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Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

that scam is super bad i'm just bitching about the crisis in general man.

those people should eat poo poo too

# ? Sep 9, 2017 00:44

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# ? Apr 19, 2024 08:47

Away all Goats: Jul 5, 2005; Goose's rebellion

I can't think of anything more :capitalism:

than for-profit prisons.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 00:44

COMRADES: Apr 3, 2017; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yeah those are pretty hosed but I gotta go do some stuff on a Friday before I lose my mind, so I'll just leave you guys with this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo8Oj75l6E0

quote:

Destruction do it again.
Destruction do it again.

Strap in and watch the world decay,
The latest disaster today.

Disaster do it again.
Disaster do it again.

Disaster keep it strong.
Disaster do it again.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 00:48

Mermaid Autopsy: Jun 9, 2001

veni veni veni posted:

I had to look up what the thing in the op was and found the most insufferable Youtuber I have ever seen in my life. Like, in all my years I have never seen anything like this holy poo poo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9fznQq0Lrc

literally shaking here over how he didn't recognize Akira, Poltergeist, or the Shining

# ? Sep 9, 2017 01:03

Who What Now: Sep 10, 2006; by Azathoth

basic hitler posted:

nobody was dropping dead until pills became harder to get,

Yes, literally nobody has ever OD'ed on prescription meds before. Can't get nothing past ol Sherlock over here.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 01:49

Monos Bullet: Dec 6, 2016; Yea, and I say unto you, bringeth me a machiatto of caramel, with crickets on top.

would nerds exist in a society free of capitalism?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 01:50

Riot Bimbo: Dec 28, 2006

Who What Now posted:

Yes, literally nobody has ever OD'ed on prescription meds before. Can't get nothing past ol Sherlock over here.

of course they were, but it's harder to OD on pills with a reliable dose size under some kind of doctor observation, versus kicking addicts onto the street and going "WELP here's a pamphlet on local addiction treatment resources, gently caress off", because those people didn't quit, they ran out and found their fix in a way more dangerous way, many of those people are dead because of that. i hope you understand that was actually my point now. i'm done talking about this lol

# ? Sep 9, 2017 01:57

Ocean Book: Sep 27, 2010; - hi

The biggest failures of capitalism are -

1. The inversion of the typical subject-object relation of humans to their tools - in capitalism, the relationships between commodities determines the movements of human bodies.

2. The contradiction between the use-value and exchange-value of commodities means that we only indirectly product use-value, and the ability of the expansion of exchange-value to expand use-value seems to be declining.

2b. In capitalism you only earn when you are in the process of solving a problem, so a genuine solution (great use-value) has less exchange-value than continuous patch-work.

3. In capitalism labor is only worth money if it matches or exceeds the socially necessary labor time (SNLT), and the SNLT is always decreasing, which leads to stress and over work.

4. The alienation of the laborer from the product of their labor often makes laboring very unpleasant instead of the naturally fulfilling activity it can be.

5. 'The ability of society to do things' becomes confused with 'how much money is available to do a thing', as money appears to be necessary to completing social projects rather than the mere tool of social coordination that it is.

6. The 'workers and firms' model of capitalist economics is a perpetual motion machine and isn't coherent in a universe governed by thermodynamics.

7. A machine taking over an unpleasant task previously done by a human results in misery and deprivation rather than greater flourishing of human potential.

And probably others.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 03:08

veni veni veni: Jun 5, 2005

Mermaid Autopsy posted:

literally shaking here over how he didn't recognize Akira, Poltergeist, or the Shining

haha yeah. I didn't even mention it because of everything else about that video, but to top everything off he is pretty fuckin bad at being a nerd for someone who has made it his entire identity.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 09:25

your friend a dog: Nov 2, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Cool Hand Luke posted:

this guy has a mighty hump going on

on the left side hes talking but in the mirror his mouth is shut......

# ? Sep 9, 2017 10:51

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

Dolphin posted:

if any of my employees want to pay for my equipment leases they're more than welcome to

If you have the right kind of profits and you can collectively share the cost of operations while sharing the profits and your employees come out with higher pay in the end then yeah, in sure they'll happily co-pay for your equipment leases, plus if their labor produces more profit than their cost then guess what: they already are paying for your equipment leases :ssh:

. Collectivization of the profits also means collectivization of the costs everyone knows this.

Ape Fist fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Sep 9, 2017

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:14

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Ape Fist posted:

If you have the right kind of profits and you can collectively share the cost of operations while sharing the profits and your employees come out with higher pay in the end then yeah, in sure they'll happily co-pay for your equipment leases, plus if their labor produces more profit than their cost then guess what: they already are paying for your equipment leases . Collectivization of the profits also means collectivization of the costs everyone knows this.

how about instead of collectivizing the costs of the equipment we have a red guard unit rape your wife?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:24

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

Trauma Dog 3000 posted:

how about instead of collectivizing the costs of the equipment we have a red guard unit rape your wife?

