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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice



David Simon (The Wire, Treme, Show Me a Hero) is teaming up with HBO once again with his new series The Deuce, a retro series that goes back to New York's emerging pornography scene in the 1970's. The cast is chock full of talent, with some regulars from Simon's previous shows, other HBO alumni, and James Franco.

Premieres September 10th, 2017

Edit: Or apparently you can watch it now on HBO On Demand if you're in the States, however it does not appear to be on TMN Go for Canadians

Trailer 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7YMlL8x8GE
Trailer 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dvpkyRx_ak

Main Character Bios (shamelessly stolen from Wikipedia):


James Franco as Vincent Martino and Frankie Martino, twin brothers operating out of Times Square who become fronts for the Mob.



Maggie Gyllenhaal as Eileen "Candy" Merrell, a Times Square sex worker with an entrepreneurial spirit who is drawn into the emerging pornography industry.



Gbenga Akinnagbe (The Wire) as Larry Brown, an intense and demanding pimp who physically intimidates his stable of women but also has moments that betray a conflicted, underlying humanity.



Chris Bauer (The Wire) as Bobby Dwyer, Vincent and Frankie Martino’s brother-in-law, a construction foreman and family man whose eyes are opened by their adventures along the Deuce.



Gary Carr as C.C.



Chris Coy as Paul Hendrickson, a kindred spirit to Vincent Martino and a veteran bartender who pursues his own personal and professional ambitions in the emerging gay, lesbian and transsexual community of ’70s New York.



Dominique Fishback (Show Me a Hero) as Darlene, a young, sweet-natured prostitute who’s trying to survive on the street while under the thumb of a volatile, violent pimp.



Lawrence Gilliard Jr. (The Wire) as Chris Alston, an NYPD patrolman.



Margarita Levieva as Abigail "Abby" Parker, an adventurous college student who strikes up a relationship with Vincent.



Emily Meade (The Leftovers) as Lori


Mustafa Shakir as Big Mike, a man of few words, a physically imposing loner who becomes Vincent’s primary muscle and fiercely devoted friend.


Thaddeus Street as Black Franki, a Vietnam veteran, gun seller turned Enforcer


Daniel Sauli as Tommy Longo, a low level mobster, usually seen collecting from Franki following a big win


Anwan Glover as Leon, diner owner, cook, Woman Respector

Recurring Character Bios:

Daniel Sauli as Tommy Longo
David Krumholtz as Harvey Wasserman
Don Harvey as Danny Flanagan
Jamie Neumann as Ashley
Ralph Macchio as Officer Haddix
, a jaded vice cop patrolling Times Square in the corrupt police force of 1970s New York.
Zoe Kazan as Andrea, Vincent's wife
James Ciccone as Carmine Patriccia, a mob underboss who works out of a Mulberry Street street social club and is one big rung above Rudy Pipilo.
Garry Pastore as Matthew Ianniello, the Genovese Family crime boss who ran the Times Square porn industry during the 1970s and 1980s.
Finn Robbins as Adam, son of Maggie Gyllenhaal's character, Eileen "Candy" Merrell.
[b]Aaron Dean Eisenberg as Todd Lang
, a classically trained, but starving actor, Todd has had a few successes. To make ends meet, he starts acting in a few porn films, and quickly finds a home. For now.





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General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

For the argument is indeed trivial, but not so the separate wills thereby made manifest.


The Poop

shadok
Dec 12, 2004

You tried to destroy it once before, Commodore.
The result was a wrecked ship and a dead crew.

Fun Shoe

I first read about this show when the people behind the "The Rialto Report" blog were asked to be consultants on it, to help the producers get the 70s Times Square atmosphere authentic.

NSFW - THIS IS A BLOG ABOUT VINTAGE AMERICAN HARD CORE PORNOGRAPHY
http://www.therialtoreport.com/2017/06/03/the-deuce-2/

It could be really good. There are definitely a lot of crazy stories that could be told set in that era. Like a super-sleazy "Mad Men".

theblackw0lf
Apr 14, 2003

"...creating a vision of the sort of society you want to have in miniature"

First episode is already out on HBO On Demand.

It's really good. Those of us in The Wire thread were quite pleased.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."


Watched the first episode earlier and really enjoyed it. I think it has a chance to be bigger than Simon's other shows - it's just as intelligent as those, but less dry and more entertaining. Gyllenhaal is excellent while Franco is a blast.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice

That's great to hear, since the only piece I've read about it says that it's good but doesn't go into much detail (and left me questioning if the author actually saw it).

Deuce
Jun 18, 2004
Mile High Club

What

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


Pimps, hos and James Francos

First episode was amazing, the recreation of the city/period is just excellent.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice


They made a show about your posting!

