single best author on Royal Road, bar none. Sure, Azarinth Healer is the most weekly popular. Sure, Mecademius has two hugely popular ongoing novels. Yeah, BOC is the highest rated novel that's still going. Nobody completes high-ranking novels like Void Herald does. He has the #2, #3, and #4 spot on "Best Completed", the #11 spot on "Best Ongoing", and now has another, entirely different novel going on.

Sure, people can hit it out of the park in one specific genre, or one specific story. He's consistently hit it out of the park with multiple different types of stories. Greek litRPG, post apoc superheros, comedy dragons, and more! Not every story is for everyone, but every story is good, and seems to resonate with a lot of people.

I dunno how many other authors manage to get web comic deals, but I know he has one.

.... I want a web comic deal.


All this to say - I fully anticipate Underland will be yet another success.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

D34THROW posted:

I am loving poo poo-awful at naming things. Really wanting to get moving on my webseries but "Postapoc Project" just...doesn't have that ring to it, y'know? :bang:

In the end, as long as the name is somewhat unique, and doesn't have unfortunately "shortening", you'll be fine.

[MC's Name] and the Apocalypse - as long as MC's name is unique but not "super-unique", is a fine name, and gets shortened to [MC's Name]. BOOM. Done.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Ytlaya posted:

Cat still needs to figure out how to "use" those stories, I think. I also imagine that Neshamah has some sort of plan that goes beyond "assuming he can just let loose because Below's stories are gone."

drat, that's a shame. The curse of fantasy/sci-fi writing, where like 95% of the authors have terrible politics (and the ones that don't are usually pretty bad in some other way).

edit: One thing that I had noticed as a sort of red flag but was waiting to see where it went was the stuff with the addict guy. "Nerd fiction" is frequently terrible with the subject of addiction (including otherwise "progressive" stuff, since it usually isn't under the umbrella of what your average liberal considers Things I Should Care About), and this is no exception to that.

Related - I'm getting a bit roasted for my MC's ethics not being exactly the same as what people consider to be "Typically good". Like, Elaine is pretty darn close to pure-driven snow in the ethics department, at least as far as litRPG protags go, but I've been getting quite a lot of flak for Elaine on Patreon going "Hey, body snatchers are people as well, and I shouldn't wholesale massacre them when I see them. It wasn't their fault for being born that way. Now, I don't like them, and if I can find an excuse I'll use it, but I won't wantonly massacre them."

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Narmi posted:

Bit of an odd question, but I've been thinking about this for awhile; authors, how would you feel if someone sent you a book cover fanart? One of the series I'm following on RR wrapped up its first arc, and I decided to make some covers for fun. They ended up pretty nice IMO, and I thought about sending it to the author, but it seems a bit like I'd be overreaching. The series' author doesn't really interact with readers much, so I'm not sure how they'd take it.

I'd love it! I'd think of it as "fanart" though, not "Potential cover art". Then again, I spend a looooooooooot on my covers, so I'm in a weird spot

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013


Pirateaba: Hey! Patreon only announcement! Please don't leak it to the general public.
Peachfart: Lol nah lemme just spread patreon-only content all over

>_>

Comeon. People generally don't spoil other creator's patreon-exclusive content, why you gotta do it here?

Selkie Myth fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Dec 21, 2021

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Narmi posted:

Last Beneath the Dragoneye Moons chapter: if Elaine ever comes across the trolley problem, she's screwed.

Also, Deeds, not Words went in a weird direction with the main character getting married to someone his (new) age, and totally not being a pedophile, but also yeah he's kinda a pedophile.

Wait for the next chapter - what happened will be clearly explained.

But yes, Elaine + Trolley problem is a significant issue for her.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Wittgen posted:

What's interesting to me is that Elaine does get to make moral judgements as she likes. She just gets body slammed by magic if she fails to answer one correctly. But what is correct depends on her personal morals, so it can be a moving target and she has to be on her toes.

