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I guess I should chime in because I feel partially responsible for the wagon forming on Keane, which started after I asked him to clarify his claim. chaoslord posted:I'm gonna ##vote Keane Go back to page 2 and read the posts that follow Kash’s apparent “murder”. A few people (myself included) clearly did not realize that Kash wasn’t in the game. In fact, neither Kash’s “murder” or Keane’s claim were mentioned again until I quoted Keane’s post on page 6 and asked him for more information about his n0 action. Which makes me think that Keane’s post wasn’t even on anyone’s radar until I brought it up. I’m also not reading RF as overly suspicious. It just seems like he’s trying to move the game forward, which I always appreciate. There are way too many lurkers right now, which means the scum are likely hiding in the shadows, waiting for a wagon to form so they can jump on it. For the moment, I am not in favor of either of lynching either of them.
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Somberbrero posted:this is the post that seems to have generated the most reaction so let's start there. i get why people are casing keane off of this, it's a lot of cavalier non-calls. He's not pushing an actual candidate though. He says my reaction is weird, but not only does he refuse to clarify, he doesn't actually call it scummy or call me scum. Since you have jumped on the weird train, please explain what was weird about my reaction in detail.
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okay, i want to come back to king.King Burgundy posted:There are no scum janitors in this game since one already died. this is not a useful point to make. it's obvious and irrelevant. it's quintessential fake content. when you have nothing else to say as scum, you speculate on the setup. King Burgundy posted:Scummy. King Burgundy posted:I mean, yes, it was obviously fake content, as you can tell by the context of the thread and people pretending to be their role. King Burgundy posted:Second vote, scum vote. King Burgundy posted:Ok, I think Somber just didn't grasp what was going on. i put all those together because i want to lay out the context of the following argument clearly. king uses the 'roleplay' aspect here as a shield. obviously not 100% of the above statements are in character, but king can choose what is relevant based on whatever is most convenient. i hate to dip into meta, but roleplaying doesn't feel very much like king. if he's town, why not just engage me at face value? he does pull back on me, but only once he's diffused any heat on himself. it makes me very uncomfortable that we have to ignore his early game content. preview edit: i think that's a sufficient breakdown of why your reaction was weird.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:51
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King Burgundy posted:He's not pushing an actual candidate though. He says my reaction is weird, but not only does he refuse to clarify, he doesn't actually call it scummy or call me scum. yes, i agree that keane is not playing well and could explain himself better. in the context of this relatively quiet game and keane being keane i don't think that's the slam dunk you seem to think it is though.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:53
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b-minus1 posted:For the moment, I am not in favor of either of lynching either of them. i was going to ask you to clarify who you WOULD vote but i see now that it is me :v i'll reread you next.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:54
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b-minus1 posted:Go back to page 2 and read the posts that follow Kash’s apparent “murder”. A few people (myself included) clearly did not realize that Kash wasn’t in the game. I did. You're new so I'm giving you a pass on that, but I find it hard to believe experienced players would have actually thought that. And so that makes me believe Keane is suspect. I guess I should ask flerp, birb, and taste, since KB clearly did not believe it from his post. Flerp, birb, taste, did yall actually think Kash was playing and had died? b-minus1 posted:I’m also not reading RF as overly suspicious. It just seems like he’s trying to move the game forward, which I always appreciate. Exactly. Seems. He's not actually trying to move the game forward because he still has not voted or even named a candidate. That post was to make it look like he was participating without actually doing so.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:56
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b-minus1 posted:FYI I stole one of the guns normally used to kill lurkers. Not my fault, gif left the shed unlocked. I haven't decided who I'm gonna use it on, but it's not going to be pretty. probably a dumb question but is this real? b-minus1 posted:Anyone who uses more than two question marks in a single post is confirmed scum kinda scummy. throwing shade without putting any weight behind it to see if it picks up momentum? b-minus1 posted:haha, of course you're a PGO. i'm not sure why town would make this post. are you implying that keane is trying to avoid an investigation or something? it seems like scum would be more concerned about a pgo than town. b-minus1 posted:Let's have some fun on this monday morning oh so there's zero context to this vote. yeah i'd vote binus.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:57
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i have to step away for a bit but i'll be back to finish rereading later.
