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Irony.or.Death posted:Actual moviegoers don't provide ratings to media aggregators so that seems highly suspect Sure they do, that's why Cinemascore is a successful, trusted thing in the industry. The articles I've read on it tend to mention that a bit more than half of the cards given out randomly during opening-week movies come back, and are a solid indicator of what people actually think about the movie in question. Folks think basically the same of mother! as they do of a Lohan movie, so it tracks. I wonder if the blowback mother! is getting will influence how much leeway studios will let supposed auteurs have. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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So my theater had five walkouts in 3rd act including a couple
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Sep 16, 2017 21:01
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The more walkouts the better. I'm sure Star Wars is showing somewhere for these unwashed masses.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:04
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One thing stood out to me was it had by far the best use of surround sound I have seen in a movie theater. The 3rd act made me feel super claustrophobic with surround sound in a good way
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Sep 16, 2017 21:09
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MisterBibs posted:Sure they do, that's why Cinemascore is a successful, trusted thing in the industry. The articles I've read on it tend to mention that a bit more than half of the cards given out randomly during opening-week movies come back, and are a solid indicator of what people actually think about the movie in question. Folks think basically the same of mother! as they do of a Lohan movie, so it tracks.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:09
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god covering Adams wound where a missing rib would be and his wife appearing the next day just came back to me while I was sitting here. I need to see this movie again
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Sep 16, 2017 21:10
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Was the tentacle toilet monster the introduction of sin?
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Sep 16, 2017 21:12
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If it was after Bardem sealing up eden after they touched the forbidden fruit then you may be on to something
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The religious imagery is so on the nose once you start watching it's hard to imagine anyone not catching on before Cain and Abel. Once you do it's fun to piece it all together. I didn't even think to pay attention to how many days had passed as another potential reference before act 3.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Was the tentacle toilet monster the introduction of sin? nah, the introduction of sin was Michelle Pfeiffer breaking the crystal (if I'm remembering my bible stories right, original sin was the eating of the forbidden fruit, right?). I've read that interpreted as turning blood to water, as most of the 10 plagues show up in the first half (frogs, boils via burnt hand, the fly, etc.). The one symbol Aronofsky seems to kind of dodge explaining is the yellow drink, and none of the bible links people have brought up sound reasonable to me. I'm thinking it's mcguffin-ade and maybe a throwback to Rosemary's Baby?
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warez posted:nah, the introduction of sin was Michelle Pfeiffer breaking the crystal (if I'm remembering my bible stories right, original sin was the eating of the forbidden fruit, right?). I've read that interpreted as turning blood to water. Oh that makes more sense regarding sin
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Rageaholic Monkey posted:lmao, a Darren Aronofsky movie and a lovely forgotten Lindsay Lohan movie from a decade ago don’t even belong in the same conversation. How can you possibly compare the two? Both got F Cinemascores. I could've used 2008's Disaster Movie, or the Solaris remake, or any of the very few movies that fail so badly that they get F Cinemascores. To compare, Movie 43 scored an entire grade letter higher than mother!. Rageaholic Monkey posted:I follow multiple film news sites on a daily basis and have for years and I don’t think I’ve ever once heard anyone in the industry mention this thing, let alone use it as a measure of success. If you haven't heard of Cinemascore, or why the industry pays attention to it, clearly you're not paying enough attention to the right sources. It's not some obscure thing. E: vvv I think the rarity of such an extreme reaction to this movie is entirely relevant. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Sep 16, 2017 |
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Sep 16, 2017 21:20
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Who gives a gently caress? Shut up about a website nobody gives a poo poo about and maybe talk about the movie this thread is about.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:21
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Liquid Drink posted:Who gives a gently caress? Shut up about a website nobody gives a poo poo about and maybe talk about the movie this thread is about. btw the website is lovely and no one cares about it heh bye"
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Sep 16, 2017 21:45
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Liquid Drink posted:This movie is a masterpiece and the best movie of the year. get out was better.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:45
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Get Out was alright but I'll be thinking about Mother! way longer than I'll be thinking about Get Out.
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Sep 16, 2017 21:56
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that's not a measure of which film is better.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:00
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CinemaScore is not a measure of the film's quality but a measure of the audience's reaction to seeing the film. It's mainly used to help judge how successful a film will be and if it has legs at the box office. No need to get all defensive about the score. Since this movie is not what most Jennifer Lawrence fans are used to, and she was pushed heavily in advertising... when you combine that with the legitimately disturbing scenes and themes, it's easy to see why the audience it drew hated it. Again, that isn't a reflection on the film's quality.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:08
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isn't darren twice jenny's age.
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Groovelord Neato posted:isn't darren twice jenny's age. He's about the same age as Javier Bardem.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:27
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Groovelord Neato posted:get out was better. Get Out was a popcorn flick, and forgettable. It's also insane to comapre Arnofsky to uhhhh Peele, or Key, or whoever lol.
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Groovelord Neato posted:isn't darren twice jenny's age. She likes em older.
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Liquid Drink posted:Get Out was a popcorn flick, and forgettable. It's also insane to comapre Arnofsky to uhhhh Peele, or Key, or whoever lol. you're right. peele is much better.