Big Patreon spoilers.
She can commit mad war crimes with no penalty if the victims are sufficiently beyond her moral event horizon.

I like this. Shows there is not a true black and white answer to ethics. It's more about living up to her own ideals.

Yeah, she's a complex and difficult character to write, and I really like what I've been able to do with ethics and morality with her, along with exposing people to the fact that *medical* ethics and normal ethics are not the same thing, and will occasionally have different answers to the same question.

It's deep and complicated, and IMO it's one of BTDEM's strengths. I'm not writing pure popcorn, some of what I write hopefully makes people stop and think.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Peachfart posted:

I would totally be down for a school from the admin side. And hell, you can put schools in your story if you want to. I just think some authors need to add their own twists on things instead of doing exactly what everyone else has done.

I want to do this! A whole Otome... from the POV of one of the professors.

"You did WHAT now? Oh jeez. These blasted princesses."

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

I'ma defend Blue Core a bit here.

Calling it "The dungeon porno" is pretty wrong. There are only a handful of sex scenes in the entire book, they're clearly marked and skippable if you want.

1) The author asked himself "How can I make curing depletion something that not everyone can have/do?" If it was just pain, money, or really anything else, there was no obstacle to entry-level Blue purifying everyone he could, which negated the threat of depletion.

2) The author intended Shayma to be the MC, and Blue as more of "This weird horror unknowable horror", then write from Blue's POV as.... "He's just a huge dork."

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

I'm up for a Stabby for Beneath the Dragoneye Moons! It's SUPER EXCITING!!

And looking at the numbers, I only need about 200 votes to win if this year's a lot like prior years in terms of turnout!

The competition is INSANELY stiff - Guide? Journey of Black and Red? Azarinth Healer? Beware of Chicken? Path of Ascension?

But I have something they don't -

Complete and utter shamelessness when asking my readers to vote for me.

ANYWAYS! I'm super excited that I managed to get nominated in the first place, and I'm sharing it everywhere

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Maguoob posted:

Missed updates is whatever, but at the very least Beware of Chicken's author does update Patreon with a general message. Some authors just flat out vanish. No message, no nothing, just stop updating. Like they don't need to get into details, just be "Hey I'm having issues and won't be able to write/post more chapters for an unknown amount of time." Though I guess social anxiety can play a big part in to that.

Also I like the person complaining about a certain author deleting reviews and then being all I read the rules. I'm fairly certain that Royal Road isn't going to see mentioning whatever amount someone makes on Patreon as a fair or valid criticism for a review on RR itself. The review has obviously been deleted and I can't go back in read it, but the person has the whole "why have I been banned?" energy when the response from mods is usually like "showing your dick on stream" or "racial slurs".

I like how that entirely misses the point that I CAN'T delete reviews.

Could you imagine if authors could delete reviews?

Also, the admins are fairly reluctant to actually delete reviews. It's gotta be really out there. I've got a bunch of reviews I don't think are fair at all, and I'd happily delete them.

Then, while I'm at it, lemme delete everything that's not 5 stars....

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Plorkyeran posted:

All the reviews of BtDEM complaining about sexism existing in fantasy rome are really loving weird, but if I hadn't started reading the series before those reviews existed it could have been an example of where the negative reviews got me to try a story because stupid complaints about things that aren't a problem usually means that the story is at least decent.

At the same time, I wish I'd known - and played - "the game" a little better when I was starting out, and had a 5-star review as my top review. The top review stays due to inertia, and I dunno how many people have gotten turned off by a 2 star review being on top. Makes me a bit sad to imagine what could've been.

Oh well. I'm doing well enough for myself. Glad to hear that they got you interested!

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

asur posted:

Her being traumatized is a cop out. She lives in a brutal society and her entire life's path is based on accidentally killing someone and then vowing that it won't happen again. That's barely a step away from allowing an entire city of innocent people to die. It's not against her oath, but it sure seems out of character.