Cool thanks for the rape threat?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:36

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Ape Fist posted:

Cool thanks for the rape threat?

the real threat is communism

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:37

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

Or your loving weird association with workers rights and the rape of my loved ones.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:39

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Ape Fist posted:

Or your loving weird association with workers rights and the rape of my loved ones.

only one of the bourgeois would deny the justice of the peoples army

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:42

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

I'm not sure this is what Marx or his contemporaries were talking about at all. I'll have to re-read some stuff. Maybe you're accidentally misrepresenting the actions of the red army with "what socialism is".

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:44

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Ape Fist posted:

I'm not sure this is what Marx or his contemporaries were talking about at all. I'll have to re-read some stuff. Maybe you're accidentally misrepresenting the actions of the red army with "what socialism is".

you're right, we should refer to one of the other implementations of communism through the ages.

oh no.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:45

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

Trauma Dog 3000 posted:

you're right, we should refer to one of the other implementations of communism through the ages.

oh no.

No one is talking about communism thought. Especially not Communism with a capital C. Why are you?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:49

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Instead, let's look at successful and equitable implementations of capitalism, such as

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:49

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

Let's name all the workers movements which haven't been destroyed or undermined by capitalists:

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:52

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Ape Fist posted:

Let's name all the workers movements which haven't been destroyed or undermined by capitalists:

I didn't know that prisoners in Nazi concentration camps were capitalists.

that explains all those things we did!

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:55

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Trauma Dog 3000 posted:

I didn't know that prisoners in Nazi concentration camps were capitalists.

that explains all those things we did!

...you do realise that communists and trade unionists were sent to the camps, specifically for being communists and trade unionists, right

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:57

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Inescapable Duck posted:

...you do realise that communists and trade unionists were sent to the camps, specifically for being communists and trade unionists, right

do you know what the soviet military did to the women they "rescued" from the camps?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 11:59

Ape Fist: Feb 23, 2007; Nowadays, you can do anything that you want; anal, oral, fisting, but you need to be wearing gloves, condoms, protection.

Trauma Dog 3000 posted:

I didn't know that prisoners in Nazi concentration camps were capitalists.

that explains all those things we did!

Lmao what

You make the shittiest false-comparisons.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:00

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Ape Fist posted:

Lmao what

You make the shittiest false-comparisons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany#Soviet_troops

quote:

According to Natalya Gesse, Soviet soldiers raped German females from eight to eighty years old. Soviet women were not spared either.[17][18][19] When General Tsygankov, head of the political department of the First Ukrainian Front, reported to Moscow the mass rape of Soviet women deported to East Germany for forced labour, he recommended that the Soviet women be prevented from describing their ordeal on their return to Russia.[20]

When Yugoslav politician Milovan Djilas complained about rapes in Yugoslavia, Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle."[21] On another occasion, when told that Red Army soldiers sexually maltreated German refugees, he reportedly said: "We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative."[22]

Red Army troops raped even Russian women as they freed them from camps

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:04

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

So what do you support, Trauma Dog 3000, rather than those nasty raping communists? What is the objectively superior society that doesn't commit or condone war crimes, rapes or slavery?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:22

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

Inescapable Duck posted:

So what do you support, Trauma Dog 3000, rather than those nasty raping communists? What is the objectively superior society that doesn't commit or condone war crimes, rapes or slavery?

modern socialist-capitalism. exactly what we (not you) have now.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:25

your friend a dog: Nov 2, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

all of you have that stupid loving avatar so it looks like some schizophrenic is having an argument with himself about retard poo poo

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:54

Trauma Dog 3000: Aug 30, 2017; by SA Support Robot

your friend a dog posted:

all of you have that stupid loving avatar so it looks like some schizophrenic is having an argument with himself about retard poo poo

whats that? you think if I kill the president it will impress Jodie Foster?

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:57

Commie NedFlanders: Mar 8, 2014

Pick posted:

why do you even bother clicking on and creating activity in a thread you don't like. literally are you stupid as poo poo.

I agree with this post forever

Sorry op about your thread

# ? Sep 9, 2017 12:59

Commie NedFlanders: Mar 8, 2014

# ? Sep 9, 2017 13:09

COMRADES: Apr 3, 2017; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

# ? Sep 9, 2017 18:57

spasticColon: Sep 22, 2004; In loving memory of Donald Pleasance

COMRADES posted:

lol

do you have the evidence to back that up?

seriously communism is a mental illness based on envy and wrath

# ? Sep 9, 2017 19:07

COMRADES: Apr 3, 2017; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

spasticColon posted:

lol

do you have the evidence to back that up?

seriously communism is a mental illness based on envy and wrath

The citations are right there in the image :wtc:

Also that doesn't count the millions of people killed in genocides and things like famine when Britain forced people in Asia to export their food instead of eating it.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 19:11

spasticColon: Sep 22, 2004; In loving memory of Donald Pleasance

COMRADES posted:

The citations are right there in the image

Also that doesn't count the millions of people killed in genocides and things like famine when Britain forced people in Asia to export their food instead of eating it.

I'm pretty sure Britain forcing people to export their food isn't capitalism. And your rap sheet being squeaky clean makes me suspicious.

# ? Sep 9, 2017 19:14