Can anyone who has watched the first episode suggest a witty thread title for me to request? Those two words look so weird

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013


Professor Shark posted:

They made a show about your posting!

Can anyone who has watched the first episode suggest a witty thread title for me to request? Those two words look so weird

The Deuce: Full Of Shitposts

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


Professor Shark posted:

They made a show about your posting!

Can anyone who has watched the first episode suggest a witty thread title for me to request? Those two words look so weird

You could probably pull something out of that conversation about Nixon being a pimp.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004

"Why is it blue?"
"It's always blue."


Some potential quotes for thread titles:

"Do not gently caress with President Reggie Love."
"I know a few Vietnam words. That poo poo's like a cousin to Chinese."
"Don't you want to be a part of something bigger, huh?"
"I'm a sporting man. Ain't no sport in this."
"His girls got daddy issues." "Don't we all?"
"Objecto-who?"

physeter
Jan 24, 2006

high five, more dead than alive

I liked it and will keep watching. I usually hate Gyllenhaal but thought she did a great job. But I thought James Franco was kind of awful. He's just too smug to play a hapless mook, and it oozes out of him no matter how hard he tries.

It's almost a shame that Bobby Cannavale got toxxed by Vinyl, because he'd be goddamned perfect for Franco's role.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

No whammy, no whammy, no whammy...

Man, this show is depressing as gently caress, but casting D'Angelo Barskdale as the earnestly optimistic beat cop was a ray of light in this greasy rear end 70s backdrop. That shoe shine scene was great. I can't wait to watch the rest.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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Repeating what I said in general tv chat regarding the ending:

"that ending "

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice

I call for Spoiler Rules until the episode airs

Edit: Holy crap, they filmed the pilot in Oct 2015?!

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Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004
LUKE SKYWALKER FUCKS REY AND SHE CALLS HIM DADDY


Why didn't anyone tell me David Simon and James Franco teamed up on an HBO series?

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.


It was good, but it only gave hints at where the plot may go. 70s NYC was depressing as gently caress apparently. Soundtrack is fantastic, hope they can keep it up. So many Wire alum.

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Harton
Jun 13, 2001

Jesus Christ man, there's just some things you don't talk about in public!

Bird in a Blender posted:

It was good, but it only gave hints at where the plot may go. 70s NYC was depressing as gently caress apparently. Soundtrack is fantastic, hope they can keep it up. So man Wire alum.

Yeah it wasn't bad but it didn't hook me after the first episode. I'll keep watching because of Dave Simon but it woulda been nice to see a sign of what the stakes are gonna be.

Was droopy tits really handling that dick or you think it was a prop? This was really the only question I had after it was over.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.


I have a feeling all of the dicks are props, but I'm not about to do some deep investigation into it.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


So is this gonna be like a good version of Vinyl?

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.


Martman posted:

So is this gonna be like a good version of Vinyl?

So far it's a little more subtle and inherently more interesting. There's still some eye-rolling stuff (everyone acting like Franco's character invented the idea that sex sells) but it's obviously being handled by the people who did The Wire and Treme.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008




College Slice

Wait people will pay money for sex?

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003



Bird in a Blender posted:

I have a feeling all of the dicks are props, but I'm not about to do some deep investigation into it.

I figured that all of the "handled" dicks are props. Honestly, I'd say the only real dick in the episode was the fat guy's.

Lurks Morington
Aug 6, 2016

by Smythe


The shoeshine scene was great. Looking forward to the next ep

TheOmegaWalrus
Feb 3, 2007


David Simon is back, baby.

I loved everything about this goddamn episode. The Deuce is shaping up to be the follow-up that Treme should have been. 70's New York was a chaotic, filthy, but very human place to reside in, and the pains to bring this experience to the viewer are subtle and elegant. From the ambient (terrifying) noise of a sleeping city, to the sunrise or the show-don't-tell method of introducing the various institutions, this is masterwork television inside and out.

The hardest thing about this show is that episode 2 comes out in like two weeks.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice

I liked Treme, but never finished it. The characters were great, but something wasn't clicking. I hope this does!

Lurks Morington
Aug 6, 2016

by Smythe


Treme didn't stick with me as much as the wire did. I liked the chef plot, there were naked chicks with the real estate huckster, and the trumpet jazz guy was neat when he wasn't arguing with Lester. Lester as the Native American marching band man kinda lost me, as did John goodmans arc. Stoner band man was not my poo poo at all. The show felt slow when it was the parts I cared less about

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Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice

I really want to go back and watch the entire series.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Grimey Drawer

1970s New York is a disgusting mess.

Bird in a Blender
Nov 17, 2005

It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.