There's also next to no acknowledgement of her leaving everyone to die. It's not like she really debates it, she just runs away. She runs away because she's tired after going a murder streak, meets up with the elves who specifically ask her to stay and try to save the hosts because they can only kill everyone which they're going to do, and then she says no without a second thought and leaves. It's a pretty stunning back track for a character who is constantly diving into situations to heal people.

The slaves in Remus aren't even remotely comparable on a scale of suffering and she's from Earth. I seem to remember her outright rejecting slavery while acknowledging that she doesn't have the power to change Remus. That isn't true here, she has the power to change the life of every host in that city and free them.

Maybe I'm over emphazing the Earth viewpoint, but I really can't see anyone from what appears to be a western country accepting shimagu slavery as remotely acceptable and I think most people would view it as worse than death as it appears that they never let you go.


Just to be clear, I actually thought the storyline was interesting up until the part that she bails. The shimagu potentially not being evil was an interesting twist as it applied it her Oath and she evolves her beliefs and Oath based on what she find, though shimagu being entirely evil is a bit of a downer.


The last driving part you're missing is Elaine's a Sentinel, after having spent years as a Ranger. They're the ones that STOP people doing this sort of thing. She actively fought against Hesoid in the plague arc, who was busy killing off an entire city.

And that's exactly what Elaine was doing. Wholesale slaughter of civilians, nevermind that they're evil body snatchers. (I should've added in a few "kid shimagu" to drive the point home... she's not killing the warriors, and the worst of the slavers, she's killing off every single shimgu in a city, and a quarter of the elvenoid population is dying in the chaos/elves/high level shimagu fighting crossfire)

I tried to make it clear that she was of two mindsets - There's the "Sentinel Dawn", who insists on going back into the city, and finishing the job, like you say. Then there's "Healer Elaine", who holds life to be sacred.

I was slowly building the dissonance between the two mindsets, only for Elaine to get utterly trapped between them. She's damned if she does, and damned if she doesn't.

And... she runs away. She finds a way to somewhat, awkwardly, reconcile the two mindsets, by GTFOing, and reporting it all back.

But yes - a few people have mentioned that it's a little out of character for her, and I'll grant you it's a bit weird.

But I posit that any choice made is out of character, given the options. I try to make my stories "real" in a sense, and finding herself in a situation with no good answers or choices is life IMO.

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

I hope that Prac Guide gets even the most basic editing/proofreading pass now that it's done. I think my dad would really enjoy the story if he wasn't being tilted out of his chair by the typos and other errors.

It will be

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013



I do know that a large number of publishers would absolutely salivate over Guide though.

Selkie Myth fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Feb 23, 2022

Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Rob Filter posted:

I've recently dived into the royal road forums, and I return with links to a few interesting threads.

Firstly, RR still doesn't have any LGBT+ tags, so as a replacement people on the forums have created a thread to index LGBT+ works here: https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/108535 .

Secondly, this guide by TheFirstDefilier (aka writer of defiance of the fall), talks about how the web novel business model works. It's a grim and fascinating look into how the big stories on RR are shaped by the commercial pressures of the web novel medium: https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

While we're at it, I wrote my own guide, which links to not only TheFirstDefier's guide, but also links Shirtaloon's and Pirate's guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1O29fCQIg_onlh2SwIr54SXdApLGK-mlcsuDFrH6GgzE/edit

We say a lot of similar things

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Selkie Myth
May 25, 2013

Yeah, all of this annoys me as well. It's why I'm doing my own thing.

I'm currently (literally, let myself get distracted as I'm doing it) in the middle of building out three dozen different(ish... I'm shamelessly reusing in a few places because there's only so many) methods of government and ways of thinking, and WHOOOF it's a challenge.

Right now I have 438 different territories/cities/points of interest that I need to work out.... and that's only halfway through the list, still building the framework.

I'm determined to do this *right*

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