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Sep 11, 2017 18:57
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Somberbrero posted:okay, i want to come back to king. How is what I did not engaging you at face value? What is that supposed to mean? You didn't understand what I was doing and I explained it. What is the response you expected me to take here that you think would be "normal"? I love role playing. I do it multiple times a week. But I probably haven't done it much in mafia, given the nature of the game. I'm pretty confident I've done it briefly before too, but note, I didn't even put much effort into continuing it in this game either. Also claiming I pulled back only after diffusing heat seems like scum narrative to me. Because among other things, it all happened in the course of 6 minutes as I caught up and read. I note you don't include the post where I obviously realized you were just confused: King Burgundy posted:Somber has obviously not figured out who I am. I would actually vote Somber now for that last bit, but I like Keane better.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:00
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chaoslord posted:I did. You're new so I'm giving you a pass on that, but I find it hard to believe experienced players would have actually thought that. And so that makes me believe Keane is suspect. I guess I should ask flerp, birb, and taste, since KB clearly did not believe it from his post. i did for a second and then i looked back and saw that he was never in the game 
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Sep 11, 2017 19:02
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chaoslord posted:Exactly. Seems. He's not actually trying to move the game forward because he still has not voted or even named a candidate. That post was to make it look like he was participating without actually doing so. Yeah, the thing that is throwing me off about it, is since when does RF even care enough to do that? But it was a truly bad post.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:03
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King Burgundy posted:Yeah, the thing that is throwing me off about it, is since when does RF even care enough to do that? Even though I don't feel great about you either, I generally agree about Opop. I also believe if your posts are so poorly worded that you have to retroactively explain them than you probably aren't being very genuine ##vote RF
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Sep 11, 2017 19:10
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Somber seems pretty solid to me this game, not sure why anyone would want to vote for him
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Sep 11, 2017 19:11
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Hal Incandenza posted:Even though I don't feel great about you either, I generally agree about Opop. Cool, since this is the first you've mentioned me, please expand on why.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:12
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Somberbrero posted:probably a dumb question but is this real? No, it was a jokepost made during jokephase. I thought that was obvious. Somberbrero posted:kinda scummy. throwing shade without putting any weight behind it to see if it picks up momentum? Somberbrero posted:i'm not sure why town would make this post. are you implying that keane is trying to avoid an investigation or something? it seems like scum would be more concerned about a pgo than town. Somberbrero posted:oh so there's zero context to this vote.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:14
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King Burgundy posted:Cool, since this is the first you've mentioned me, please expand on why. Because you are a butt I just don't like your overall tone so far, you don't seem like the town KB I know and love
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Sep 11, 2017 19:22
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Hal Incandenza posted:Because you are a butt Rofl. Ok.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:23
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B-minus not taking any guff this game, riding all high on previous successes. I like it
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Sep 11, 2017 19:23
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King Burgundy posted:Rofl. Ok. See, now you are scared because you know I am on to you
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Sep 11, 2017 19:24
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Hal Incandenza posted:See, now you are scared because you know I am on to you Nope. You are wrong, but I can't actually argue with tone or gut reads. But they are fair.
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In the middle of writing up on Somber again, I came over this post again, and now it actually bothers me more than Somber:King Burgundy posted:Spreadsheet hat on. Somber described this post as "obvious and irrelevant" but I actually think it's worse than that. I'm trying to see what value this post possibly has for town, and I don't see any. If KB is town, he can't possibly know this to be true, so there's absolutely no reason to make this post. There very well could be a janitor in this game, I fail to see how a N0 flavour kill changes the odds of that. All this post does is spread potential misinformation. If he's scum though, well, it spreads potential misinformation. I really find it hard to believe that KB could be anything but scum. ##vote KB
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Sep 11, 2017 19:27
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King Burgundy posted:Nope. You are wrong, but I can't actually argue with tone or gut reads. But they are fair. Well there is still plenty of time for you to straighten out and convince me
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Sep 11, 2017 19:28
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Kasumeat posted:In the middle of writing up on Somber again, I came over this post again, and now it actually bothers me more than Somber: This... seems like a bit of a reach
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Sep 11, 2017 19:29
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Kasumeat posted:In the middle of writing up on Somber again, I came over this post again, and now it actually bothers me more than Somber: smh
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So think it through and please provide the scum motivation for me making that post. "Oh man, I can't wait to fool all these town by making sure they don't think there is a janitor in this game!" ? Keeping in mind that Janitor is one of the more obvious roles in terms of demonstrated effect on the game. Please explain my scum strategy.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:31
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Hal Incandenza posted:This... seems like a bit of a reach Please explain why town would make that post.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:31
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JFisk, YT and Slasher hawke need to post more.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:33
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Kasumeat posted:Please explain why town would make that post. It's been explained. I was roleplaying as Bif.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:33
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Kasumeat posted:Please explain why town would make that post. I mean he was role playing. It could be scummy, but I don't think scum KB is desperate to create fake content early. Mostly I take issue with "I don't see how he isn't scum"
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Sep 11, 2017 19:34
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b-minus1 posted:JFisk, YT and Slasher hawke need to post more. See, this is actually an example of a post scummier than what KB did
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Sep 11, 2017 19:35
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Hal Incandenza posted:See, this is actually an example of a post scummier than what KB did care to explain why nudging lurkers to contribute something meaningful is scummy?
