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FELD1
Nov 4, 2009


I'm still chuckling at Randy's mention of a show called "Little People Renovating Big Houses" during the courthouse scene. I would legit watch the hell out of that if HGTV made happen.

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turboraton
Aug 27, 2011


S20 and S19 were amazing, even if you don't like it lmao at you hating on it at every single page of the thread.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007

Let me sing you a song


Taco Defender


This person thought matt and trey thought trump wouldn't win the election. Thats a pretty big leap.

Medullah
Aug 13, 2003
Fear my Shark Rocket

I personally think the episode was worth it just for "coal mining and truck driving are not modern jobs!" line. But I'm partial to that because it's a contention point in my family where my dad is super psyched that Trump is working to bring back coal mining.

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003



Tenzarin posted:

This person thought matt and trey thought trump wouldn't win the election. Thats a pretty big leap.

Nah, I think it seems clear they were expecting a Hillary win. It's why they set up the Gentleman's Club with Bill Clinton, then had to hastily rewrite the purpose of it and then drop it after the election.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007

Let me sing you a song


Taco Defender

Codependent Poster posted:

Nah, I think it seems clear they were expecting a Hillary win. It's why they set up the Gentleman's Club with Bill Clinton, then had to hastily rewrite the purpose of it and then drop it after the election.

Pretty sure they made garrison into Trump, and were planning for something else. They planned for both. Just like the obama election episode.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016


turboraton posted:

S20 and S19 were amazing, even if you don't like it lmao at you hating on it at every single page of the thread.

I liked Season 20, but not as much as I liked Season 19, and I liked Season 18 better than either of them. Aside from that, I don't have any real opinions about what seasons are better than what other seasons - except that I don't get the hate for the earliest seasons. I got into the show by bingewatching the entire thing between seasons 15 and 16. I loved the whole show, but the earliest seasons gave me a surreal feeling; the later seasons were more polished and better-done, but things had kind of settled into a status quo. New episodes don't feel dangerous anymore, you know? They haven't for most of the show's run. The first few seasons, each new episode feels like diving into an alien world where anything can happen. But eventually, each new episode feels like eating another candy from a box you're already very familiar with. Ironically, I think that abandoning the "Kenny dies every episode" thing actually made the show feel more formulaic - if a character needs to die every episode, then the writers are doing a constrained writing exercise where whatever the plot of the episode is, they need to work in a cause of death; this may sound like a formula, because it is, but it forces an anarchic, pseudo-horror feel - I don't think most people ever took things like Kenny dying seriously, but the early South Park seasons really felt like horror to me, and I loved that and it hasn't been as present lately.

Now, to be clear, I'm not one of the people who thinks South Park should have ended a long time ago - there've been a load of good episodes in recent seasons; gently caress, Grounded Vindaloop is a serious contender for my all-time favorite SP. I even think serialization is a good idea; I just think it mixes poorly with centering serious social commentary. I do think South Park has lost something magic it had a long time ago, but that's probably inevitable for such a long-running show, and it definitely still has a good soul. I don't think decline is inevitable; indeed, I think it could get even better in the future!

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

Tenzarin posted:

This person thought matt and trey thought trump wouldn't win the election. Thats a pretty big leap.

Look up any interview they've done in the past 6 months. They absolutely planned the season around Hillary winning and got thrown off when she didn't.

Minidust
Nov 4, 2009

Hello chiicagooo!

Oh, wait, is that a GameStop employee in the back? Hey, you, give me a refund. No, I don't care if it was my fault, just - look, am I the one with the microphone or not? REFUND, biyotch!

I remember hearing Chocolate Salty Balls on NY's K-rock radio and seeing the music video for Kenny's Dead late night on a UHF channel

sweetmercifulcrap
Jan 28, 2012


Sir Lemming posted:

Look up any interview they've done in the past 6 months. They absolutely planned the season around Hillary winning and got thrown off when she didn't.

Yeah. It's the reason they had to make Garrison do a 180 from not wanting to be president to mostly being on board with it. In the end though I don't think the season would have been much better either way, as Garrison and the election were only like 1/4th of it. They ended up going all in on trolling, which was the least interesting plotline.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

sweetmercifulcrap posted:

Yeah. It's the reason they had to make Garrison do a 180 from not wanting to be president to mostly being on board with it.

I suspect they may have even done another, less drastic course correction regarding that subplot. It seemed like early on they (like others) were convinced Trump was trying to throw the election. Then later on they had to admit he probably wasn't. Or maybe that was just their own twist on the storyline regardless, I dunno. But it did seem kind of awkward how that aspect of the story fizzled out, and never made a huge amount of sense. And it just got even worse when the election result was also the opposite of what they expected. I think they just ended up predicting a bunch of things wrong about Trump and felt like the satire wouldn't be relevant enough unless they kept course-correcting. Easy to see how that could get exhausting.