Treme suffered in seasons 3 and the short season 4 because I don't think they knew where to take the characters. Seasons 1 and 2 were really good though.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


withak posted:

1970s New York is a disgusting mess.

60s-80s NYC is like my favorite loving era of aesthetic in movies, rivaled only by pre-handover Hong Kong action movies and maybe 80s LA (think Repo-Man, Terminator). Stuff like The French Connection, Midnight Cowboy, Taxi Driver, etc aren't just great movies on their own they're elevated by the environment. They've done a good job on this show of emulating it, that's for sure. Like you could catch some airborne STD just from walking down the street. Can't wait to see more of it.

side_burned
Nov 3, 2004

My mother is a fish.

Milo and POTUS posted:

60s-80s NYC is like my favorite loving era of aesthetic in movies, rivaled only by pre-handover Hong Kong action movies and maybe 80s LA (think Repo-Man, Terminator). Stuff like The French Connection, Midnight Cowboy, Taxi Driver, etc aren't just great movies on their own they're elevated by the environment. They've done a good job on this show of emulating it, that's for sure. Like you could catch some airborne STD just from walking down the street. Can't wait to see more of it.

I know exactly what you mean. One of these days I need to sit down and write something about what I think about the gentrification that has happened in the last thirty years; I don't think the cities are worse because of gentrification but they are different. If I was given a monkey's paw and I knew that my wish to make NYC affordable again meant the return of the grime and crime that is seen in those films, I would still be very very tempted to make that wish.That is coming from a person who has lived their entire life in small-towns and suburbs and plots their escape to a real city.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Anybody remotely interesting is mad in some way or another.


At the risk of being the white dude from La La Land, I think the idea with Treme was to make it like jazz - kinda chaotic and frenzied but when it works it's unbelievably good and even when it doesn't it's bizarrely compelling. It fit nicely with the weird disconnect of living in Post-Katrina New Orleans where everybody is just trying to make sense of an entirely nonsensical situation. So you have these varied, interesting (and often frustrating) characters living their lives, doing their thing etc but no overarching story or narrative holding it all together. I found it fascinating to watch on an episode by episode basis, but it never really grabbed me the same way that other stuff Simon has done did, because it lacked that sense of focus (which Show Me A Hero had in spades).

Absolutely agree with others about 70s NYC being an amazing aesthetic to explore - but then Treme had a fantastic visual and aural "look" to it too with all the issues listed above, so I'm hoping that they can keep the ensemble cast thing going without getting lost along the way.

shadok
Dec 12, 2004

You tried to destroy it once before, Commodore.
The result was a wrecked ship and a dead crew.

Fun Shoe

shadok posted:

I first read about this show when the people behind the "The Rialto Report" blog were asked to be consultants on it, to help the producers get the 70s Times Square atmosphere authentic.

The Rialto Report just released a new podcast about The Deuce,

quote:

On today’s Rialto Report, we speak to three people involved in the making of ‘The Deuce’:

One of the show’s producers, Marc Henry Johnson, who knew the real-life twins who Vincent and Frank were based on, talks about coming up with the original idea for the show;

One of the writers, Megan Abbott, talks about creating the various characters that populate the series;

And Michelle MacLaren, who directed the first and last episodes of the first season, talks about the challenges of recreating 1970s Times Square on location in modern day New York.

NSFW - THIS IS A BLOG ABOUT VINTAGE AMERICAN HARD CORE PORNOGRAPHY
http://www.therialtoreport.com/2017/09/03/the-deuce-3/

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012



College Slice

I don't know how many other posters are waiting for the first episode to premiere, but I wouldn't be doing my part as a Kevin Evangelist if I didn't suggest watching The Leftovers while you wait!

timp
Sep 18, 2007

Everything is in my control


Lipstick Apathy

Watched the pilot tonight, loved it

Much like these ladies of the night are whores for money, I am a whore for HBO prestige period dramas

Mooktastical
Jan 8, 2008


Grimey Drawer

The Something Awful Forums> The Finer Arts> The TVIV> The Duece: "Hey, you want the rest of the pizza?"

Paying a hooker to watch a movie you've already seen is the gooniest thing I could ever think of. I love you, David Simon.

life is killing me
Oct 28, 2007



I usually hate James Franco but I have to admit I love him in this. He does kind of fail, as one poster pointed out, at playing a hapless loser kind of guy, but he excels at playing a smarmy gambling rear end in a top hat. I still don't care for Maggie Gyllenhaal, though.

I found the show compelling enough to keep watching for now, at least. I'm not sure where exactly it's going but I hope it segues into porn where the girls are ostensibly treated better than the pimps treat them and making more money.

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widunder
May 2, 2002


Nobody does men sitting outside in cold weather talking better than David Simon.

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