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Sep 11, 2017 19:37
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King Burgundy posted:How is what I did not engaging you at face value? What is that supposed to mean? That's like the central premise of my post dude. Rather than addressing the scummy content of those posts, it's brushed off as roleplay. King Burgundy posted:I love role playing. I do it multiple times a week. But I probably haven't done it much in mafia, given the nature of the game. I'm pretty confident I've done it briefly before too, but note, I didn't even put much effort into continuing it in this game either. ... obviously I'm talking about roleplay within a mafia context. Why would your personal role play experience be relevant here? King Burgundy posted:Also claiming I pulled back only after diffusing heat seems like scum narrative to me. Because among other things, it all happened in the course of 6 minutes as I caught up and read. I note you don't include the post where I obviously realized you were just confused: That's just your narrative.
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Sep 11, 2017 19:38
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Hal Incandenza posted:See, this is actually an example of a post scummier than what KB did I didn't think so, I'm all for prodding lurkers, but looking at it more closely, one thing strikes me as odd about it: SLASHER HAWKE 20 chaoslord 19 Kasumeat 19 Hal Incandenza 19 Retro Futurist 18 Jonathan Fisk 17 Yorkshire Tea 7 So Slasher Hawke needs to post more, but Chaos/Kasu/Hal/RF are totally fine.
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b-minus1 posted:No, it was a jokepost made during jokephase. I thought that was obvious. ##vote b-minus1
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Sep 11, 2017 19:38
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King Burgundy posted:So think it through and please provide the scum motivation for me making that post. This is fair, I got excited and didn't think this through. I still don't see why town would make that post . . . King Burgundy posted:It's been explained. I was roleplaying as Bif. But I suppose that could explain it. ##unvote
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King Burgundy posted:I didn't think so, I'm all for prodding lurkers, but looking at it more closely, one thing strikes me as odd about it: go back to the op and read each of their posts. Slasher hawke has posted like 3 times in the last 2 days, and most recently "yawn". Those 20 posts don't contain much substance and he deserves to be called out for it
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Somberbrero posted:That's like the central premise of my post dude. Rather than addressing the scummy content of those posts, it's brushed off as roleplay. A) You think it is scummy because it seems fake, correct? B) I agreed it was fake, because I was roleplaying, correct? A+B = Yes, I addressed it directly. You are trying to present a false narrative. If you want to continue trying to sell this, please provide me with an example of words you would have expected from me on this that you would have found "normal". The reason I keep asking for this, is because I think this is all fake and I don't think there is anything you can provide here.
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King Burgundy posted:
also, all four of these posters have been active today. Why call them out when they're contributing now?
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b-minus1 posted:care to explain why nudging lurkers to contribute something meaningful is scummy? I personally think lurker callouts are lazy and meaningless and just a subtle way of throwing shade and trying to appear more townie Yes we all know known low-post count players JFisk and YT and slasher should post more. They know they should post more. Pointing it out is just empty content
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King Burgundy posted:A) You think it is scummy because it seems fake, correct? king this is exactly my point. when you can say 'i was roleplaying' in response to scummy content, it gives you the ability to deflect any criticism. i probably would have dropped it on my own if not for your continued insistence that you don't see the point at all here. there are serious points embedded within your roleplay but i'm not allowed to address them because it's all being painted with the same brush.
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