If they were still doing Trump-of-the-week episodes, perhaps the season premiere would've been about GarriTrump rescinding protections for children of immigrants and withdrawing from the Paris climate accords. Surely those things would stay relevant for a week at least!

Sir Lemming fucked around with this message at Sep 17, 2017 around 02:15

WillieWestwood
Jun 23, 2004

Happy Thanksgiving!


Tenzarin posted:

This person thought matt and trey thought trump wouldn't win the election. Thats a pretty big leap.

Hardly. Matt and Trey did admit they were counting on Hillary to win. They were following Las Vegas odds, which had Hillary winning, and most polls had her winning as well. She seemed like a sure bet, but no one saw the backlash that carried Trump into office.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014



The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

-Bertrand Russell

Has the lovely Member Berries plotline been discarded as of this season?

basic hitler
Dec 28, 2006

IF YOU SEE ME BITCHING ABOUT BEING POOR ITS PROBABLY BECAUSE IM OUT OF HEROIN AGAIN


The US hasn't seen a true populist candidate in a long time, jimmy carter maybe in living memory. Nobody remembers that they clean house every time they rise to prominence. Not surprising matt and trey bet on the obvious thing.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know


Grouchio posted:

Has the lovely Member Berries plotline been discarded as of this season?

Yes, they said Memberberries are done, but did like some of the things from last season they wanted to continue to explore, specifically listing Cartman having a girlfriend as one of them.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016


swickles posted:

Yes, they said Memberberries are done, but did like some of the things from last season they wanted to continue to explore, specifically listing Cartman having a girlfriend as one of them.

Interesting that they did away with that in the first episode, then, unless it's going to be an on-again off-again thing.

vermin
Feb 28, 2017

Help, I've turned into a manifestation of mental disorders as viewed through an early 20th century lens sparked by the disparity between man and modern society and I can't get up

21 Muns posted:

Interesting that they did away with that in the first episode, then, unless it's going to be an on-again off-again thing.

I hope they come back like the Crab People

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!

vermin posted:

I hope they come back like the Crab People

She has cooties, not crabs.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.

This week, we've got Tweek and Craig, and North Korea!

South Park Studios posted:

AN ALL-NEW EPISODE OF SOUTH PARK PREMIERES
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 20 AT 10:00 P.M. ET/PT ON COMEDY CENTRAL


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All-New Season 21 Episodes will be Available to Stream in HD
Exclusively on SouthPark.cc.com and Hulu
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NEW YORK, September 18, 2017 – North Korea takes aim at South Park in an all-new episode titled “PUT IT DOWN” on Wednesday, September 20 at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT on Comedy Central.

When Tweek is caught in the middle of a petty conflict, it drives his relationship with Craig to the brink.

All-new episodes from this season will be available to stream in HD exclusively on South Park Studios and Hulu the day after they premiere. Fans will continue to have next-day access to new episodes, as well as the entire “South Park” library, across all internet-connected devices with a Hulu subscription. New episodes and a selection of curated episodes will be available to stream on SouthPark.cc.com, cc.com and the Comedy Central App.

Comedy Central's "South Park" launched on August 13, 1997. The series airs Wednesday nights at 10:00 p.m. and repeats later that night at Midnight (all times ET/PT). “South Park” season 20 will begin rolling out on Comedy Central channels internationally in October.

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SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

A Little Known FACT: Burger King's Bacon King is superior to the Baconator.


I do appreciate that they are keeping the Tweak and Craig relationship going.

Also, Tweak is probably a good choice for someone to freak out over Korea.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014



The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

-Bertrand Russell

SLICK GOKU BABY posted:

Also, Tweak is probably a good choice for someone to freak out over Korea.

tote up a bags
Jun 8, 2006

die stoats die


If they switch up the weighting so it's characters first, social issue second and not the other way round (like it was with the pilot) this sounds like a killer ep

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

Carthago delenda est

I don't mind the political episodes per se but I didn't like season 20 where that was all they did. I liked the good old days when sometimes they did wacky crazy bullshit and sometimes they did politics. My favorite episode is Casa Bonita because of how happy Cartman is to go to Casa Bonita.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

Do you have a moment to talk about the Way?


Tweak x Craig is tied with Butter's Bottom Bitch and Eric vs Scott Tenorman as my most watched episodes so I am loving stoked for this week.

The use of music in Tweak x Craig is like award winning musical scoring.

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

...as much revenge as any man could possibly take.