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Sep 16, 2017 22:57
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I literally cannot think of a worse way to promote this film than the trailer that was shown before IT.
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yeah i thought it was a remake of rosemary's baby based on that.
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Sep 16, 2017 23:23
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This movie ruled. I could not describe to someone who hadn't seen it, nor would I see it again, but I would recommend the hell out of it to anyone who is curious. Marketing it as a horror movie is weird as hell, but this movie is an experience.
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I mean, in ways it is a horror movie. Not knowing what the hell was going on for a while and feeling anxious because Jennifer Lawrence was anxious from having to deal with all this weird uncomfortable poo poo made my skin crawl. And then the loving baby cannibalism scene at the end was more horrific than what's been in at least 90% of all recent horror movies.
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I'll probably expand on my thoughts on this later when my breath isn't completely gone, but suffice to say this was my favorite film of the year, easily one of my favorites of all time, and that entire last half hour was worth the price alone. I'll never understand how this got a major release, but I'm glad it did
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Codependent Poster posted:CinemaScore is not a measure of the film's quality but a measure of the audience's reaction to seeing the film. It's mainly used to help judge how successful a film will be and if it has legs at the box office. No need to get all defensive about the score. To expand on this, a very low Cinescore is extremely rare, because it's an aggregate of ratings from people who have chosen to go to the movie. In general, people roughly know what they're getting into, and not coincidentally the rare movies that get an F are those that have been deceptively marketed, or at least marketed in a way that doesn't clue people in to what it's going to be. In that light, it makes a lot of sense as a lot of people ITT mentioned the marketing not giving much indication of what they were in for.
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Having digested the movie for about 48 hours, I'm leaning more and more towards "gently caress this movie". Aranofsky "self-critiques" while also portraying himself as God. I mean, good on you for making a well-crafted movie that makes me think and acutally feel something, but also gently caress off. Like Him or not, God created the universe- all you have to show for yourself is The Wrestler.
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Sep 17, 2017 00:21
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He's the guy that allowed me and my friends to get D level celebrities like Kevin Nash and the VO for Duke Nukem to say "rear end to rear end"
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Malcolm Excellent posted:He's the guy that allowed me and my friends to get D level celebrities like Kevin Nash and the VO for Duke Nukem to say "rear end to rear end" I guess he also had an impact on the 2005 Minnesota Vikings.
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Reading this makes me love the movie more. Conservative religious republican website. National Review: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/451338/jennifer-lawrence-mother-sickest-movie-ever-made-disgusting-torture-porn quote:Ordinarily when a filmmaker goes trampling all over your senses with an eye toward maximizing disgust, it’s for the purpose of producing some cheap scares. In Mother, though, the aim is a macabre pastiche of people’s most cherished and deeply held beliefs. Deliberately grotesque and nauseating, and seemingly engineered to outrage Christians, especially Catholics, Motherrepresents a stain on the reputation of Paramount Pictures, which once produced Going My Way. It may be the most vile and contemptible motion picture ever released by one of the major Hollywood studios.
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General Dog posted:Having digested the movie for about 48 hours, I'm leaning more and more towards "gently caress this movie". Aranofsky "self-critiques" while also portraying himself as God. I mean, good on you for making a well-crafted movie that makes me think and acutally feel something, but also gently caress off. Like Him or not, God created the universe- all you have to show for yourself is The Wrestler. Personally I'd be pretty embarrassed to have my name attached to the universe.
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Irony.or.Death posted:Personally I'd be pretty embarrassed to have my name attached to the universe. In the beginning, Alan Smithee created the Heavens and the Earth.
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General Dog posted:To expand on this, a very low Cinescore is extremely rare, because it's an aggregate of ratings from people who have chosen to go to the movie. In general, people roughly know what they're getting into, and not coincidentally the rare movies that get an F are those that have been deceptively marketed, or at least marketed in a way that doesn't clue people in to what it's going to be. In that light, it makes a lot of sense as a lot of people ITT mentioned the marketing not giving much indication of what they were in for. I think blaming the advertising for this is secondary at best, disingenuous at worst. Sure the marketing was esoteric to say the least, but the movie's content alone provides ample reason for a historically low score. People didn't know what they were in for, sure, but I think most of the reaction overall is entirely about the nonsensical/incomprehensible nature of the film.
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MisterBibs posted:I think blaming the advertising for this is secondary at best, disingenuous at worst. Sure the marketing was esoteric to say the least, but the movie's content alone provides ample reason for a historically low score. I don't know if this means we agree or disagree, but I'd wager most people understood the allegory, they just rejected it.
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One thing I loved about this was the use of close-ups for almost the entire movie. You get probably two scenes that aren't from mother's perspective, and for a lot of the movie the camera is tight on her face or over her shoulder or she is taking up a good portion of the shot. It feels very claustrophobic. You could count the number of wide shots on one hand and medium shots are used mostly in the beginning and placid middle portion of the movie. The house itself is a fantastic space, and the weird construction leads to more confusion and tension. Like when Pfeiffer's woman is circling mother, she is obscured multiple times by walls and doorways but never disappears for more than a moment, which sets up this weird geometry that really comes into play in the third act. Also, I liked how Him smashes oldest son's head into a glass display, giving him a mark.
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