Last couple years I've been more or less avoiding this thread because it's usually been more negative than positive, but this episode was pretty bad. It was all over the place, and feature a bunch of jokes that weren't quite enough to build anything decent around as well as them breaking up Heidi and Cartman.

I think in the wake of the Trump election, almost one year later people were really expecting South Park to come in with some really good humor regarding the issues that are going on and instead we got a reality tv show joke, a 'robots took my job'(terk mah jerb) rehash of an old joke with nothing new to say, and a plot where a character is in a relationship that they no longer want to be in...which you could insert your own joke about the creators into here.

I'm hoping this week is a better offering. That was not a strong season opener.

Inescapable Duck
Mar 2, 2017


Ein cooler Typ posted:

I don't mind the political episodes per se but I didn't like season 20 where that was all they did. I liked the good old days when sometimes they did wacky crazy bullshit and sometimes they did politics. My favorite episode is Casa Bonita because of how happy Cartman is to go to Casa Bonita.

The fun part is that apparently Casa Bonita exists and is exactly like it is portrayed in the show. Divers and all.

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

A Little Known FACT: Burger King's Bacon King is superior to the Baconator.


PaybackJack posted:

Last couple years I've been more or less avoiding this thread because it's usually been more negative than positive, but this episode was pretty bad. It was all over the place, and feature a bunch of jokes that weren't quite enough to build anything decent around as well as them breaking up Heidi and Cartman.

I think in the wake of the Trump election, almost one year later people were really expecting South Park to come in with some really good humor regarding the issues that are going on and instead we got a reality tv show joke, a 'robots took my job'(terk mah jerb) rehash of an old joke with nothing new to say, and a plot where a character is in a relationship that they no longer want to be in...which you could insert your own joke about the creators into here.

I'm hoping this week is a better offering. That was not a strong season opener.

As far as season openers go, the truth is it was somewhere in the middle. Season openers are rarely the best episodes of South Park.

Also, there were a lot of decent jokes and gags, even if the episode had a lovely plot and didn't really go anywhere.

I do find it funny that they hosed with a bunch of peoples Amazon Alexas with the episode as well.

Scooter_McCabe
May 31, 2011
This space lovingly dedicated to Sean Leonard, 19, Andrew Monroe, 19, sister Jessica Leonard, 14, and her friend Kelly Janis, 15.

Anima eius et animae omnium fidelium defunctorum per Dei misericordiam requiescant in pace.


Anyone around, or did last weeks episode push everyone away.

swickles
Aug 21, 2006

I guess that I don't need that though
Now you're just some QB that I used to know


Tweak's song was a little too real.

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



Scooter_McCabe posted:

Anyone around, or did last weeks episode push everyone away.

I'm here. I love you.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Again, Torts took him to a very high mountain and showed him Nationwide and all its splendor.

"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will lay down and block for me." -Jackets 15:16



WHY ARE YOU JUST SITTING THERE? WE'RE ALL GONNA DIIIEEEE!

"The wheels on the bus...go 'round and 'round..."

...oh come on, they're gonna carry Tweek and Craig's fake relationship over?

Dr. Gitmo Moneyson
Jun 26, 2005

Feels good man.



Oh Eric

Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003



This is a lot better than last week already.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.

CBJSprague24 posted:

...oh come on, they're gonna carry Tweek and Craig's fake relationship over?
I think it's very questionable as to whether it's fake.

The Human Crouton
Sep 20, 2002



If this episode is just going to be Trump tweets antagonizing everybody, I'll be happy.

Scooter_McCabe
May 31, 2011
This space lovingly dedicated to Sean Leonard, 19, Andrew Monroe, 19, sister Jessica Leonard, 14, and her friend Kelly Janis, 15.

Anima eius et animae omnium fidelium defunctorum per Dei misericordiam requiescant in pace.


The gently caress is this poo poo.

Dr. Gitmo Moneyson
Jun 26, 2005

Feels good man.



what the gently caress is this

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012



If this is making fun of Chester Bennington then it feels a little too soon.

timp
Sep 18, 2007

Everything is in my control


Lipstick Apathy

I liked that anti-suicide song, it was catchy

Eric...wedon'twantyouto diiiieee....

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CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

Again, Torts took him to a very high mountain and showed him Nationwide and all its splendor.

"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will lay down and block for me." -Jackets 15:16



"But Eric, we don't want you to die. But Eric, give life a try."

Also, the Trump Tweets and Tweek's Fidget Spinner.

Small White Dragon posted:

I think it's very questionable as to whether it's fake.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but I seem to remember them staging the fake breakup to get out of it, but then going along with it in the end for the betterment of the town when they saw how bummed people were they broke up even though neither of them were gay.

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